Petition: Leave the EU immediately

[threegee]

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Leave the EU immediately

The Government should walk away from the Article 50 negotiations and leave the EU immediately with no deal. The EU looks set to offer us a punishment deal out of spite. Why wait another 18 months when we could leave right away and fully take back control of our country, lawmaking powers and borders?

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200165

48,963 signatures so far.

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

Are they hoping for  17,410,742 signatures? Or do you think that all those that voted to leave, and now realise they hadn't a clue what they were really voting for, will have changed their minds, as they still don't really know what they are voting for?

We can't just leave as the BBC will have nothing to fill in the first 10mins of the daily news.

Pay up the money and keep mercury's exchange rate high.

[threegee]

Only a modest 100,000 needed this time around Eggs!

Which money would that be? The Brussels Broadcasting Corporation is part of the plot, and Merc's exchange rate is against the USD not the new Deutschmark - so he's obviously rooting for Mr Trump and not the EU-krauts (or.. maybe not?)

Me, I just demand my country back; how about you?  If you are still singing in the rain then you must at least change into dry socks! 

[mercuryg]

"Pay up the money and keep mercury's exchange rate high."

Thanks Eggy, glad to know someone has the welfare of the common man to hand! !

"Merc's exchange rate is against the USD"

Of course it is; what right-minded industry uses the euro as the currency of choice? Far from rooting for anyone, I'll remind you once more the lovely high return I get is directly due to the Brexit vote, so I really think it would be great if we had another referendum,  just to boost my earnings. I'm still perplexed as to, when all the Eastern Europeans get sent home (another thing loads of the leave brigade voted for) who is going to pick all the turnips around here? Mrs May hasn't mentioned that anywhere in her latest speeches, which is somewhat frustrating. With halloween fast approaching, this is a point that really should be at the very top of the agenda, as not only will it be a waste of turnips, but something has to be done about the rampant invasion of pumpkins. It was always turnips carved to a little evil face when i was a kid. Bloody americans...

 

 

[mercuryg]

"...all those that voted to leave, and now realise they hadn't a clue what they were really voting..."

Now now Eggy, this is not really fair, is it? Everyone knew they were voting on the thorny issue of immugracion, and for two reasons: one, all these foreigners who come over here and happily do the jobs that locals really don't want to do and will do everything possible to avoid, and two. to get rid of all the muslims who, as President Trump rightly states, are directly responsible for the 13% overall rise (or is it a 9% fall?) in crime in the UK across the last year. As I suspect most of the minority who voted to leave would put at the end of every Facebook argument, because it makes it final: Fact. 

[mercuryg]

"I just demand my country back"

This has always amused me: who took it? I looked at a map just now, and it's still there. I know it's quite small - China could probably tuck it away in her handbag and nobody would notice - but I'm sure nobody has taken it yet.

[threegee]

7 hours ago, mercuryg said:

"I just demand my country back"

This has always amused me: who took it? I looked at a map just now, and it's still there. I know it's quite small - China could probably tuck it away in her handbag and nobody would notice - but I'm sure nobody has taken it yet.

Pretty much says it all about how remonians view our country.  Pity it got so depleted of its more worthy citizens during two world wars liberating a Europe that has now totally forgotten their sacrifice (or in the case of some of them actually resenting it).

As you mention maps: here's the SS map of the European Union (yes, they did coin the name).

Do you notice the subtle difference from the similar EU regional map?  The difference is that at least the Nazi founders of the EU didn't actually seek to erase all cultural differences.

You deride your own country, and in doing so deride the hundreds of millions of others around Europe who wish to leave a failing socialist experiment whose anti-democratic nature denies them any opportunity to express this.  We can all work very happily together, respecting our own and other nation's cultures, without having every aspect of our lives controlled and regulated by a political class that contributes absolutely nothing of substance.

Glad it was you who raised the shocking increase in crime.  This is what happens when societies break down because they no longer share common values.  A major element in those common values is the nationhood you are so keen to deride.  Size only matters to people who lust for power.

