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There you go again Tony, off on a tangent and totally missing the point. My thread was mainly about letting people make their own minds up without being bullied by the 'rent a thug' brigade. You know the type, the ones who supposedly condemn people who use sarcasm, then in the same breath use it themselves. 'Jumped up right wing Tory like Nigel', am I ringing any bells. In fact we'll take it to a different level, your Mr Ed has been relentless in his condemnation of the 'Tax Avoidance' clique, who have obviously been well protected by the powers that be in Westminster. And I include the previous government in this too, they were equally complicit in what was going on during their tenure. But Red Ed continued to go for Cameroons jugular, while all the time his own family had been up to the exact same thing. (Baily Mail) His hypocrisy knows no bounds. However, getting back to what my previous post was all about. It was about brave men and women of this country who died to preserve our freedom, and that freedom includes, among many other things, our independence. Something I think is very precious and should be protected, or as we stand today, be restored. Now if you want to be part of a party that is prepared to continue giving away our sovereignty, law making powers, our right to decide who we can and can't allow in, and bleed us dry financially, you are at liberty to do so. In my opinion you may as well urinate on the graves of all those men and women who died to prevent that ever happening. Finally, my patriotism, which you sneered at, is something you are obviously not in agreement with. Well that is your choice. for me it is a state of mind, passed down through my family. Growing up in a military family makes you like this. Because you were never in the military you probably won't understand.