HIGH PIT WILMA

Malc,I am a long time old muso,but never heard of Spike. THAT is the most awesome-sounding track! I fully expected Mick starting up,with Keefy's slide axe following![backing is spit of Nicky on piano,Charlie and co ....ghosting for Spike!] Off-topic,but it blew me away!! God created some wonderful talent amongst us! Thanks for posting,it did mankind a lot of good....Bigg Market..etc!

Mods and Rockers aal owa again....![if you get me jist..!]

A bit late of finding oot,but hope ye have had a very happy birthday,Merc! Ya still a skittering yung ched wi a snotty nose,yit,man youngin! Aam a teetotaller,but if a was a drinker,a wudd've bowt ye a pint forst time a seen ye,ti celebrate! AAL THI BEST MATE!

Hi Maggie! It's a 1960's Royal Enfield 500cc single, Cafe Racer,from the days when you put a record [45 rpm vinyl disc...for the unititiated!],on to the Jukebox,in your local cafe,then raced through a set route around the town,and had to get back to the cafe,before the record finished playing. Considering most records averaged just over two minutes,if you were lucky,it was a feat in itself!....and one of the reasons why bikes are now restricted to 125cc for learners,we have to wear crash helmets,etc,and speed limits rediculously slow in some parts ...because of the tragic results of some of these activities. I know all about it,and watched my mates do it,[and strangers in other towns..],but never did it myself,it was a cult follower thing,and I have never in my life,been a "follower"...I am a Leo...!! [i do my own thing..] Ye aalwis get a story heor,ye knaa ,Maggie,a canna just answer ye wi two words!

Hi,Maggie! As I think,[not sure!],I mentioned was it not the Archbishop of Canterbury,or sum very high Church official,[sure it was him!],when the big Tsunami struck and wiped out thousands of people,This Church man said the catastrophe actually made him question his own faith in God. I think he must have been,like all of us,so overwhelmed with grief for these poor people,that the remark slipped out,and was plastered all over the media,the next day. He then appeared live on a debate,and again,said how he felt,without shame,about his faith. This is checkable,and not just wild journalistic licence,this was from the nag's gob! Disasters like that must surely make everyone wonder where God was,but,as I always say to my Wife,ex-catholic,with no faith in God whatsoever after the tsunami,...."Suffer little Children..to come unto Me.." That is the famous answer,to get God off the hook!

Heh heh,Adam,that soonds like it came stryght from aan aad pitmmen's gob!! Methinks some things rub off onto wa offspring withoot wi realising it!! Nice one Marra![ we aal knaa it's ownly a bit o' banter....divvent wae?]

Spot-on again Maggie! You will always have the negatives,part of physics.....pity,I always see a glass half-full! Too many dooners,we only have one innings,we shud be grateful for having the best County in Britain..! The only people who pull it doon,are those who haven't even been aroond and seen hoo luvly it is...away from the pub! Was waaking little black Jess doon the Wanny river the other day,[another luvly place for families wi kids],and got on,as ye dae,taakin ti a stranger with her little dog. Luvly lass,she had her own place over in Spain,somewhere,for a lot of years,and has recently sold it and started to holiday in this Country,with a touring caravan. She and her husband were blown away with the Lake District,for starters,but didn't know where the best places north of Ashington were. They were going to go up the east coast of Scotland,in the summer,but my Wife and I advised them,that it has to be the Cheviots ,first,cos they liked walking,then go up the West Coast of Scotland. We toured this country length and breadth,for over twenty years,[never been abroad,or even on a plane,except Concorde,but that's another story!] and have never had the inclination to want to travel to Spain,or wherever,and spend a fortnight in heat so intense that it would kill me,and lie lazily by a pool,or the beach. What suits one,doesn't suit another,but when I used to go up the Glencoe pass,or go over to Skye,or Mull,or Fort William,it used to beat me,when I came back to work,and marra's who had been abroad,had a fortnights bad weather,or it was too hot,and they had to stay in the shade...usually a pub! Me being a tee-totaller,and a walker and hiker,who loves nature,failed to see the attraction of other countries,when ours is the most beautiful,cos you can go into it without an armed police guard,or don't need to be a mountain climber!!

