miss vic you speak the truth, I'd much rather we weren't arguing...when I'm not shattered and capable of formulating a sensible post, I will. I just wanna get along. I've had stuff removed because I have called into question other board users intelligence/parentage/reputed level of education and I can see the logic behind the moderators actions in removing it. It's not personal, I've not felt particularly like my rights have impinged upon because those are just the rules of the board I'm posting on. Learning, experience and a willingness to take people as they come has stood me in good stead so far...let's see if we can foster that kind of attitude on here...in all the boards I've been on, this has been the worst for flat out insults and general character assassination, but I refuse to give in...this is one of the places where we get to stick our head over the parapet, and at the minute it doesn't look very pretty. Whey, it's worth a shot!