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A hang-over from "the American people" that we heard with appalling regularity in their election campaign? Now in The International Spin-doctor Handbook? Latest cliché seems to be "It is right to...". Count them!

Good point! I think we need positive discrimination toward ethnic minorities like mermaids. Applying for a grant for an aqua-marine bus (which we'll have to pretend is some other colour, so's not to patronise sea life) with a large rock in the back. We'll use it to tour coastal towns to discuss mermaid issues, and try to "fathom" why they have mobility issues on land. I always had a thing about Torchy - uh, oh, I'm not going there! P.S. Have now found the new, Americanised, Parker, and Lady P. They seem to have done a Barbie on her!

Probably! It was being used as a term of abuse, so we adopted it (capital K please). Intelligent black people - of which there are many - are doing the same with the n-word, though I won't pretend that the k-word was being used anything like as offensively. The result will be that white people will be able to use it again, when it becomes fully neutralised.

Tony, Lavery is an anachronism. If he's not gone this time around he won't be around in 2020. If he had the basic intelligence to realise he was now in the wrong party he'd be worth talking to. If the Labour Party genuinely returned to its roots, and opposed the EU once again, I'd be voting for it for the first time in my life! But, what did the manipulators in your party do? They knew that they could just scrape a third of the vote, so they set the threshold for against at two to one! Now that's real democracy for you! Alex Salmond would give his right arm to get that sort of lunacy accepted. And... let's look at the Tory side of the coin: Yes, I admit it! As a stupid youngster, I swallowed the propaganda too! Note that's exactly the same LabLibCon collusion that goes on today, and exactly the same ("fruitcake and loony") tactics they still use against the people. They can't logically argue the case, so deflect the arguments and use smear tactics. You know what? Those trade unionists (and Benn) were right! But none of them could reasonably have foreseen the sinister political element, which is still on course to remove our country of its sovereignty. But, today we do have "a popular, moderate figure to play the public leadership role", and an national organisation behind him. What's it all in aid of? It's to maintain a ruling elite, and in the case of the EU a supra-national ruling elite. It has nothing to do with improving the lot of ordinary people, and is a travesty of popular democracy. It can only succeed if they can fool people like you into a meek acceptance of their system. But, it gets far more sinister if you take the time to observe where the EU is heading. The buzzword is post-democracy. What that really means is that there is a limited time window for people to come to their senses and fight to maintain popular democracy. How many times have you heard people say "they are all the same"? That's because at surface level no one can miss the truth. But that's the only the level you are permitted to observe. Vote LidLabCon and you are a patsy for the exactly the same trick. The political shenanigans is a illusion put on for mass consumption - it's the same willing mass deception as WWE Wrestling. Do yourself a favour and find out what post-democracy really amounts to!

Think Margate, and South of the end of beyond! Tories have pulled the terribly posh lady MP out and put a disaffected Kipper up as their candidate. Actually he was stupid enough to defect just before the electoral breakthroughs started, on the basis that he'd do better that way. The logic of this totally escapes me, as they are saying to tribal Tories (ones who regard Kippers with arrogant contempt) please chose between a fake Kipper, and the real thing. Maybe they're simply trying to confuse tribal Labour voters into voting Tory? Update: I tell a lie; she wasn't pulled, she quit because politics was too "aggressive" for her.

Woah, token black person, who is also token female, who looks token (pretty) hispanic! Does this represent the true depths of austerity; is this entirely PC I ask? Where are the ugly (Parker) people; where are the upper-class white females? Looking distinctly sexist / waacist / classist already. Petition on the way, and if that doesn't work we'll call Russell Brand for advice on extreme civil disobedience.

I think the sample size is about 1000, and even at the statistical extremes there's a snowball in hells chance that they've both used sound polling methods. My point is that Ashcroft doesn't reveal his polling methods, or indeed who he subcontracts to. People wonder why he splurges millions on polls when the information can be had from other organisations. It's not as if he only transmits his results to the Tories. In fact he's near fanatical about getting closer to the actual result than any of the commercial organisations. The only rationale is that he does this to build credibility, so at really critical times for the Tories he can stuff a result and be believed. Anyway, this is one that can be followed with great interest, though I suspect Ashcroft won't welcome close interest. BTW if anyone believes that I'm being the slightest bit paranoid in showing concern about EU funded propaganda, then there's 30 prominent historians who share this worry:- http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/560743/Pupils-brainwashed-believing-EU-distorted-history-lessons-European-unity EU interference in our democracy goes a lot further than that, believe me! It's becoming positively Orwellian.