Howway Tony,leave the pits oot o' it in that context,if it wasn't for the miners,none of you would have had ships to sail in,only canoes,and you wouldn't have any bullets to fire........ Coal fuelled the industrial revolution,at a cost of thousands of miner's lives,including kids as young as six years old,in the old days. Let's have a bit of peace and respect,and carry on argying just the syem.....!!

Luk lads,aam an aad pitman,in case ye didn't knaa.............!! In a hostile environment,where ya marras were getting injured,[or "jaaped"],and killed,every other day,which all went unnoticed,tensions sumtimes ran high doon there,and ye cud have a gud faal-oot wi sumbody,and five minutes later ye were sharing a pinch of snuff,as if nowt had happened...nae huffs,or "lips" as we referred ti them!. Noo that me feet's on solid grund ,wi a gud "top",a like ti think tha's nae reason for tensions ti run high! So aav been enjoying the crack here,especially Aad Sym,[you're hilarious,Sym,you remind me of one or two aad Marra's from me pit days..gud cracks,but they couldn't half turn the crank-handle!!] Let's keep the debate gaaning withoot grief,and aam nearly converted here,even though aam not politically-motivated, tha's a LOT of sense in the kipper's policies,that aav read aboot...if only they wud carry them oot ti the hilt! We gotta stand up ti Brussels...but a really think it's too late,too much power has been lost,and too much damage done. Whey that's my smaa' two-pennorth,fo' wat it's worth...!

It's queor,ye knaa,but aal thi folk aa knaa,who are "Born-again-Christians"[Evangelists-Billy Graham followers],winna even listen ti my theory or beliefs,even though I only make them known when required,such as on this discussion.I never start on aboot religion to them,but they always try to convert me to theirs,saying My beliefs are of the devil.. [....oh!..there's one we haven't touched on!!] But every Jehovah's Witness I have encountered,usually at my doorstep..!!,DO at least,let me explain what I think aboot the whole affair. The answer I got from a few of the Evangelists,upon me questioning the bible,was,"we don't question the Bible..we accept God's word without question.."! When I suggested that I felt that I was as good a christian as a lot of hypocrytical people who are church-goers on the face of it,to achieve social status and acceptance,like our Politicans,etc....cos I will do owt to help anyone,and wouldn't harm anybody...[unless they harmed me..."eye for an eye.."!],I was told that helping people doing good etc,doesn't make you a christian. So what does?....I asked! "You need to commit yourself to Christ in front of a witness"....IN FRONT OF A WITNESS!! Can I not commit myself in private?....no,I will still go to hell..! Whey aav telt ye aal,a believe Jesus waaked this earth,he was a top bloke,did gud,like me,but he was visitor from a far off land!! "..and there were giants in those days....and they came from far-off lands....."[never been explained...that one...1 Noo!..aboot this here Devil! My young Son is very well-read,and educated in lots of subjects,a lot which has been self-gleaned. He tells me that Satan was ,in fact ,a "fallen Angel"..[not being a feathery sort-just a bloke in a band of others,with different ideas,didn't conform,was cast oot... A dinna believe in any angels,but a dae believe in the spirit world,[which is regarded as being Satanic,by those whom I know to be "born-again" One friend,shuddered and reprimanded me when I said I had been to the spiritualist chapel one night....... "You shouldn't go there,it's of the devil.."..... Aam 70 yrs aad,who's ganna tell me what a shud or shuddn't dae wi me aan life?!! Having said "believe",tek that ti mean,aam interested,in the supernatural,but a sit reet in the middle,and winna commit mesel to owt like the true "believers" dae!! Aam a mekkin' sense heor noo?