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

6 hours ago, mercuryg said:

"...all those that voted to leave, and now realise they hadn't a clue what they were really voting..."

Now now Eggy, this is not really fair, is it? Everyone knew they were voting on the thorny issue of immugracion, and for two reasons: one, all these foreigners who come over here and happily do the jobs that locals really don't want to do and will do everything possible to avoid, and two. to get rid of all the muslims who, as President Trump rightly states, are directly responsible for the 13% overall rise (or is it a 9% fall?) in crime in the UK across the last year. As I suspect most of the minority who voted to leave would put at the end of every Facebook argument, because it makes it final: Fact. 

I didn't fully explain my sentence Merc, should have added a bit "......all those that voted to leave because of the thorny issue of immugracion,  and now realise they hadn't a clue what they were really voting for  = the party that won the general election to enter discussions, on behalf of those that did plus those that didn't vote for them, with the EU's chief negotiator without interference as we have total confidence in their ability of that party, regardless of what the chief negotiator, and friends, put in their way. That way the people can get on with what they do best = whinge.

Why can't the people be like Merc and make the best of it = Merc for PM, or at least Foreign Secretary

To resolve the gap in Britain's work force when the foreign imports leave us stranded, without turnips to light up, the government should train the 14.4% unemployed from Middlesborough,  offering them wages + increased fraudulent benefits to fill the gaps. This would also  reduce the crime figures on Teesside 

 As I voted Remain, and amazingly lost, I must still abide by the majority and allow our team to negotiate = they know whats best for us, and the majority that voted them in, because they know whats best for the country, should allow them to get on with it and keep  Laura Juliet Kuenssberg out of the news.

18 hours ago, threegee said:

If you are still singing in the rain then you must at least change into dry socks! 

Over the years my knowledge and ability to see into the future has astounded many and they are not surprised when I get ready to go singing, and dancing, in the rain I take my socks off thus saving essential energy to grow more turnips for Merc.

 Doobe Do Do, Doobe Doobe Do Do, what a glorious feeling I'm happy again, just singing and dancing, in the rain, Doobe Do Do, Doobe Doobe Do Do    

[webtrekker]

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Quantum theory states that nothing exists until it's observed, so as long as you don't look at Europe, it's not there! 

[Canny lass]

8 hours ago, webtrekker said:

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

That's probably the most sensible thing I've heard on the subject of Brexit.

[mercuryg]

"You deride your own country"

What utter nonsense. Furthermore, it's not my country, I never owned it and never will, and it would be great to see others recognise this. 

"Glad it was you who raised the shocking increase in crime.  "

What, you, cherry-picking? I am amazed! The 'shocking' increase in crime is but one solitary figure in a broad and comprehensive report. I draw your attention to the comment from the spokesman for the Office for National Statistics, the body that released the report, who says:

""The recent increases in recorded crime need to be seen in the context of the overall decline in crime indicated by the Crime Survey for England and Wales,"

Decline means fall, by the way (and no, I make no apology about being factious towards someone who, in accusing me of deriding 'my' country - which isn't mine - is equally so towards me).

Like most, I can see both sides of the coin here: I see the pros and cons of Brexit - and have drawn the conclusion that there are equal measures of each (hence my sympathy with my turnip-picking friends) and also accept - along with Eggy - that I cast my vote, and it wasn't the result I wanted. That's life, it's how it goes. It doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. Although, to be honest, I'm pretty ambivalent, as I'm sensible enough to see that I shouldn't really worry too much about it, as has also been pointed out on here.

So, to reiterate - it's not your country, and it's not mine, and it never will be. It's a chunk of land that we happen to live on, and so do many other people. Crime is not spiralling at an alarming rate because of Muslims (oh, sorry, you didn't say that, did you? That was Mr Trump) and we are not all doomed to live in a society that is broken and failing, thanks to the immigrant population. The world is not about to end, and life goes on.

Incidentally, and for the record, I live in a region with a low crime rate, and a high proportion of immigrants. Make of that what you will.

 

 

[mercuryg]

"...wages + increased fraudulent benefits..."

