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Sorry! We couldn't find the page you've requested You can actually download an early release from here and burn a CD or flash a USB stick with it. There's no free lunch of course, and I think the general idea is to go onto a subscription model. This would help users, as there's no real reason why they have to do anything like so many major releases with all the inconvenience of full reinstalls and all the security key malarkey. This is more a marketing tool than anything - selling the same old code (that you already bought several times before) is a well trodden M$ revenue path. Having said that, now that Steve Ballmer is gone, it does seem that M$ is starting to listen to it's customers, and not simply pretending to listen. The ageing hippie was one of those people that was in the right place (sitting next to Gates) at the right time (the 1970's microcomputer explosion) and would likely be selling insurance otherwise. In a just world Windows 10 would be called Windows SB (Sans-Balmer); as it is they've made the point by simply skipping a digit. I suspect it was the money and power that he really loved. The modern term seems to be "Epic Fail!"

If I tackle all those we'd all be asleep in no time! BUT - predictably - the Winston Churchill line is trotted out again. So... something else Euro which desperately needs "reform" then? Seems all europhiles are budding curates these days, and oh so many eggs!

Our net contribution to the EU budget has been variously computed at £55M to £57M per day. By my - possibly flawed - arithmetic that's just a tad under £40K per minute. Whatever, it is it's huge, and it's ongoing, and we are in for even more out of the blue demands as the EU fails. You can't be sure of any figures with the EU because it is so riddled with graft. EU Budget fails audit test for 18th year in a row I don't know where you get that £4.7BN from (probably the delusional LDs), but it's likely a historic figure now way short of the mark. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11200800/Britains-net-payments-to-EU-soar-by-a-third-in-a-year-ONS-figures-show.html You've also quoted my "we get precisely nothing" out of context. Of course I didn't mean that we got precisely nothing back from our contribution, I said we got precisely nothing for the net contribution. My essential point is that any "EU funding" is illusory because it's our own money back. Lured into an undemocratic European superstate with out own money! The Europhiles would like it all to be reduced to an economic argument where they can muddy the waters, but the argument is far wider. It's essentially about a post-democratic society and rule by elites. It's about diffusing opposition by regionalisation and subsuming national identities, and it's all founded on lies! They can't get it past the people by rational argument, so it's being done by stealth. Put simply it's a rehash of German National Socialism redacted of the ethnic elements. The EU parliament is nothing we in the UK can recognise as a parliament, the EU commission has all the power and rules by directive. Those directives are handed own by self-selecting political elites, and do not result from democratic forces, as in our style of government. I don't buy Malcolm's nod to social legislation either. Malc please quote me something that our own overpaid lawyers couldn't have arrived at independently. The EU principal of one size fits all does not hold in any sphere. I'd like to expand on this but that will do for now.

Our net contribution to the EU graft machine is £40,000 for every minute, of every hour, of every day, of every year, for which we get precisely nothing - except told how to run our country in ways which aren't in our own best interests. LabLibCon all have their noses firmly in the EU graft trough, so why do you have a problem with the fact that the party which British people democratically put there to represent them should claim their "fair" share of the EU booty, and use it in order to defeat the very system which promotes this waste? Go vent your disgust at Labour and Lib Dem who want to keep the payola flowing, and not a party working to get us out of this ASAP! How about a little bet that when Nick Clegg gets chucked out by the Sheffield electors and/or then loses his position as LD leader to Tim Farron he'll be provided with a ridiculously overpaid EU non-job (and a fat unearned pension) within two years. The Fourth Reich looks after its quislings, and the ruling elites look after their own, but only Ukip is committed to redressing the balance in favour of ordinary working people!

I was really upset to hear the devastating news. Keith was a staunch supporter of this community project, and will be sorely missed. My commiserations to his family. There has been a suggestion that we need to do something positive to keep his memory alive, and I'm fully in accord.

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Well... someone had to mention it! No, we'll not do a bring-back-Clarky poll it's already way overdone, and the result is a foregone conclusion. The dilemma for the guardianista riddled BBC is that they need the mungy. They need the audiences to justify their eternal empire building and their constant forays into many areas best done by commercial organisations. They want TG without Clarkson, but TG IS Clarkson! The BBC's true colours were exposed by the unattributed (but semi-official) leak that compared Clarkson to Savile. Yes, a large section of the leftie-luvvies want Clarkson to be exposed as a serial offender who should have been "outed" decades ago. He's actually an offender against their carefully nurtured left-wing delusions, and the whole ethos of twenty first century Beeb. But, he's at liberty and they know he holds all the cards - by their very own standards they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Of course it's THEIR standards that are wrong, but even backed into a corner they'll never admit to that. The result can only be a lame attempt at a face-saving fudge from a once great organisation in rapid and terminal decline. That's the same pattern of terminal decline that the UK will face if their soul mates get into government!

