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Dave

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I've got a feeling its a going to be a short lived romance. I may be wrong, but i cannot see it. How long does everyone feel this "pact" will last?

Monsta®

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I've got a feeling its a going to be a short lived romance. I may be wrong, but i cannot see it. How long does everyone feel this "pact" will last?

five years! :lol:

threegee

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I agree with Nick - oops I mean Monsta! laugh.gif

The Two Cleggies could probably change places and no one would notice - and they probably will! They're both out of the same mold, and not Nu Labour greaseballs or Lavery/Scargill type anarchists. Can they carry their parties at all times is the only unknown. As it's the only show in town at the moment, then they probably can.

Dave

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Well, we will see

Also it seems to give fuel to the remark..... " it doesnt matter who you vote for. They're all the same " seems to be proved.

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Malcolm Robinson

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It is certainly an interesting philosophical quandary if nothing else. Who do you vote for in local elections and by elections? Should the Lib Dems and the Tories now field just one candidate as they have clearly shown their 'agreement' on a national manifesto? If they don't and by some strange chance of fate the Tories win every by election from now on and eventually hold a majority position in parliament will they throw their coalition aside? Will the more radical Tories now redouble their efforts in this matter to get rid of their Lib Dem partners?

I think this whole issue has shown that we could get rid of the party system and instead elect people who we felt were capable of actually doing the job!

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Malcolm Robinson

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You mean like Cuba, Libya etc :(

What those shining examples of a national democratic process? They are probably more realistically described as despots irrespective of their origins!

No I would be talking about a hustings meeting where you could ask candidates for their views on subjects of concern nationally. I wouldn't want to hear and listen to party dogma and drivel by way of explanations. We have just seen exactly how much water that holds when power and influence is concerned, they cannot throw it away fast enough!

I would be talking about MP's actually liaising with their respective constituents on a frequent basis so they knew the public mood and so could vote accordingly, they are after all only there to represent us. We seem to have lost that 'control', if we ever had it!

The present system has just confined Wansbeck to the wilderness for another 5 years.

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Dave

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What those shining examples of a national democratic process? They are probably more realistically described as despots irrespective of their origins!

No I would be talking about a hustings meeting where you could ask candidates for their views on subjects of concern nationally. I wouldn't want to hear and listen to party dogma and drivel by way of explanations. We have just seen exactly how much water that holds when power and influence is concerned, they cannot throw it away fast enough!

I would be talking about MP's actually liaising with their respective constituents on a frequent basis so they knew the public mood and so could vote accordingly, they are after all only there to represent us. We seem to have lost that 'control', if we ever had it!

The present system has just confined Wansbeck to the wilderness for another 5 years.

Well the ones that do meet with they voters may get a knife in the guts. Well in certain London areas that is. Thats probably an aberration I hope. Anyway yes it would be good if your local MP wasnt just a puppet for their party. Just there to make up the numbers. I mean it should be a part time job for 5 years max. Most take second jobs. So it cannot be that taxing. And wouldnt be if your mind was made up for you by your party and all you had to do was rock up and toe the party line on every vote. Most MP's stick with the status quo in my eyes, Labours very guilty of it up in this neck of the woods. You could call them conservative in that respect. The industial days are gone and what do they stand for now, dishing out local government posts like sweets. Well looks like they're for the chop. If our MPs actually sratched their heads a bit more rather than there arses we might get a bit of PROGRESS* around here - - - * the new buzz word.

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Well the ones that do meet with they voters may get a knife in the guts. Well in certain London areas that is. Thats probably an aberration I hope. Anyway yes it would be good if your local MP wasnt just a puppet for their party. Just there to make up the numbers. I mean it should be a part time job for 5 years max. Most take second jobs. So it cannot be that taxing. And wouldnt be if your mind was made up for you by your party and all you had to do was rock up and toe the party line on every vote. Most MP's stick with the status quo in my eyes, Labours very guilty of it up in this neck of the woods. You could call them conservative in that respect. The industial days are gone and what do they stand for now, dishing out local government posts like sweets. Well looks like they're for the chop. If our MPs actually sratched their heads a bit more rather than there arses we might get a bit of PROGRESS* around here - - - * the new buzz word.

Your so right. The MP that we vote for locally should be there for the people that vote for them and I know they have to spend time in Parliment but I think that they should not be a puppet for their party but do the things that people voted them in for. At least then they could show that they are not just looking after their interests but the interest of the people that put them there.

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threegee

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I think they have just made it impossible to become unstuck until 2015, the next general election.

True; it's going to be a long countdown, ending in May 2015.

It SHOULD only be four years in any civilised democracy, but at least we've now got rid of the PM's silly game of calling an election at a date that suits him - all in the national interest of course! That has to be more democratic progress than we've seen for decades! Could it be that the sight of Gordon Brown trying to BS the public about his real intentions and motives was the last scene in this farce?

http://news.bbc.co.u...pt=true&bbcws=2

There's *perhaps* a case that this time that it's going to take at least five years to clean up Gordos spending spree and return the country to some sort of solvency. But there's no case in this day and age for not holding referendums on constitutional matters. And, in such referendums the questions should be formed by an independent non-political group, and not by the government of the day, to elicit the answer it wants to hear.