I think there was a lot of Opium and other recreational substances,knocking around,in them days,folk who were high as kites stood on soap-boxes later on,and told tales of wondrous things and places they had been and seen...on the backs of snorting fiery dragons!

Very interesting links,Pete,but,like everything else which we are discussing here,written by man,and man's theories...which boils down to the fact nobody really knows,and everyone just either researches somebody else's theories,or invents their own,like me! It's nice to have an image in your head of how you think it was back then,cos the likes of me,not being an atheist,who believes in Jesus,and the good that he did,still have a faith,that all this didn't happen by accident...even the spacemen had to be created! Now today they were on about the big bang that happened,billions of years ago,that created our universe.....I definately don't accept that theory! There we go!....the most intelligent,skilled ,experienced folk on the planet,our scientists,can create a big bang..!!..a nuclear one,but still they only say what they THINK happened!! By,aam an aakwaad bugga in me ways of thinking sumtimes!

By hell! [no pun!],what a difference is shown between the aad Whitley Schyuul,and Grammar schyuul educashuns!! Fascinating stuff here ,lads,aam learning by the minute,even though the theory of men in feathery wings remain in my mind to be complete misinterpretations,of what actually happened,in biblical times,by peasants,[or even intelligent people],who would never have been able to understand what they were witnessing.! A few years ago,[maybe a GUD few years ago,]a helicopter crashed in Aborigine land,somewhere very remote,[Ahem...so I read!!]... ....and the local tribesmen were on their knees worshipping it...they thought it was their God come to visit them......pretty much the same as Jesus walking around the place doing gud deeds for the folks. Something else puzzles me,and mind,aam not so well-educated as ye lads and lasses,but a hae half a brain,ti think wae,and that is.... ..if Jesus was born in the manger,and recognised to be the Son of our Lord God,by all the people who travelled from far off lands,why the jump from a baby,to an adult being crucified? I was never taught anything about the whole of his life,on earth,and I mean the whole of his life,and I have never seen anything in the Bible,which chronicles his lifetime acheivements,other than the famous ones!! Do I need to go back to Bible-reading classes think ye?!!

Heh heh! Happy days eh,Maggie?...nice to look back on!

Simple Pete! Whey,a wudn't say gettin' sucked in was the reet way ti luk at it,more of thra'ain' off the blinkers that ye've worn since ye sucked ya dummy! [not YE,Pete,figure of speech!] The God thread is covering aal this debate aalriddy,so it's pointless repeating me opinions,but suffice ti say,we gotta look to further horizons,and not believe ivrythin' we've been brainwashed wi,since we were born! What was proven to be not true,Pete?..an' WHO.supplied the proof?!.[ye got me puzzled theor,naebody's claimed owt to BE true!!...we only put forward wor opinions,and theories,and we either agree,or disagree,simple as that!] Ye believe the Bible in it's entierity,withoot question,or ye have other beliefs,like me,disnae mek me any less of a man,only less of an ignorant man! [ignorant as in dictionary-not derogatory!] As I keep saying......Time will tell!![but a wish thi bugga wud hurry up afore aa dae,an' aam not heor ti see it!]

There's me tellin' ivry bugga a meet,when aam oot wi little black Jess,[me four-legged little darlin'!],that thi Bedlintin forum site is a great peaceful place ti spend an 'oor or two.....wi nae insultin' behavior etc.......... ......let's tek a lesson from the God thread,aboot having a democratic debate!!

Heh heh! Wat an interesting spring were gonna have,I hope there is a big bucket ready to be put inside the council offices,accompanied by a few violins! I know one thing for sure,burnt fingers take a lot of pain,and a lot of time to heal!! ME.....aa knaa nowt aboot politics,so aal stick ti pitwark! Sym...master of alliteration!......as well as metaphors! We had a saying doon the black hole....."It's not my job ti gaan roond shooting stinking fish"....!....[shooting=shouting!]