This had me spilling my coffee this morning.

[threegee]

2 hours ago, mercuryg said:

"You deride your own country"

What utter nonsense. Furthermore, it's not my country, I never owned it and never will, and it would be great to see others recognise this. 

"Glad it was you who raised the shocking increase in crime.  "

What, you, cherry-picking? I am amazed! The 'shocking' increase in crime is but one solitary figure in a broad and comprehensive report. I draw your attention to the comment from the spokesman for the Office for National Statistics, the body that released the report, who says:

""The recent increases in recorded crime need to be seen in the context of the overall decline in crime indicated by the Crime Survey for England and Wales,"

Decline means fall, by the way (and no, I make no apology about being factious towards someone who, in accusing me of deriding 'my' country - which isn't mine - is equally so towards me).

Like most, I can see both sides of the coin here: I see the pros and cons of Brexit - and have drawn the conclusion that there are equal measures of each (hence my sympathy with my turnip-picking friends) and also accept - along with Eggy - that I cast my vote, and it wasn't the result I wanted. That's life, it's how it goes. It doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. Although, to be honest, I'm pretty ambivalent, as I'm sensible enough to see that I shouldn't really worry too much about it, as has also been pointed out on here.

So, to reiterate - it's not your country, and it's not mine, and it never will be. It's a chunk of land that we happen to live on, and so do many other people. Crime is not spiralling at an alarming rate because of Muslims (oh, sorry, you didn't say that, did you? That was Mr Trump) and we are not all doomed to live in a society that is broken and failing, thanks to the immigrant population. The world is not about to end, and life goes on.

Incidentally, and for the record, I live in a region with a low crime rate, and a high proportion of immigrants. Make of that what you will.

So... the result is no longer "advisory" and to be ignored in typical anti-democratic EU fashion?  Ah, well, at least we've made some progress there!

It's easy to see why you - as an inveterate socialist - have a problem with the word "my".  It's a declaration of belonging and duty (particularly duty to past and future generations), not an expression of property rights.

Guess what's happened here since the sub-saharan invasion got really industralised?  Yes, crime has shot up and the loony lefties are making all sorts of excuses for what's obvious to ordinary thinking people.  We help illegals on an individual basis because they are all human (and thankfully MOST of them are Christian at the moment), but it's got to stop.  It's a matter of numbers, and socialists simply can't count (hello Diane!).   Their even more delusory assertion that Islam is benign is very dangerous denial of reality.  The socialist that has caused most of Europe's current problems - our dear Frau Merkel - has now admitted that multiculturalism doesn't work, and was a mistake. Unfortunately we've still not heard these words from the dysfunctional UK Labour Party, that quietly imposed it on our own country.

I leave the matter of whether you regularly attempt to diminish and deride your own country up to others to judge.

[mercuryg]

I'll start with your last sentence, : it's not 'my' country, and nor is it yours; it never has been, and it never will be. I'm not sure why you find that so hard to understand. It has nothing to do with the meaning of the word 'my', and nor does it have anything to do with belonging or duty, and your rather insulting comment inferring that I'm somehow being disrespectful to past and future generations is rather laughable. Something you seem unable to get is that future generations - in this country and others - will not consist of white Christians only (as if they ever did) but of a mix of races, religions and beliefs; if you actually think there is something that can be done about that, I'll label you with one of your favourite words - deluded. 

"as an inveterate socialist" Who said I'm a socialist? I might have read, and enjoyed, The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists, but that doesn't define me. I prefer not to be pigeonholed, thanks, and it's one of the reasons I stopped replying to your posts - you are one-sided, and often extremely boring with it. And, I might add, living firmly in the past. 

As for the Brexit vote being advisory - it was; that was clear to anyone who bothered to look beyond your apparently authoritative rantings and read the cross-section of information elsewhere. Things move on and it now appears we are heading for a watered-down version of what was originally planned, which is no surprise whatsoever. So, my turnip picking friends won't get sent home, but then they were never going to.

