Frau Merkel and immigration

[tomtom]

Well. well the cat is truly amongst the pigeons now and the Merkel dictat looks to me as though we are on a hiding to nothing. Does anyone really believe that Cameron has any powers of negotiations when the 'master race' appears to have total control?

[Tonyp]

Part of the eu mate...

[threegee]

Ah, but if we leave the EU we'll lose influence.

 

noun

1.

the capacity or power of persons or things to be a compelling force on or produce effects on the actions, behavior, opinions, etc., of others:

He used family influence to get the contract.

2.

the action or process of producing effects on the actions, behavior, opinions, etc., of another or others:

Her mother's influence made her stay.

3.

a person or thing that exerts influence:

He is an influence for the good.

 

It's not just the sunbeds:

 

Germany has focused on areas where the Commission has most power such as economic affairs, antitrust enforcement and other regulatory departments. Trade is also important. The EU ambassador to China, Markus Ederer, is a German.

 

Government planners, who chart the progress of their brightest talent, have also identified "Germany-friendly" non-nationals who are worth backing for jobs - supporting candidates who, for example, have studied in German universities.

 

The Dutch, for example, are seen as in step with German economics. The Netherlands' Jeroen Dijsselbloem chairs the euro group of finance ministers, which sets policy for the single currency managed by the Frankfurt-based European Central Bank.

 

French officials who once saw the EU as largely their own project, say the handing of EU votes and jobs to Germany's poor eastern neighbors after the Cold War has shifted the balance toward Berlin, whose economic success makes it a more tempting ally than Paris in the horse-trading that makes much EU policy.

 

Merkel's Europe - how her men run Brussels

 

The site quoted below warns of the consequences of something which has already happened.  Its wisdom our parents, grandparents and great grandparents would have no problem accepting - yet, how soon they forget!

 

"Deutschland uber Alles" ("Germany Above Everything") is a remarkably revealing national anthem. Reflective of a country's consciousness of self, it is not "God Save the Queen," "America the Beautiful" or "The Star-Spangled Banner." Deutschland uber Alles, with a combined East and West population of 80 million, a prospective gross national product of 1.5 trillion Deutschmarks, is a frightening prospect. The master-race jingoistic rhetoric of prior Germanic states leads to the inexorable conclusion that there would be no reason to expect that the thought processes or protoplasm of the Fourth Reich would differ from that of the Third or that the world will not once again tremble before the unleashed Hun.

 

With its greater economic strength and an unprecedented acceptance by nations its predecessors never enjoyed, joined with the enormous available destructive force of perverted science, any future relived nightmare would be more terrible and protracted than any of the past and its outcome more uncertain.

 

If it is not a teacher, history would trivialize life and would make us one with the lemmings as we pass, generation after generation, into the abyss.

 

An United Germany Couldn't Be Trusted

 

But, this time it will all be different.  We have cast iron assurances on that:

 

I desire to declare ... that we in this new Germany are filled with deep understanding for the same feelings and opinions and for the rightful claims to life of the other nations. The present generation of this new Germany ... has suffered too deeply from the madness of our time to be able to contemplate treating others in the same way. Our boundless love for and loyalty to our own national traditions makes us respect the national claims of others and makes us desire from the bottom of our hearts to be with them in peace and friendship.

 

Lemmings would seem to sum it up in one word.

[Symptoms]

Ja! Zee Tommy Kammarooon vill be duffed-upen inzee Dunkirk by Frau Gruppenführer Merkel.

[tomtom]

Time to leave said Zebedee - I think we have a good chance of surviving out of the EU - so come on Cameron and give us the in/out referendum now.

[Tonyp]

Tom Tom Zebedee was on speed lol I'm afraid the Tories are not....

[Maggie/915]

How about the Hokey Cokey!

In out in out shake it all about.

Seriously lots of debate needed.