Folks,just back in from Jess-walkies! ....where was I? Aye,aam just thinking,a hope all ye canny folk dinna think,that aa think,that visitors built the pyramids outright!! It gaans withoot sayin' that the Egyptians,Romans ,Greeks,and all the others,were brilliant engineers,astronomers,etc...! My theory and belief is that they had massive help in thier education,and physical,mechanical help in the building of the pyramids. Iv'e never been abroad in my life,but even just visiting St Paul's cathedral,Westminster Abbey,and hundreds of ancient churches throughout the lengh and breadth of our own country,has left an impression of awe in me. You stand and look at the gorgeous woodcarvings,plasterwork,gilting,etc,and wonder,just how did they do it? When I left the Pits in 1987,I attended a re-training course in carpentry and joinery,at Felling. Among the the other courses was a Stonemasonry one. It was the the only course which,for obvious reasons,was held out in the open,with just a port overhead to keep the lads dry-ish....a bit! One of the lads explained to me what the course procedures were,exercises etc. One of the first things they had to learn,was how to carve a sphere from a cubic block of stone. I watched this lad every day,at different times,as I was passing,etc,and slowly saw a sphere take shape,with every drop of sweat that poured from his brow,in the middle of the 1987 winter,which wasn't a particularly good one!He was freezing,and sweating,at the same time. I realised what it must have been like for the masons of old who would have had arms and shoulders,that you wouldn't want to mess with! As I became a proficient and quite skilled cabinet-maker,I worked with the best wood-carvers you could wish to watch! One fella,called David Majors,[it's ok to say his name..],was awarded Britain's best carver,after winning a national competition run by a major[no pun!]woodworkers magazine. He brought his winning project into the workshop for me to see,and I was awestruck. It stood about 18 inches high,and was a Falconer,standing with his bird on his wrist,and his labrador by his side. It was carved from the photograph on the back of the "Barbour" coat manufacturers catalogue..[in Alnwick] The Falconer's grainy,weather-beaten face,the Falcon's beady eyes and vicious looking beak,and claws,the eyes of the Labrador,and mostly,the folds of the coat...all so realistic,you expected them to move any minute!! Why all this story? Just to remind folks who say "aye,we haven't got the craftsmen like there was in the aaden days...."! We HAVE! But back to the pyramids,other things that are astounding,no mess or curvings anywhere inside the building,a dust-free atmosphere inside the king,and queen's chambers,paint that hasn't discoloured in the abscence of daylight,like my skirting boards have in dark corners of the rooms....[google why paint goes yellow in darkness!!] Tutankamun's face mask is as gorgeous now as the day that it was made...who learn't them how to smelt gold and other metals? Can you remember when a coachload of tourists were blown up on the road over to the great pyramid,a few years ago? Well,my oldest Son was on that coach,fortunately,it was the week before that tragedy. They stopped tourist trips for a while,but also for another reason... The heat and humidity from so many bodies passing through,plus the heat from the lighting,had started to degrade the wall paintings,and restorative treatment had to be done. Bed-time already...again![1-10 am!] Last word!,Men,[and Ladies,and cherubs!]all with white dresses and feathery wings........no-one has given me a decent explanation....yet![i don't go for the usual religious explanation that you have to know how to interpret the meanings of the Bible!] Tell you what,we all missed our vocation!!,but Billy Graham didn't!! "How to become a millionaire...[billionaire?]..in ONE easy step-!"....[and THAT was one SMALL step for a man!!]

Canny Lass,methinks we are going have a bigger frying pan than a fire....in May.....and MIrreil Matheur [spelling?]....her lyrics may have to be re-written!