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Dave

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So its been a while now, and with the economy starting to slid badly back into recession, people losing their jobs and thats before the cuts kick in. The riots last year (and the riots that will happen this year will be at least twice the size.) I will bet a major player in the Lib dems will defect to the labour cause before 2012. If its a big enough player it may cause a split. Without growth, you can cut all you like it will only get worse. A fact that the tories will find out soon enough. I actually think they realise this and are to not bothered. I can only see dark clouds ahead. The treasury has a one tracked mind, and thats a always a bad thing. Theres no point sticking to a course if that course is over a cliff edge!

Still the royal weddings next year! hands up who cares?

threegee

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So its been a while now, and with the economy starting to slid badly back into recession, people losing their jobs and thats before the cuts kick in. The riots last year (and the riots that will happen this year will be at least twice the size.) I will bet a major player in the Lib dems will defect to the labour cause before 2012....

The problem with your argument is that we were never out of recession. Throwing the last bit of credit on the credit cards around and pretending it's manner from heaven never impressed anyone in the know. People don't know just how close we came to an old style Labour-induced Sterling crisis. If that had happened there really would have been blood (and piles of garbage, and unburied corpses) on the streets!

The other problem with your argument is that Labour don't have a "cause" to defect to. All they can say is that the cuts are too fast; note, not that they are unnecessary. They want to defer them. Take the medicine later. For us to be "the sick man of Europe" once again. Sorry but you had the New Labour experiment and it didn't work! It's going to take years to unwind Gordo's economic "prudence" - for the economy to be rebalanced between public sector spending and private sector wealth creation, and for inflation to take care of the rest.

If there was an ounce of socialism in the present Labour party they'd have come up with some radical ideas like community banks (see the discussion on another thread). All we have on the Labour front bench is a bunch of people who are desperately trying to justify their existence, and their expenses, by saying "not" in the right places. We don't even have the sort of old-fashioned "champagne socialists" who used to spout at the picnic for a couple of hours, before getting into their limos, and returning to their mansions in the South just as fast as their chauffeur would take them. They may have been wrong-headed, but at least they truly believed in something other than self-advancement, and were worthy of some respect.

Dave

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The problem with your argument is that we were never out of recession. Throwing the last bit of credit on the credit cards around and pretending it's manner from heaven never impressed anyone in the know. People don't know just how close we came to an old style Labour-induced Sterling crisis. If that had happened there really would have been blood (and piles of garbage, and unburied corpses) on the streets!

The other problem with your argument is that Labour don't have a "cause" to defect to. All they can say is that the cuts are too fast; note, not that they are unnecessary. They want to defer them. Take the medicine later. For us to be "the sick man of Europe" once again. Sorry but you had the New Labour experiment and it didn't work! It's going to take years to unwind Gordo's economic "prudence" - for the economy to be rebalanced between public sector spending and private sector wealth creation, and for inflation to take care of the rest.

If there was an ounce of socialism in the present Labour party they'd have come up with some radical ideas like community banks (see the discussion on another thread). All we have on the Labour front bench is a bunch of people who are desperately trying to justify their existence, and their expenses, by saying "not" in the right places. We don't even have the sort of old-fashioned "champagne socialists" who used to spout at the picnic for a couple of hours, before getting into their limos, and returning to their mansions in the South just as fast as their chauffeur would take them. They may have been wrong-headed, but at least they truly believed in something other than self-advancement, and were worthy of some respect.

It isnt an argument .. just a prediction, as all polititians are opportunists, and "cause" is just a turn of phrase. Plus I always thought Blair was a tory, nevermind champagne socialist. But the tories must be loving having a deficit that needs cutting, they can cut all sorts of progams that gets the avarage daily mail reader frothering into their Horlicks, and point at the deficit as the all important reason, and it is a reason, but as I said before,this part of the country is the last thing they will worry about. They have no other ideas for this countrys populace concerning job creation, and may just be banking on BP hitting the jackpot in the Russian's frozen oil fields, and if they do, I think other countries will have something to say about that. As for the labours front bench , I also think they are in a "transition" . Its very important to have a working opposition.

Keith Scantlebury

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Kate Middleton asked The Queen the secret of a long and happy marriage.

The Queen told her to always wear a seatbelt and don't pxxs me off.

Goodun Malcolm ...... worth remembering that H M Queen will have 60 years in the job next year so she won't want Katie taking the shine off that will she. I wonder if we'll get an extra bank hol next year as well

Keith Scantlebury

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To be honest folks I have I have all but given up on those clowns in Westminster and beyond. It does not matter one bit who runs the country because each one is as bad as the other. They all promise the earth to get into office, when they do get into office they spend their time wriggling out of their pre-election promises then telling lies about their lies. I have seen less !*!@# after a busy day at Hexham mart. Not a single one of them could lie straight in their beds at night. I wonder how long it will take PINKY and PERKY [aka Dave and Nick] to take the country to the deepest fathoms of the Heath government of the early seventies, remember the three day weeks and the power cuts? [ No wonder the daft git sank his yaught ] Seems we are heading that way again at a rate of knots.

Malcolm Robinson

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I am worried about it too Keith because at the end of this electoral term, after all the likely job losses, redundancies, welfare cuts, voluntary sector cuts et al, we still end up borrowing more to run government machinations.

If we have been living so far out of our means, and that bit has little to do with any financial crisis, for the last umpteen years someone who was running the show needs to be held to account! Its mismanagement on a grotesque scale!

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