Man-Made Global Warming - The Hoax Exposed

[threegee]

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no 'statistically significant' warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend. And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been even warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is evidence of high temperatures in northern countries, was far from settled.

Someone needs to point this out to the Great Thought Lords at the Beeb. Their excuse for stifling all debate is that it has been settled! Maybe there's another IPCC we haven't been told about?

Thought: If there was an IPSC (International Panel for Santa Claus), would it have proving Santa Claus was a fiction on its agenda?

[Malcolm Robinson]

I take it you too think an organisation using climate change to underpin their economic strategy for the next 5 years is about to waste and cost a lot of money it can ill afford!

[threegee]

I take it you too think an organisation using climate change to underpin their economic strategy for the next 5 years is about to waste and cost a lot of money it can ill afford!

Now which organisation would that be?

The whole mass hysteria seems to be predicated on the "hockey stick" thing. Would that it is warming up a bit on a permanent basis. Lives will be saved; more food will be grown; less fossil fuels used for heating; etc. etc. Where is the downside to a bit of warming?

You can only create a doom and disaster scenario if there's a sudden non-linear take off. So of course you have to invent a computer model which predicts just this. All the records show that no such rapid change has ever taken place in the entire 4 billion year history of the Earth, and that there's a natural mechanism built in to limit the Earth's temperature to just under 25c. And that's despite all the cataclysms the Universe has thrown at it. Granted, 25c is a fair bit warmer than today, but what a gloriously fertile and productive Earth that would be. Lots of extra CO2 would be consumed by the plant life too (self-regulation again). Exactly the conditions that led to mammals and the human race in the first place! In other words if it hadn't been for a warmer Earth we wouldn't be here today.

But the tree-huggers need another lever. We are told that the people in the Sahara are going to be fried in order to fuel our greed. But hang on, the Sahara has only been there for a couple of thousand years! Was the encroachment of the desert into formerly very fertile land due to the internal combustion engine and industrialisation? The point is that if such a thing were ever to happen as the "hockey stick effect" the ludicrous (and totally unfordable) sums proposed for carbon capture would feed, clothe, house, and air-condition just about any afflicted area of the earth many times over. And, we'd then be spending money at a point of real need, not throwing it at something which will in all common sense never happen.

When people on our Earth are still starving it's totally immoral to be proposing such hair brained schemes as carbon capture, and to promote the silliness of carbon trading. Where's the money for irrigation which would really help these starving peoples? That irrigation BTW would be massively carbon negative, and there's a case that it would be more than economically neutral. What are we going to do with the carbon we capture? Oh yes, bury it underground! Could it be that there's no reason to fund such an obvious, compassionate and moral thing as ensuring the starving people of the world can grow their own food on a decent scale, because it doesn't suit anyone's hidden agenda?

What's at the root of all this is an alliance of convenience between the green lobby, a small group of bent "scientists" out for their jollies, and sound-bite politicians. Journalists and teachers do have more than their fair share of the agin-any-sort-of-progress mob, so the hoodwinking and indoctrination can continue.

You and I both know that none of this crap would have got past our forefathers. They may not have had the level of education of people today, but they did have good old horse-sense.

[Monsta®]

thats the best story i've heard in ages!

Lots of extra CO2 would be consumed by the plant life too

would this be the plant life that is failing to grow because enviromental changes and the reduction of insect life? such as the decline in bee colonies because of the use of pesticides! plus most the trees have gone because man chopped them down.

forefathers! they thought the earth was flat!

[mercuryg]

thats the best story i've heard in ages!

would this be the plant life that is failing to grow because enviromental changes and the reduction of insect life? such as the decline in bee colonies because of the use of pesticides! plus most the trees have gone because man chopped them down.

forefathers! they thought the earth was flat!

Monsta, of course plant life - and animal life - thrives, and then fails to, in response to climactic changes - it always has; that it happens is by no means concrete proof - or anywhere near it - that man is primarily responsible for changes in the climate. As for the bees there is absolute confusion as to why they are suffering at the moment, and pesticides are just one idea to be put forward. And yes, we have been responsible for massive deforestation - that is something nobody can possibly deny. Again, however, this does not point to man being responsible in the main for change in the climate.

