A Question About Calais.

[threegee]

Now that all Duplicitous Dave's other lies have been exposed there's a fall-back on the Project Fear staple of Kent being overrun with illegal immigrants.  I've never heard a convincing argument as to why our other points of entry don't have immigrant camps surrounding them, and why turning illegals around wherever won't work, but, from one of Dave's minions here's the devastating logic that proves his case:  Apparently, YES, we CAN turn immigrants around when they set foot on UK territory BUT - and we are expected to believe it's a BIG BIG BUT - once they reach the UK they can claim asylum, and it's is oh so difficult to disprove false claims here. So difficult that we simply have to let them in!

Now here's my question(s): If for legal purposes we have UK Border signs up at Calais with desks manned by UK officials, surely for legal purposes that must be the err... UK Border?  If it isn't the UK Border then someone is BSing someone and a challenge in the international courts from some bunch of do-gooder lawyers or other "no borders" group is going to be a breeze.  Doubtless when this happens the Westminster elites will express outrage that we've been thwarted again, and cave to international law in the well established pattern.  The lawyers will get even richer, but nothing will actually be done.

What precisely is the difference between the same UK Border sign (manned by the same UK agency) at a UK airport or ferry terminal and the same sign erected near the entrance to the channel tunnel on ostensibly French territory?  Does this mean that all the international law about embassies being the sovereign territory of the state they represent is a sham?  If so why don't our police just tramp in to the London Venezuelan one and arrest Julian Assange instead of throwing our hard-earned tax money at the problem they have created?  If I'm wrong about this then the logical conclusion is that UK officials have no right to be exercising powers of entry or exit to the UK on French soil and one can simply brush past them, as under international law they are acting illegally.

The reality seems to be that the answer to these questions is whatever suits Dave's Project Fear at any given instant.  It's rather apt that some are comparing him to a used-car salesman, but that must surely be a slur on the integrity of used-car salesmen everywhere!

[Malcolm Robinson]

UK passports service is on the Calais side of the Chunnel.  

[threegee]

6 hours ago, Malcolm Robinson said:

UK passports service is on the Calais side of the Chunnel.  

This is true, but what is the basis of this in international law?  We are told that the UK Border has been relocated there.  At least we are told this for the purposes of Dave's Project Fear.

Another interesting question is if it's a "service" then who is it serving?  It can't be serving British citizens as there is no legal requirement for them to have a passport to enter the UK.  A UK Passport is a missive addressed to foreign governments.  Her Majesty doesn't go in for writing letters to herself!  Entering the UK is the constitutional right of every British citizen.

[webtrekker]

If the UK border is at Calais, then what are all those French fishermen doing in our waters?

[Malcolm Robinson]

I had to show my UK passport to UK customs  when I last used the Chunnel and I was in France when I had to produce it!!!!!!!!

 

It was a division of a south coast constabulary.  

 

And a very warm welcome they gave me!  

[threegee]

9 hours ago, webtrekker said:

If the UK border is at Calais, then what are all those French fishermen doing in our waters?

Ah, that's an easy one!

Answer: They are not in UK Waters, they are in EU Waters fishing EU fish.  And... why are you complaining as the EU has ensured that we no longer have any sort of recognisable fishing industry anyway?

That's unlike little Norway where a real democracy has stubbornly maintained independence (and one of the highest living standards in the world).

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The Norwegian fishing industry consists of a very modern fleet having over 85 highly mobile ocean vessels.

http://personal.colby.edu/personal/t/thtieten/fish-nor.html

And yes, the politicians there tried their very own Project Fear - but it still leaves more than 70% of the population unimpressed.