The problem I have with you - and as I don't know you, the 'you' I refer to is that of your words on here - is that I find you innately annoying in your holier than thou tone; you believe - quite clearly from what you write - that you know best, and we should all follow. You don't; you are a stuck record, probably one of those spoken record 15RPM ones that nobody bothers with anymore. You are so worked up about the 'problem' with Islam that you fail to see the wood for the trees. Here's a simple fact that is worth thinking about: there's more than a billion Muslims in the world - what are you proposing we do about it? You want an 'us and them' scenario? Is that going to work out well? You want to define areas where they can live? That's really a 21st century approach, isn't it? I don't know whether Mohammed pissed in your cornflakes one morning, but frankly your ongoing assertion that Islam is the root of every problem is tiresome. That would be people, of all religions, of all races, of all ages and beliefs. 

I really hope that - as you do me - I've annoyed you enough for you to come back with some apparently intelligent retort, because I have quite a bit of time on my hands here at the moment - turnips are being picked, shot enough partridges for the week, guess I'll pop down the pub for a pint or two with those horrible Polish blokes who you and your ilk would like to send home, but who are actually just people, doing a job, getting on with life. The horses need feeding, back later.

Oh, before I go, I'll highlight this: "I leave the matter of whether you regularly attempt to diminish and deride your own country up to others to judge."

I fear your confidence in others siding with you may be somewhat flawed. No, I'll change that; I know your confidence in others siding with you IS flawed. 

 

 

Edited October 24, 2017 by mercuryg

[Canny lass]

Having enjoyed the status of immigrant/emigrant – depending on which side of the North Sea you view it from – for much more than 15 years, I was not allowed a vote in the Brexit referendum. Therefore, I have not had the privilege of seeing an actual ballot paper. Can anyone tell me just how the question was worded?

I imagined a simple yes/no type of question, along the lines of ‘Should the UK remain a member of the EU?’ Answer YES or NO.

When the whole democratic process of the referendum had ended the answer was a very democratically decided  “ NO, the UK should not remain in the EU”. I, bless my naivety, expected the NO voters to be delighted and the YES voters to be disappointed. I, bless my naivety again, expected the British to accept the decision with good grace and let the government - who are not only paid to do so but also democratically elected to do so – get the business done. Oh, silly me.

The NO voters are still whining. Why? You won, for heaven’s sake! As far as I know you weren’t asked in the referendum HOW the exit should take place or WHEN it should take place. However, you have had your chance to say WHO should get the job done. Britain, being the democracy that it is, has a democratically elected parliament and government. It was elected by both the No and the YES voters. That parliament includes an opposition and the government is only as effective as that opposition allows it to be.

That’s the great thing about democracy – EVERYBODY gets to have their say. The sad side of democracy is that you can’t please everybody.

Stop getting your knickers in a twist over what’s to be. The quality of good, substantial British knicker –elastic being what it is means you’ll probably strangle yourself in the process.

I feel a song coming on:

Que será  será whatever will be will be, the future’s not ours to see, que será será

Eggy, should we start a choir?

[Canny lass]

On 2017-10-23 at 11:48, mercuryg said:

"...wages + increased fraudulent benefits..."

This had me spilling my coffee this morning.

Me too!

[mercuryg]

"good, substantial British knicker –elastic" - my turnip-picking friends, who are not being sent home when (or even if) we leave Europe much to the dissatisfaction of those who voted Leave, swear by it; all that get down, get up, chuck turnip in the trailer, get down...and so on routine really takes its toll on your waistline. It's no wonder the mile-long queue of locals at the Job Centre have every possible medical condition going the prevents them even entering a field (fielditis, or its close cousin fieldaphobia are the most commonly quoted). Poor souls. I'm pleased, now, that I voted remain, which is what all the Eastern Europeans around here will now do, as I did fear conscription into the upcoming beetroot season uprooting. Now THAT is a bind.

In all seriousness - well, a bit - there's really not a lot to worry about. Life will go on, the sun will still rise and set, and so on. UK businesses will continue to do business with Eurozone pals, and vice versa, and we will continue to be a little island, part of Europe, no matter what happens. That's what always has happened. 

