Ukip Publishes GE Manifesto

[threegee]

http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

 

I particularly like:

 

– UKIP will abolish the Department of Energy and Climate Change and scrap green subsidies. 

– UKIP will abolish the Department for Culture Media and Sport.

 

Jobs for the boys (and girls) if ever there were, and a good starting position for the very necessary reduction in public sector spending that any government will have to face up to after the GE.  What is Labour going to cut?  We should be told! The lack of transparency of the three establishment parties is telling.

 

£17,000,000,000 a year savings through leaving the EU and targeting foreign aid only where it will do good (and not try to buy political influence).  When you hear a politico arguing "BUT, that will mean a loss of influence" then run; he's not talking about what is good for the UK, he's talking about what - in his dream world - is good only for the political classes!

[Symptoms]

That ukip document looks familiar ...

 

 

[threegee]

Standing logic on its head in the good old tried and tested way eh Sym!

You don't need to look too far to find Nazis, so there's no need to invent them from decent British folk who've had enough of the Westminster snake-oil merchants.  Instead of trying to apply the usual substitute-for-though left wing labels why not tell us exactly what is wrong with UKIP policies? You know, what it really says that you genuinely take issue with, and not what you'd like it to say to suit those tribal prejudices. Cherry pick as much as you like, and ignore everything and anything you might agree with. Ummm.. Waiting!

 

Want to find Nazis?  It's long, but you might actually learn something:

 

 

Oh, and there's an instructive speech from a Jewish lady - who's family perished in Nazi concentration camps - explaining exactly why she joined UKIP, and why the loony-left completely p* her off for being so dumb-arsed stupid. But, I will spare you that.

[Symptoms]

GGG - we share the view that Westminster is stuffed full of shysters.  None of them, even the ones wishing to join them at the slop-trough, will deliver anything of benefit.  Their only ambition is to gorge themselves at Joe Public's expense, so they'll lie about what they'll do once they get there.

[threegee]

So how do you propose to remove them, or is it OK to just moan about it?

[Symptoms]

I'm afraid they'll never be budged, it'll never change!  So all we have left is to moan and poke fun ... it's the only coping mechanism available to Joe Public.  Most of those who we initally believed in always end-up making compromises or, more usually, selling out, so it's no wonder folks end up with a jaundiced view of politicians and what they represent.  Those glorious few who continue to fight for what they believe in just end up being marginalised or pilloried in the press.

[Tonyp]

Threegee maybe Nigel's German wife had a good talk to her mmmm it's also amazing what you can create with a bankers BONUS..

[willy j.]

Don't forget about Nick Clegg's Spanish wife, who by the way works for the EU in Brussells. Maybe he should have a word with her about Spanish boats entering British territorial waters off Gibraltar. Trying to provoke an international incident, what are they playing at? If we get heavy with them, the PC Bandwagon will immediately side with the Spanish and we will be all bad guys.

 

We used to be a strong nation that always stood up to anyone who tried to take a swing at us. Then the PC slime slivered in under the door and found it was easy to get their way, so they took more and more, because our weak, lilly livered governments allowed them to.

 

It's time to stand up to the bullies, like our forefathers always did.

[willy j.]

Watched the Rodney Atkinson spiel (forgive the German inference, a commonly used word by the English. In German spiel actually means 'game') absolutely spot on GGG, Just goes to show what you can come up with when you do a little research.

 

Better than putting your foot in your mouth like our esteemed Labour MP, Mr Lavery in the House of Commons during Prime Ministers Questions. How embarrassing was that, he may speak for Labour, but he certainly does not speak for me.

[Tonyp]

I'm afraid liberals don't rock my boat,but I don't here him winging on about European immigration as for his wife she can look after herself she earns at least 10 times his yearly salary & she is paying her English taxes which you would do if you want to live in spain...

[willy j.]

You're right about his 'non whingeing' about the EU Tony, that's why he fought so hard for the in his debates with Nigel. He obviously his his own agenda

[Tonyp]

Maybe there wives are best of friends?????.

[threegee]

I'm afraid they'll never be budged, it'll never change!  So all we have left is to moan and poke fun ... it's the only coping mechanism available to Joe Public...

 

According to the most recent poll 25% of the public disagree with that, and are figuring on actually doing something about it.  Old Labour supporters can sit on their backsides and reminisce, or actively do something.

 

My take on this is that we are at one of those major inflection points in history. I believe that both Labour and the Tories have outrun their usefulness to society.  They have both morphed into top-down marketing organisations bent on their own advancement. Principles and ideology went out of the window long ago - the whole process is now pure self-serving pretence.  They even buy into their own mutual propaganda (about the EU being essential to us, etc.), and are both largely staffed with people with no real world experience. Their job is - and always will be - selling their right to that job.  Yes, I know, apart from the inflection point thing there's little there that no one hadn't already worked out for themselves.

 

So... it's time for everyone with a grain of sense to stop moaning and do something. That something is to temporarily bury all differences of opinion and unite to force change. I'd vote for The Arthur Scargill Party if he promised his Stalinist agenda was a thing of the past; promised to preserve democracy; and he had a credible chance of forcing his way into the Westminster hen house.