You've just invited me to say: OK find me just one that ticks all those boxes? Did I say I wanted "a great big shopping centre"? It would have been nice to have maintained a reasonable selection of retailing though. The sheer volume of through-traffic says this is a reasonable wish.

That really would be a waste of money; there are still enough residents with a mid 20th Century mindset to leave no one in any doubt! Maybe we've got it all wrong and the only way we can establish some common purpose is to wind the clock back the full 150 years and do a living Beamish. Nope, a non-starter - too much competition from the people with all the funding up the road. You know if you wanted to curse a town you'd place it as far away from the centre of a country's power as possible. You'd site it inland of any secondary port town, so that it wouldn't see any international trade. But, you'd still site it tantalising close to a regional capital to drain any regional cultural effort. You'd ensure that the main rail route was diverted away from it it to favour the politics of local aristocracy and land owners, so that historical landed money would be spent in their favoured and posher small town nearby. You'd also arrange that the main highway routed just far enough away to make a stop-off inconvenient, and make the connection to it either painfully indirect or on poor roads. You'd place it in proximity to a slightly larger upstart in the same industry. One that could command a few more votes from any political opposition to the generally ruling party - so that even in times of political change your town had next to no voice. And, just as its principal industry was declining, you'd build half-baked new towns on the other side of it to cull whatever new enterprises could be attracted to the area. Then, just when its shopping facilities were in final decline, you'd arrange for the largest shopping centre in the nation to be built within easy travelling distance. Oh, what have I just described?

The recent Lord Ashcroft poll shows that the Tory can cling on in Thanet South, ergo Nigel Farage can't even secure his own seat, so by extension Ukip has little hope elsewhere. Either Ashcroft is lying, or he needs to demand a full refund from the (always unnamed) polling organisation. Expect lots more Tory dirty tricks between now and election time; they've got most of the media in their pockets, and Labour and the LD's selectively pulling for them too - not to mention the giant EU propaganda machine.

It's not an OR Tony. You can sign the petition AND vote for real change! Kippers don't do standing in the rain chanting slogans. They're for hitting the establishment where it matters - right in their six figure retainers, expense accounts, and fat pensions!

How dare you promote your upstart party here! Everyone knows that Graphene is just a fad, and that a vote for Graphene is a vote for Soot (the nasty, dirty, party that wants to bring back the industrial revolution). Napoleon wanted nothing more than to get his hands on us (because he had irregular balls), but as the one true national party we sent his pathetic troops sliding. Remember Graphite is a moderator; not one of your closet fissionist parties. In fact without us there'd be universal nuclear meltdown! Like Coal, Love Anthracite, Vote Graphite -- the purest and most stable form of Carbon!

Vote Graphite - friction free politics! We draw on all sections of the electorate, and are unarguably the only party that ticks all the boxes. Je suis carbone!

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It's almost cruel to post this, but young and impressionable Green voters really need to know what they are voting for! It's confused gabbling until you get to 4:10 but after that it's a veritable car crash! Thing is that every one of Natalie's interviews ends in a car crash. But, I suppose voting Green is to make you feel good, and nothing at all to do with rationally addressing real world problems. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzGyEXPDQBI

It's OK, if the Tory party don't manage to sneak a refund for C4's Ofcom fine, the EU will simply up the C4 propaganda allowance public information subsidy. (Other people's) Money well spent for both!

I suspect that MyURL.co.uk may actually own morpeth.co.uk and choppington.co.uk if not certainly several other surrounding toons. So, it would be as significant as the Chronicle advertising the Journal. Why aren't they active you say? Well.. just at the moment, no one can be ah said!

Malc has since posted the BAE video on another thread. From the horse's mouth about the 33 page strategy document: He's talking about immigration, but real elephant in Labour's room is the EU. Their calculated bet is that ordinary people don't realise the implications, the drain on our resources, and the way it severly limits any government's freedom to act in our best interests.

