Ah, well you see Sym the extremist "lesbiongaybisexualtraansgender/Muslim/Christian/black/Pakastani/et al (delete as appropriate)" also shove "down the throats of everybody else" that they are delete as appropriates, and try to represent it as the normal state of being. That's what makes more conservative (with a small c) people nervous; the throat-shovers delight in doing so, and damage their own case by constantly overstepping the boundaries of reason. Apart from that I have to pretty much agree with you - which makes me nervous! @CL: I'm glad we are both thinkers! Of course we'd all help that woman in a burkah, though a heart-attack in a sack would surely be more difficult to identify than if she were wearing normal Western dress. My Italian is indeed terrible, but then again I'm a buyer not a seller, and my supplementary excuses are that I'm English and old. Even official and qualified Italian speakers of English are awful too, and if you want a proper English conversation you seek out an illegal African in transit - which there's no difficulty locating these days. Several times though I've had to restrain myself from intervening in hillarious Italio/German dialogue, where both parties sincerely believe they share a common second language. That's just another reason why the EU is doomed to political failure, though trade, close cooperation, and mutual respect, will go on regardless.