Now, it's a lovely morning here at Tumby Lawn; the sun is out, the sky is clear, the partridges are merrily prancing around, safe in the knowledge they won't get shot on our land because it's not a Monday, and the miniature horses are a joy to watch munching away in the paddock; the limpy goat is still limping, the donkey still has wonderful, enormous ears, and the dogs go about their life merrily, farting with gay abandon, as only whippets can. I'm sure Mrs May would rather wake up to this...

 

 

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

3 hours ago, mercuryg said:

 

In all seriousness - well, a bit - there's really not a lot to worry about. Life will go on, the sun will still rise and set, and so on. UK businesses will continue to do business with Eurozone pals, and vice versa, and we will continue to be a little island, part of Europe, no matter what happens. That's what always has happened. 

Now, it's a lovely morning here at Tumby Lawn; the sun is out, the sky is clear, the partridges are merrily prancing around, safe in the knowledge they won't get shot on our land because it's not a Monday, and the miniature horses are a joy to watch munching away in the paddock; the limpy goat is still limping, the donkey still has wonderful, enormous ears, and the dogs go about their life merrily, farting with gay abandon, as only whippets can. I'm sure Mrs May would rather wake up to this...

 

 

Soon I will have you -  Merc just singing, and dancing with the partridges, in the rainDdoobe Do Do, Doobe Doobe Do Do, what a glorious feeling I'm happy again, just singing, and dancing, in the rain Doobe Do Do, Doobe Doobe Do Do,  Doobe Do Do, Doobe Doobe Do Do,  Doobe Do Do, Doobe Doobe Do Do,

Come on threegee, post a video of yourself singing and dancing in the rain outside a pub near Tumby - The Malcolm Arms ? 

[mercuryg]

41 minutes ago, Eggy1948 said:

 outside a pub near Tumby - The Malcolm Arms ? 

Alas, there are no pubs near Tumby! The nearest is a colossal two miles away, hence my building a brewery in the cellar...and the old stables look perfect for a bar...

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

4 minutes ago, mercuryg said:

Alas, there are no pubs near Tumby! The nearest is a colossal two miles away, hence my building a brewery in the cellar...and the old stables look perfect for a bar...

That's what I thought when I Google Tumby, no pubs! So I picked on the independent name Malcolm, it's just 10.3 miles, via the B1192.  Missed the one a couple of miles away. I blame the wife, she was still telling me I was going the wrong way on Google Street view when she brought my tea + ginger snaps in!!!!! 

[mercuryg]

That's not bad detective work Eggy! I've never been in the Malcolm Arms but am told it is very nice. The Leagate Inn, the oldest pub in the county, is the nearest but I can never find it open, so I trot along to Coningsby for a pint these days - until the cellar is ready, and the Stinky Whippet Brewery is in full swing!

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

7 minutes ago, mercuryg said:

- until the cellar is ready, and the Stinky Whippet Brewery is in full swing!

And here was me expecting The Terrier Otter & Parsnip to be opening in Tumby. 

[Canny lass]

Will he have time to run a pub when he's PM and if so, will it be allowed?

[mercuryg]

45 minutes ago, Canny lass said:

Will he have time to run a pub when he's PM and if so, will it be allowed?

I have no intention of running a pub, just a bar that would open every, say, fortnight on a saturday evening in the (soon to be) glorious surroundings of Tumby Lawn's Old Stable Courtyard, where people can come along, bring their musical instruments and play, or recite poetry or tell stories, or even dance - any performance art in fact. (This is, in fact, a serious plan!) One would make a 'contribution to the cost' on the door and be given a few 'free' bottles of beer, so as to bypass the actual sale of alcohol on the premises, and a good night shall be had by all. Believe it or not, we have a list of people who are waiting for it to happen! My brewery kit is all here, just need to sort the cellar out and get brewing! As for being PM, don't think I could be bothered!

[Canny lass]

Go for it!

I once had a hankering for a floating gin palace at Cambois but it never seemed to take shape.