It doesn't have to be a phone. NFC payment in wearables might just be the killer app that manufacturers are looking for. Not too removed from actuality as the watch I'm currently wearing has GSM/3G as well as bluetooth and WiFi. I thought the phone functionality might hit the battery too hard, so, for the past couple of months I've left it in auto on/off mode (i.e. it only turns on stand alone phone functionality if you forget your phone, otherwise becomes the equivalent of a BT headset). This morning I decided to be a bit experimental and left GSM/3G permanently on; so far the battery has stood up surprisingly well despite being in a poor signal area. NFC directly in the watch would seem to be the next logical step (My original Gear has NFC in the charging clip, but it's only intended as an aid to BT pairing). You could easily prime the watch to pay by twisting your arm into an unnatural palms-up. There's already an attitude sensor to turn on the display when you twist your arm the other way; alternatively use a voice command, or button press. No thanks, get enough of the fantasy world occupied by guardinistas these days from BBC Newsnight. Matchstick Katz and dog-end interviewers? Now I know exactly why Paxo quit. He's likely out a tad out on thirteen-year-olds though; 11 3/4 seems to be the current attainment level. Evan Davis still hasn't leaned that talking over interviewees 95% of the time doesn't make for a probing interview. It simply indicates that you hadn't framed the question properly in the first place, and that you aren't really interested in what they have to say in any event.

Curiously not one article I've seen even mentions the old twelve-sided thrupenny bit, though I guess they'll probably have just about the same purchasing value! By 2017 we'll likely be purchasing everything by NFC anyway - maybe! Given how often HMG plans Gang aft agley, isn't the inclusion of a thistle a bit like tempting fate? Much more sensible to have a picture of a nuclear submarine - so that the fishy crew would feel compelled to give them all up.

"A Ukip voter didn't say something. He published it on a web forum." Ah, yes, playing semantics! I'm not a monarchist, and I suspect they are a very depleted breed these days. Though - like most I'd suggest - I see no advantage in other than a little tweaking to the existing order. Too many, and too many hangers on seems to be the general view. But, it's one the royals get and adjustments to accord with public opinion are constantly being made. They always have, and that's why they are still there. The alternatives to a titular monarch don't look too appetising. I'd suggest that's why Australia and Canada have come to more or less a similar conclusion, excepting that they get theirs on the very cheap - always a good proposition, eh Scotland? Let's skip the archaic definitions of treason and look at a transatlantic one (complete with transatlantic spelling). Taking the 21st century definition of sovereign and sovereignty I think that pretty much describes what our politicos have been up to. Or, let's take the Wikipedia one: Let's look at what the last person charged with treason got up to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Joyce Possibly the only person in British history to be convicted of any serious offence because a document - that he wasn't entitled to anyway - was judged not to have expired, though it actually had! Compare and contrast with the real treasonous acts of the present lot! "I do not care as long as they leave me alone" What we all wish for, but they can't and they won't! In fact with the EU we have uber bureaucracy that believes it has a right to intrude on every aspect of our lives by diktat. Legislation isn't driven by any obvious need, but at the whim of unelected mandarins who believe that they can anticipate what is best for us - post-democracy! There's no future opt out possible, and no leave me alone, if you foolishly sit there and allow it to happen.

Amazing how any Ukip voter saying anything automatically becomes party policy. Is the same principal applied to other parties? Is anyone concerned for the Queen because many Labour supporters (including Sym) want her deposed? The logical gymnastics the left goes through to put words into other people's mouths is amazing. Like for instance NF pointing out the traffic jams on the motorway were an obvious consequence of a country that was seriously under-invested in infrastructure given its population ambitions, being contorted into a rant against immigrants. He never said anything of the sort - and neither for that matter did I! You own that illogical extension not me - and it's packaged with the standard hint of Reductio ad Hitlerum. AAMOF I'm seriously against the death penalty for anything. Too many past mistakes by our judiciary for one thing. What I said was the prospect not the enactment. And, it's not a matter of disagreement, it's the reality that the lying toads are very likely guilty of high treason by the standards of our existing law. That law that applies to you and me, and that will be invoked when it suits the establishment, but law that doesn't apply to the Westminster elites - who clearly consider themselves above it! Now please tell everyone why you might suppose that Clegg etc. are not guilty of high treason? That could take the form of some logical reasons as to why we are involved in the EU, and explaining what democratic mandate our politicos have for constantly subverting our legal rights and constitution (whilst lying to us that this isn't in fact happening).