Canny Lass..this is gonna be the most interesting May we will hae seen fo' a lang time!! Malc,you just made my night posting that vid of Chris! Aav adored that song since a first heard it in 1989,but nivvor seen any videos of it.My Wife and myself saw Chris at the Whitley Bay ice rink in concert,years ago,and he sang and played that song just as it is on the record...stunning! A aalwis thought it would have been very controversial,to the religious community,and raise hackles,but it's a much-played Christmas song nooadays!! Jesus the spaceman visiting his offspring,baby Jesus.[Joe being his stepdad] Mr Jesus would travel at such great speeds,and distances,that 2000 yrs of our time might just be next week ti him...who knows? Merc,many years ago,my Wife recorded a tv documentary [on old VHS tape!!],about a team trying to lift big stone blocks with levers and hand operated block and tackes,to try and simulate the work of the pyramid builders,and overcome the tasks involved. They got absoloutely nowhere,but I switched it off,cos it was a trash production...very amateur! I said earlier that I never watch telly,meaning everyday trash,but if my Wife records a sensible programme,such as space,science,or anything educational,and She knows my interests,then I will find time somehow,to watch it,usually this time of the morning,after all my commitments have been completed..[i don't call them "chores"-looking after my wife....cos it ain't a chore...it's a commitment!]. Pil,you and merc are starting to leave me behind,with your knowledge heor noo,I don't know about the Chartes cathedral,but will google it tomorrow night and learn about it..!! Wonderful tool is google!! Before I leave for bed,can I just say,opinions differ in people,and it makes no difference what any of us think,or who wrote what,cos at the end of the day,we have no absoloute proof,cos we weren't there!! Time will tell!! Like Neil Armstrong said in an interview on the radio a year or two back,on accusations that he never stepped onto the moon's surface............ "Say what you like,but one thing you can't change,my footprint is there,and time won't shift it.....only another human being who goes back.....!" Now what happens if the Chinese,or the Russians [especially!],get to the moon,before the Americans,in due course?.......poor Sam is in a no-win situation!! Oh!,and when he reported to Houston,that.."we are not alone",[having seen lights on the horizon],Houston replied..."You never sent that report...clear?"

That makes the stone even heavier! Yeah,it's logical,and do-able,on a reasonable scale,Pil,but we aren't talking about a coalcutter here! Remind me please,how high the Pyramid is? I googled Daniken,sure he was a thief,did time,nowt to do with his theories,not defending his criminal record,I just see that as distinct. It's in me to think as an individual,and not a follower,never was a follower,not even when I was a kid....did my own thing,and at my age,I am exactly the same,I believe in what I think is right,and don't try to make others follow my thinking!!...like some religious fanatical organisations do....! Discussion is a different thing,we put forward our ideas ,compare notes,and generally have a gud time! Noo,has anybody got any ideas why technology and education only appeared overnight,from being cavemen,so to speak ,and only in the far eastern parts of the world. I don't see any massive temples or other architectural achievements on a mighty huge scale in our little island,apart from the Penshaw monument of course...........!! Nothing here to suggest high levels of intelligence from 4000 years ago........or am I missing something? [please don't correct me on Penshaw!!!!!] Stonehenge? Various standing stones of unknown origin? Not exactly what I am thinking of! I am very willing to be educated on such matters.

Sym,that seems spot-on to me!! The more you think about it,the more logical it becomes. The Vatican is the richest place on earth...why? My youngest Son married an Italian lass a few years ago,[now divorced...that's irrelevant!] I said to her one day,that I would love to have a poke around the vaults underneath the Vatican... She replied in a quiet ,very serious tone of voice,"Beely,you wouldn't get within a mile of them.." "Why not" "The Mafia woood keeel yooo...they control everything to do weeth eet" "eet eez weell-known..and no-one dares ask any qestions or say aneetheeng about eet" "The Mafie are everywhere..peeeple are afraid" Jesus was humble,and walked barefooted,his followers are ruled by fear![fear of God.....that they may not be saved?.......] When I was very young,I was told that most of Bedlington was owned by either the C.OF.E Vicarage,or the Catholic Church. How much was that true!