You'll note that even the IPCC has been forced to admit that the world has NOT been warming over the past ten to fifteen years; their argument is - and will be - that ten to fifteen years is a drop in the ocean, a pinprick in time. They're right, just as basing calculations of doom on an 'average world temperature' was always, and still is, a major mistake that can only lead to problems such as those we are seeing now with interpretation of data. The average temperature across the globe differs so much from place to place - for many a reason - that to take an average results in no indication of the actual state of things - it can't, as the temperature in Siberia skews the figures just as much as that in the heat of the Kalahari!

Of course we have been influential on the gases existing in our atmosphere - we're here, we are going to be - but to cite CO2, man made CO2, as the biggest problem facing the world is to tread on very dodgy ground indeed, as we are already seeing.

The fact is that the earth is not warming, it has suffered prolonged warm periods in the past when we were'nt even around to be accused of causing it, and it will go on fluctuating for ever more. The Global Warming lobby is a money wasting farce that has little bearing in fact.

[threegee]

would this be the plant life that is failing to grow because enviromental changes and the reduction of insect life? such as the decline in bee colonies because of the use of pesticides! plus most the trees have gone because man chopped them down.

forefathers! they thought the earth was flat!

No, it would be the plant life that would grow in arid regions when we spend just a tiny fraction of what is being proposed on carbon capture on irrigation to grow plant crops to feed starving people. Read the whole thing!

There's a job for you with the IPCC, picking what suits you, quoting it out of context, and completely ignoring the rest!

"most the trees have gone because man chopped them down" - now there's a scientific fact! Who's allotment would this be on? Been to Kielder recently?

The problem with bees is a mystery, there's nothing to connect it with pesticides, and some beekeepers report no problem. Not that trees or bees have anything to do with the subject of this thread. But ask yourself how, if we can't discover what is going on right now with bees flying under our noses, we can predict the climate decades in advance with enough confidence to spend countless billions of pounds on carbon capture in an attempt to change it. The fact is that last night's weather forecast for today has been drastically revised, and they are still pretending that they can predict it five days in advance!

But hey, that is weather, and we are talking climate. With climate 15 years is just a statistical blip - except when it's a 15 years the IPCC says is climate and not weather. If this year is particularly warm, this will absolutely prove m.m. global warming. One in sixteen should be good enough for anyone. If it's cool then it will be a small part of an ongoing statistical blip. If the statistical blip extends another 15 years we'll declare a draw - insufficient data - further research needed - you didn't properly fund the research, and retire on our inflated pensions. Win win for the IPCC and it's ever increasing budget. But, no more megabucks for researching the ozone layer; no more "hole in the ozone layer" - get the connection? No, you're too young.

[Monsta®]

"most the trees have gone because man chopped them down" - now there's a scientific fact! Who's allotment would this be on? Been to Kielder recently?

been to the whats left of the amazon rain forest or the whats left of the rain forests in bourneo! kielder just dont compare!

or for the fact the diminishing size of the algae sea plooms where 75% of the worlds oxygen comes from!

kielder!

[threegee]

The Monsta Mail: "most the trees have gone because man chopped them down"

The Times: http://www.timesonli...ticle637004.ece

Discover how many trees there are in the World here: http://wiki.answers....re_in_the_world

[Monsta®]

The Monsta Mail: "most the trees have gone because man chopped them down"

The Times: http://www.timesonli...ticle637004.ece

Discover how many trees there are in the World here: http://wiki.answers....re_in_the_world

the times! bunch of muppets!

the real truth not some scum newpaper!

and yes there are lots of trees sadly only lots not lots and lots!

try the quiz!

[Malcolm Robinson]

Thanks for the link monsta, interesting reading about the green Sahara and its people.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Watch out........................

[Symptoms]

Stop it now! I keep opening these posts only to see Monsta appear; my pulse rushes to find my old sparring-partner is back, then CRASH, it's an old post. He's here no longer; grief, sob, sniffle. I say Monsta return!!!!

[Brian Cross]

Stop it now! I keep opening these posts only to see Monsta appear; my pulse rushes to find my old sparring-partner is back, then CRASH, it's an old post. He's here no longer; grief, sob, sniffle. I say Monsta return!!!!

I am with you on this one Symptoms bring back the old Monsta.