The way the salami-slicing EU has always operated - lies and deceit all the way. So... how about a Gestapo too? Ah, yes, "a full in/out referendum if there is any proposed transfer of power". But not of course the transfers of power that are enacted without anyone noticing. How can the UK public be so mind-numbingly gullible, and would our parent's and their parent's generations have been taken in by this? Somehow I think not. There has to be a prima facie case here for high treason against many of our politicos. I do hope I'm right in believing that it's the one thing the death penalty still applies to. Because, facing a dangling noose is the only prospect we've got that Nick Clegg etc. will ever be persuaded to tell the truth about anything!

Who is ordering the blancmange? They're calling Dave's bluff! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11455163/TV-election-debates-will-go-ahead-as-broadcasters-threaten-to-empty-chair-David-Cameron.html He's getting off the hook with directly facing Nigel Farage though. But, the establishment media are likely more than happy to conceded that one.

That "fat man" is some good after all! Ten minutes to ticket; will this mean a fall in revenue as every second of grace is exploited? I feel an App coming on!

Get used to it, he's the Blue Labour future for sure. And, after cast-iron-promise Dave spins his final porkie, it'll be our Theresa facing Chukkie. Not sure what colour that'll make the Tories - probably ocelot! But, I think Cleggie is first in line for the chop. He really needs to be signing on at the dole right now, but who the... would employ him?. Oh yeah, the European Commission owe him a gong! Can I suggest the Quisling Cross (double variety)?

He's billed as the next Labour leader. Britain's answer to O'Barmy. And.. he's a true democrat who subscribes to the capitalist middle-way. When communist shill Miliband inevitably screws up "Blue Labour" is getting ready to pick up the pieces and present us with a New Old New Labour - this time they'll get it right, you'll see! Britain will finally have its multi-cultural, centrist party that will be all things to all people, led by its very own O'Barmy clone. For now keep quiet and keep the knives sharpened, it could cost us the election. Confused? You will be! But is Chukka really a democrat? Well, he claims to be: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11452752/Chukka-Umunna-Britain-is-no-saint-and-cannot-lecture-China-about-democracy.html And, of course, in true left wing apologist fashion he apologises for our evil past. Always imposing a modern mindset on history, and conveniently ignoring that we led the world into democracy, liberal thinking, and dragged it out of the middle ages - plus huge chunks of it out of outright savagery. But is Chukka the genuine article? I mean is he a real democrat, as he protests? I wonder about the role of the prince of darkness in all this, the king of post-democracy. No, I'm not talking about Teflon Tony, but fool if you think he won't be back when the time is right. My guess is that any correlation between democracy as we know it and Blue Labour is very weak.

But you've just implied that you didn't try my suggestion. Try it! I didn't say it gave you access to deeper levels on the subscription tree - to publish that would probably be um.. illegal. It's one of the simple ways to bypass their very annoying three article lockout, to allow you infinite lives reading normal content, and without registering or receiving all the nags and spam. You can find the headlines to copy/paste here: http://www.ft.com/intl/uk-edition No need to visit cluttered homepage. Rather than manually copy/paste - with Firefox - you can simply highlight and right click, then select search Google for...

It's only for the non-net savvy! Yes, you are going to kick yourself.. Simply paste "nigel farage vows to scrap tax on minimum wage" into google and Big G will provide you with access. Same method applies to any Eff Tee article they won't let you read. pssst... don't tell anyone!

Are you sure the policy isn't racist too? Everything else seems to be! In the pie in the sky socialist paradise it may be possible for all kids to be philosophy students or artists, but that doesn't put bread on anyone's tables. If everyone went to university we'd all starve! Having redefined racist to mean someone you disagree with, you are now attempting to redefine discrimination in relation to common sense economics and giving kids a real future with good earnings prospects! By and large kids don't know what career to pursue - I certainly didn't, and was torn two or three times. A lot of the time they're simply echoing their (often left-wing) teacher's aspirations. They don't have the depth of experience to make much of a choice, or indeed vote rationally (the fact that many adults don't either is quite another matter! ). This, of course, is why it's always "a good thing" to lower the voting age, even though kids will near universally tell you that they have better things to do. The Country needs more practical people (you know the ones who can do, and not the head-in-the-air kind) whether they come through university, technical college, or apprenticeship. So a responsible government should be encouraging that, and not spending our money on producing any more people to chase jobs that don't actually exist, and never will exist. Building aspirations in the full knowledge that they will only be cruelly dashed is what I consider to be applying "obnoxious standards".

