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  1. You've missed the essential point: everything the politicians have told us has turned out to be the truth standing on its head, so why should we continue to believe them and vote as they say? You are also discounting all the doom and disaster scenarios that were run by us if we didn't adopt the Euro. Politicos just love people with short memories who don't recall really basic things like that (or the impressionable young who don't have any - yet!) Any economist looking objectively at that graph would say that the precise placing of the inflection points are too big a coincidence. Even if other factors did come into play it was a huge coincidence that they did exactly when they did - no? Nothing can ever be known with certainty, but ignoring the best available evidence and proceeding regardless will generally get you into deep water at some point. What you are actually doing is just what the politicians want you to do: opt for the status quo. But there's the really big lie - there is no status quo! It's either a united states of Europe under German domination, or a return to the same sort of trading relationship we had under the EEC. The EUphile politicos don't have the statistics you demand. If they did we'd be bombarded with them incessantly. All they have is the usual empty scare stories of what will happen if we don't do what they want. What statistics there are actually point in the other direction, which is precisely the purpose of my post. i.e the EUphiles have nothing to point to as evidence, and a great deal they want to conceal, but there IS NOW useful evidence to the contrary. So much evidence that many independent economists are coming down on the side of leave. The bright people in the EFA countries have already realised that they are better off with a non-political trading relationship and are praying that we'll join them, even take the leading position. Greenland is prospering since leaving. Regarding your "Does the country suddenly start producing oodles of goods that the rest of the world wants to buy? Or would the rest of Europe continue buying from cheaper markets, as they are now? I think we all know the answer." The UK does already produce oodles of goods (and services) the World wants to buy, We are pretty good at self-deprication but are actually the world's fifth largest economy and forecast to overtake Germany and become the fourth largest before too long. It's what that graph shows: world trade is racing ahead whilst the EU is already declining in importance to us (and in ITS position in the World). EU barriers would actually work in our favour if we left, because we already produce to meet the layers of EU regulation, whilst lower labour cost producers would struggle to replace us. But... here you are falling for the myth that our exports to the EU would be much affected - they won't! Nothing much tradewise will happen for the first two years after our giving notice. During this period there is a treaty obligation for rump EU to negotiate a trade agreement on favourable terms with us. Germany can not afford to drag its feet on this because they have far more to lose than us, and their current growth is anaemic by former measures. The reality is that we'll ultimately get a trade agreement which is pretty much indistinguishable from what we already have, but without all the political twaddle. This is something which the EUphles won't even discuss, because any sort of speculation as to likely outcomes kills their arguments stone dead. Others will ultimately want what we got - that's certain death of all their political pipe dreams!
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  2. You really couldn't make any of this up! He's closely associated with one of the most two-faced b&*&(*s on the face of the Earth, and it looks like she's now making Labour policy! It's truly Christmas every day from now on for duplicitous Dave!
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