Do you enjoy being patronised and taken for granted by the Westminster elites pilgrim? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/labour-mp-austin-mitchell-even-if-we-selected-a-raving-alcoholic-sex-paedophile-we-wouldnt-lose-grimsby-10061754.html Lots of people in Rotherham would say that a Labour vote is a vote for paedophilia by proxy, and they have plenty of evidence on that score! The authors of this survey have clearly gone to a lot of trouble to ensure objectivity - well it worked for you, but you seem to have problems when it works for others. What they can't address is whether those policies are capable of being realised, and the bona fides of the people charged with that. You'll probably agree with me that in Cameron's case that's highly unlikely as he's a proven serial liar. You won't agree with me that in Labour's case it's equally unlikely, because Miliband/Balls will tank the economy in no time, and it will become "a global problem" once again. Of course they will also have the Scot Nats to blame this time around; they don't need to go there, but in their lust for power a minority Labour government certainly will. Symptoms: you should be cheering on the Kippers South of Birmingham. The reality is that Ukip is now the only national party capable of uniting the country. That country being England of course! I fear that LibLabCon has done for the union for good now. That's not to say Ukip has written Scotland off; a decade or so of "the fishy duo" will bring them to their senses, and a lot of the silly impressionable youngsters that are their main constituency will grow up.

I suspect NF would have difficulty doing too much better than 90% Kipper, because all his views don't align with party policy. But that's in the nature of a properly democratic party - something we haven't actually had for decades! I had difficulty on the marijuana question, but opted to allow for medicinal use. It's something we really need to have a debate about, and probably carry out some serious and scaled experimentation with, rather than come up with the usual dogmatic responses. If I'm 68% LD on economic issues does this mean the LD's have now settled on the sane course of leaving the EU at the earliest opportunity? I think the real issue is that LibLabCon are essentially undemocratic and there's really no prospect of them either doing - or being able to afford - what they say they will do. Look only to the last election to see the string of broken undertakings that we can expect. All three are essentially boxed in by their commitments to the EU, and mega-spending on other aggrandisements.

Ed has another silly idea - Labour Party shadow cabinet meeting:

Don't let the facts (or even an actual Country) get in the way of a good old leftie wacist wacist chant boys! So.. a guy who is not a Ukip party member was once photographed having a drink with Nigel Farage. He was recently photographed in an underground carriage in Paris in which some people were proclaiming that they were racists, and are shown pushing a black guy. There is no suggestion that this identified person was involved in the incident, and a non-English work colleague testifies that "He is not that type of person at all" But, by the pythonesqe thought processes that occupy our left wing, it can be readily determined from the chain of events that Ukip is a racist party. What a weird and wonderful fantasy world you guys live in? There's actually a Latin term for this and it's Reductio ad absurdum you've already deployed the Reductio ad Hitlerum specialisation. In fact you've probably just invented a whole new one: Reductio ad Compotor!

You're right Tony! Here's one of our high-fly-ing future Prime Minister. Why should England tremble?

Glad you raised that bit of establishment propaganda from the fully-bought-and-paid-for C4 Sym. I think C4 is in some sort of competition with the Beeb as to who can lick the establishment's boots the cleanest! Maybe their charter is coming up for renewal? We are told the program was the result of extensive research. Pity that research didn't actually reach to reading the EU treaties which stipulate that we must give two years notice of leaving, and that during that two years there must be negotiations offering us trading agreement "on favourable terms". But, the C4 propagandists want us to believe that an aerospace manufacturer (who is partly British owned anyway), is going to close a major production facility in a matter of weeks without knowing the result of those "on favourable terms" negotiations concluding two years hence. Have you the remotest idea of what lead times are in the aerospace industry, and how disastrous it would be for Airbus to get involved in raw politics like that? The facts are that UK/EU trade is overwhelmingly in the EU's favour and they'd have to treat us with the greatest of respect in trade negotiations. A move like the lefty writers at C4 hope for to suit their dumb prejudices could end up tanking the German economy, especially in its present fragile state. Yes, we are by far the biggest export market for German producers in the entire EU, and we could, if we were so inclined, turn to other markets without much transitory affect on our own economy. Of course we aren't so inclined, and neither is any sane pan-European enterprise. The only insanity is the headlong plunge toward a European superstate that the idiots at C4 clearly wish on us! So... it's utter BS, which will be viewed in future years with the same hilarity as those dire doom and disaster warnings about what would happen to the UK if we refused to join the Euro! Did you fall for those too? Any dispassionate economic analysis always comes to the inevitable conclusion - better off out! Only the huge EU propaganda machine (funded by our own money), in alliance with international capital that doesn't like paying UK taxes, puts out messages to the contrary.