 

There is now only one way to that change. The LD's shot themselves in the foot, and, as a top-down organisation (utterly wedded to the biggest top-down organisation of them all) was never going to force change anyway.  But, many people thought it was worth a try.  The present coalition government was just a portent.  Have another look at that UKIP link and see if there isn't anything you couldn't temporarily swallow in order to permanently get us out of this straitjacket.

 

Now, you are going to say, yes, I can live with that; yes, I actually support that; that's wrong, but maybe it will change when they see the error of their ways.  But but but... the real killer is that you are going to convince yourself that they don't really mean it, are duplicitous, and won't carry out their policies anyway. Well, it simply doesn't matter if they will or wont, because in a few more years the system will have had that long overdue shock, and democracy will be working again!  The Oxford PPE courses will be rewritten to de-emphasise focus-group led government, and warn of the "dangers" to the system of communications no longer being the hands of the ruling elites, etc etc.  Tory and Labour may not (and probably won't) disappear, because there may be mileage in the brand names (especially if you stick New in front of them - oh, no, that's been done! ) but they will be radically different, and really listen.  My answer to your duplicitous point would be that we have a bottom-up organisation that won't tolerate that - something we haven't had for a very long time.  And, if that happens, UKIP will factionalise and split - such is real democracy.

 

The message for the average disinterested-in-politics voter is:

 

You now have a once-(well maybe twice, but we can't yet be sure)-in-a-lifetime chance to shock the system into major change - don't waste it!  And, even more importantly, don't oppose the change everyone needs by mindless tribal voting for parties that have come to the end of their natural lives.  The new world may be uncertain and quite messy, but it will be truly democratic, and, a lot more open and honest.

[keith lockey]

Threegee is right. We have a once-in-lifetime chance to show we are TOTALLY dissatisfied with the leading parties and their lethargic politics. We actually need someone to rock the boat and give these complacent politicians a shock to their systems. Even if UKIP got in at the next GE and if they failed miserably then it would give the politicians in this country a kick up the a**e and show them that the people are sick and tired of their self-centered- going-nowhere ways. The biggest enemies come next GE are the public's worn out motive for voting - "My mam and dad voted for Labour so I'm going to vote for Labour." and the fact that both Labour & Tories know they are fighting for their very existence. And when political animals are cornered they will use every dirty trick in the book to survive. There will be deals within deals and you can expect a gruesome fight.

 

Addendum 1 - I said Labour was a leading party...sorry, I was talking past-tense.

Addendum 2 - I seriously doubt if UKIP can keep it's promises...no party has or can.

Addendum 3 - I've had a hard day at work and I'm tired. 

[willy j.]

Keith, all we are asking, is give UKIP a chance. We have nothing to lose, hell things cant be any worse, but the country will be starting from a clean canvas, so to speak. One thing is certain though, we will get our country back,

 

The party is also engendering an ethos of making MP's accountable to their constituents. They elected them, and they can de-select them. Something the other parties don't offer.

 

By the way, anyone reading these posts, we at UKIP Wansbeck will need all the help we can get over the next 7 month's. So anyone wanting to get involved, you will be very welcome.

[Tonyp]

Nigel Farage said today on daily politics that if he got a few seats he would sell his soul to have a vote on immigration

I hope they get the seats to do that then when **** hits the fan they will get the blame because the big parties will blame them big time

[willy j.]

That's not quite true Tony, that's not what he said because I was watching it. He was asked the question by Andrew Neill: "If the Labour party or the Tory party asked you to enter into a cooperation agreement, not a coalition, but a cooperation agreement, what would be your price"? Nigel's reply was simple and straight forward. "A full, free and fair referendum on our continued membership of the European Union, as soon as possible".

 

Those were the words that were spoken, I know because I recorded the interview. Nowhere did he mention 'a few seats' or that he 'would sell his soul'. You see, putting a Labour spin on things that you would have liked him to have said, doesn't  work anymore. The public can see right through it, and twisting the real words that were spoken only increases our following. The people are not stupid.

 

We will get the seats, make no mistake, and you will just have to take the pain.

[threegee]

It baffles me why trade unions want our country in an alliance that was established by ex-nazi industrialists in order to keep wages down.  That is basically what the EU "freedom of movement" rules are all about.  Surely it's self evident that unlimited immigration drives down wages and causes unemployment amongst indigenous peoples? It's pretty simple supply and demand economics - though in this instance fear (of losing your job) comes into it too. Of course this really bites at the bottom of the job ladder. The top looks after its own.

 

Before New Labour the left was adamantly opposed to the EU, and the EU agenda was driven by Tory people like the appalling Ted Heath to pander to unenlightened Tory industrialists.  Then, along came Teflon Tony.  How could the unions possibly fall for New Labour's uncontrolled immigration-led agenda at a time the EU was just gearing up to shackle in low wage Eastern European economies?