I'm not certain if you are going to actually read this Tony, or indeed follow the logic, but I'm going to write it anyway. Let's compare this to chess. A game I'm not good at, maybe because I've never invested any time in it, or maybe because I'm not as bright as most. The game is deceptively simple though, because the rule set is simple and just about anyone can see what's a valid move and what's a wrong'un. That early perception of simplicity is flawed though, because you need to learn to spot developing patterns, and their inevitable outcomes. Whoops I've spotted a simple pattern here. It goes: Minimum wage good (because it's the perfectly obvious way address the problem of low pay) --> I will ask the question what are you going to do about it (because I know I will get an answer I want) --> I will use that to illustrate that only my side hold the moral high ground (and that by implication your side is bad) --> If other side even suggests that I'm wrong, being the upholder of morality, I will attempt to demonise them as positively evil! --> Win argument (feel better about my self, and confirm my own delusions)! But, I'm afraid that's just tawdry socialism in full flow. There are two classes of socialists: those who don't think things through, and those who seek to exploit this for their own social advancement and gain! The first kind need an education in the university of life, and the second kind should be shot for exploiting their fellow man in a much more devious way than any "filthy capitalist" would! I'm being charitable here and am going to suggest that you are the first kind - one of the silly exploited. I've set out a logical explanation for why increasing the minimum wage won't achieve the primary role of putting real money into the pockets of the lowest paid. And, if you can't be arsed to deploy a counter argument then tough, and sorry - I win the argument! Those are the rules of civilised debate, and not the rules of the Lefty bully boys (and blue-haired communist slags) who seek to shout people down, limit the range of debate, and redefine the dictionary. I've also linked you to a Financial Times page which sets out Ukip official policy. That's because I'm not a spokesperson, just someone who has arrived at more or less the same conclusions by using MY OWN head! Try using yours Tony, and stop exploiting your fellow citizens, or at best being complicit in that exploitation! They are not quite as simple as the ruling elites (those truly "obnoxious" people of the mainstream parties) take them for! Oh, and any chance of getting this thread back on to the original topic of WHY are we in the EU? Though we do know what Labour's policy is there: quickly change the subject!

Would surely be, if we were arguing about the Higgs Boson.

So you'll be back with another pay demand in the Summer when the members finally work out how much poorer they'll be in retirement? The problem with a minimum wage is that someone has to pay it, and no one wants the indignity of being on it however high it is ("maintaining wor differentials" as it used to be)! So what happens is that people demand wages they don't really need (hey, you just said it!), and as a result jobs are destroyed - well, those jobs that aren't being filled by illegals anyway. Ukip's policy of putting more money into the pockets of the low paid, by removing it from the pockets of the European ruling elites is cash positive for this country, not trade and jobs negative. And, you are doubly stuffed because even more EU citizens flock here and take the better paid jobs, thus putting further burden on the NHS and other infrastructure; hiking house prices even further for first time buyers, and... need I go on? There is no free lunch! Well.. there is if you "work" for the Brussels machine. Answer me one straight question Tony: WHY are we in the EU? I can provide you with the answers if you are stuck.

The link was provided on post #98 on this thread. Did you miss it because you were so keen to learn about why Harriet Yeo was so P'd off with her position as a TU president? Tell us if you support Ukip's policy to help the low paid (it will be expensive), and what you think of the two Ed's £2BN tax grab at your member's pensions?

The longer you use the Internet the more you appreciate that there's very little new. Things go in two or three year cycles. That just occurred to me when I saw this hot off the press story on the Indy website. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-homer-simpson-discovered-the-higgs-boson-over-a-decade-before-scientists-10079006.html But, I had an inkling that I'd seen it before. In fact I had - a couple of years back. http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/10/29/the_simpsons_and_fermat_s_last_theorem_wizard_of_evergreen_terrace_has_brilliant.html So, this sparked my curiosity as to whether there was an older mention. Well, yes... https://spinor.info/weblog/?p=1591 ...almost five years ago now, and the Independent has used just about the same picture. I know the Indy is going down the tubes, but it could at least have provided linkage to other's material, like the Beeb does.