 

Does not compute!  Either the present day unions are run by turkeys voting for Christmas, or there is a hidden agenda.  One thing is for sure: they are not looking after low paid worker's interests, always the very essence of trade unionism.  Pull the ladder up because I'm all-right Jack!

 

And... you are all venerate the late Tony Ben and his staunch socialist principals:

 

In the book, you talk about your opposition to the European Community. Now, we're seeing that debate come around again – a return to an anti-European line?

 

TB: It is, and I'm not anti-German, anti-French, anti-Italian… but the European Union is not democratic. The laws are made not by people you vote for, but by people who are commissioned or appointed. The central bank in Frankfurt is made up of appointed people and they give orders to governments. That's the real weakness of it.

 

Yet, you vote for a party now going in entirely the opposite direction, simply because there's still a red rosette on the package!  I think there is a term for this irrational behaviour in the marketing industry, and it might not be complimentary.

[willy j.]

I agree with everything you just said GGG, especially about Tony Benn and how the ex-Nazi industrialists set the whole EU cess pit up. I am reading TB's Biography at the moment, and it's all in there. Keeping wages down is the most useful tool, not only in the EU unelected slimeballs box, but in the Labour movement. Both organisations pretend to champion the, 'fairer wage for all' fight. Plus, the 'Standard of living' crusade, but I think they are happy to keep this status quo whilst pretending otherwise. If this situation didn't exist people wouldn't need to always look toward the Labour charlatans as their only salvation.

 

Being fed regularly on a diet of, 'Oh my god, socialism is our only saviour', guarantees these two unsavoury organisations a large following. Because, and I include myself in this, (as I was one of them for 47 years, then I woke up) they believe the constant stream of lies they are told. Tony Blair and his wife must have had many a laugh at the expense of the lower classes as they saw their bank balance growing at an obscene rate, He knew he would always run off into the sunset to a luxury position somewhere else. Economy ruined, country in a pile of debt, left to fight two wars that he helped create, and cut our military down to the bone to cope with it. JOB DONE!!.........As the Blair's disappear over the horizon with a big Grin on their faces.

 

I think there is a serious case for the whole Parliamentary Labour Party to be brought to court and face charges for what they did to this country.

[Malcolm Robinson]

I think there is a serious case for the whole Parliamentary Labour Party to be brought to court and face charges for what they did to this country.

 

I think certainly Gordo and Tony!  

Also any bankers we can round up!  

[willy j.]

Does that mean I can apply for Albert Pierrepoint's old job then. Sedition at that level is High Treason. So I am sure they may have need of me.

Edited October 14, 2014 by willy j.

[threegee]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pierrepoint

[willy j.]

I have the DVD too. But it's a great link for us History buffs.

[Maggie/915]

Some things I agree with in this debate others I think are too simplistic.

Fear of Europe on the basis of what was a dangerous ideal based on the viewpoint of a megalomaniac is not the whole story.

Living in Germany 39/45 people survived in a 'vote for me or I will klll' you environment.

That does not make everyone bad.

Power makes people view things from a different perspective.

Ie

The politician who makes the case for cleaning up the river then finds people loose jobs because the factory closes.

Immigration may have got out of hand but that is because we live on a small island and some people have the idea that life here is easy.

The EU may not be perfect but we need to fight our corner not moan about everything.

UKIP may have the answer but I have yet to be convinced.

I personally have never voted just because it was what was expected of me.

I like Tony Benn because he was true to his ideals.

If he had compromised, he could have achieved higher office.

In Parliament the Whips Office forces people to agree with the hierarchy.

Tony Benn was not a 'push over' he often spoke out of turn and finally left politics to become more involved with politics.

[threegee]

...except between those dates there were no elections in Germany.  The last one was 1938 - I forget who "won"! 

It's interesting how people will except huge compromises in some things yet stubbornly dig their heels in on relatively minor matters.  The EU is not perfect - bit of an understatement there then?  Our membership is based on a lie - we were all told it was an economic union but there would be absolutely no loss of national sovereignty.  Since then - and despite more promises to the contrary (Lisbon Treaty etc.) - we've been given no say by the elites who control our country's affairs.  All we've seen is creeping federalism. The standard answer is that you get to choose which party policy you support; that's "representative" democracy.  Well... it might be democracy but it's not representative of me, and according to opinion surveys it's not representative of the bulk of UK citizens. Hobson's choice is no choice!

 

If the Tory/Labour/LibDem elites thought they could get their way we'd have a referendum on this failing political experiment in a matter of weeks, but there's always a lame excuse.  Remember Cameron's "cast iron guarantee" of one?  Support for ANY party that consistently won't give the electorate a choice on their own sovereignty is more than bloomin compromise - it's meekly accepting that we don't have a democracy at all, and acceptance of class dictatorship.  Our country has been stolen from under our very noses - in more than one way too.  We want it back, and by golly we are going to get it back!

 

One of the first things Carswell is doing is helping a former colleague to reintroduce his right-of-recall bill to allow electors to remove MPs they loose faith in.  That's a very good start towards something resembling TB's popular democracy.