2014 English Local Election Discussion Thread

[Brett]

Sunderland votes are just in and UKIP getting 24% of the currently counted votes.

 

Bearing in mind that they came from a 0% from last year to beat the tories.

 

This is still a labour area with 47% but that's a hell of a rise for UKIP but still waiting to see if any seats are to be taken.

 

After all 1 seat is 100% more than they had this time last week.

[Malcolm Robinson]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27531094

[threegee]

The biggest shift in politics in living memory.  It gives the lie to the rationalisation that UKIP is only a bunch of disaffected Tories.  That may have started the ball rolling, but Labour voters are now joining them in droves.  Labour should have been piling on votes, but in places have lost control of councils to the Tories. So, Cameron's ploy that voting for UKIP can only lead to a Labour victory is also full of holes.

 

The telling thing is that only 24% of committed Labour voters think that Miliband is competent.  They have to notice that Gordon Brown's always-wrong architect of economic failure Ed Balls is still there when he should have been long since retired.  The trades unions still control Labour, and they are totally out of touch with Labour's new electorate, which is increasingly new immigrant.  Labour's flood-gate immigration policy of packing out its voter base at the expense of traditional Labour supporters has been rumbled.  As the black UKIP guy in Croydon says, they've use the racist name-calling card against concerned and decent folks so much that it has ceased to have any meaning.  Established immigrants are rumbling Labour too; the very values they came here for are being undermined by all the parties.  That significant numbers of upwardly mobile immigrants are also turning to UKIP should be no surprise.

 

The absurdity of Labour's loony left was no more clearer illustrated than the sixty-year-old Jewish lady who'd lost most of her ancestors in the holocaust being shouted down as a "racist" for simply expressing support for her adopted country.  The left-leaning liberal elites (the grown-up loony left) which still control our major media have a lot to answer for, and what we are seeing is as much a judgement on them as it is on our out-of-touch politicians.

 

Is anyone now in doubt that we have a social revolution taking place?  The wealth generators are taking back control of our country from the chattering classes who dissipate and mismanage that wealth.  The LabCon divide and conquer strategy is no longer fit for purpose!  This has left many people confused, but the penny will drop there too.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Is anyone now in doubt that we have a social revolution taking place?

 

Is there?  

 

Its at a snail's pace if there is, certainly in this neck of the woods!   

[threegee]

Well... it's not lost on the bulls!  They are wising up to being taken for granted too! 

 

 

Normally I'd make a remark like the Spanish idiots deserve a tiny bit of their own bull treatment, but that would be entirely non-PC and possibly Spanishist - so I will desist, and hope they get well soon!   Yes, I will keep my "Eu-racist" remarks on ice for the snout-in-troughists in Brussels - or is it Strasbourg this week?

 

But you know it CAN be reformed!  Do tell me more about this Nick!

 

 

Yup, looks like those are people who are gagging for reform!

[Malcolm Robinson]

Results:  (NE)

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu-regions/E15000001

[threegee]

The Euros of course.

 

The biggest mass political shift in 104 years - it has been a long time coming!

 

Very close to a second UKIP MEP and beating Labour here. Country-wide it wasn't the close contest the polls predicted, UKIP stormed it!  The party is now attracting more Labour voters than Tory ones, so Cameron's ploy that voting UKIP lets in Labour is sunk.

 

That makes a lot of sense as Labour voters have been disproportionately disadvantaged by the influx of foreign labour from the EU.  We are going to see a UKIP manifesto that's far more in tune with former Labour voters than anyone would have imagined.  There are still masses of thinking Labour supporters who are yet to see things as they are in the 21st century (the real class-war against the London-liberal-elites), but not that many more Tory eurosceptic votes to pick up.

 

Over 13,000 votes for the bogus UKIP in Sunderland though.  How thick is not even reading the ballot paper properly? And those were some of the more intelligent Labour voters!  Yes, a lot of work to do yet!

 

Far closer than anyone would have predicted in Welsh Wales, and that hasn't been affected yet anything as much as Eastern England by the immigration tide.  Salmond's nose put out in Scotland too.  He claimed that UKIP was unelectable there.

 

Altogether a very good day for freedom, popular democracy, and our country.  The chattering classes are now really rattled!

 

Goodness, I didn't even mention the LDs!  Commiserations local LD's, but you know what you need to do.  Yes, you were right to do what you did, but that is not what you are being punished for.  You are being punished for playing politics in times where people are educated enough to see right through the ploys.  If you'd very reluctantly supported the government ONLY for the sake of national stability you wouldn't be getting it in the neck now.  But your lot chose to punch way above your weight, block essential reforms like the boundary changes, and claim "credit" for other things.  Well, when you claim credit you also claim blame.  The same lack of clear thinking extends into your policy on the EU.  Become the party of maybe (on the right conditions for the UK), and you will become a political force again.  Even UKIP is prepared to be flexible if the terms are right *and* we get what your bunch of Europhiles originally sold to us, but you're now treating the electorate with the same contempt as the other two lots!

[Adam Hogg]

Looks like people in general are sick of politics a 34.19% turnout and only 4 parties got an increase in votes more then last year that is:

UKIP up 10.99%

Labour up 9.67%

Scottish National Party up 0.34%

and Socialist Party of Great Britain up 0.02%

Everyone else has fallen or stayed at 0%

[threegee]

Looks like people in general are sick of politics a 34.19% turnout and only 4 parties got an increase in votes more then last year that is:

UKIP up 10.99%

Labour up 9.67%

Scottish National Party up 0.34%

and Socialist Party of Great Britain up 0.02%

Everyone else has fallen or stayed at 0%

 

That's actually disastrous for Labour, and a pretty good turn-out for the Euros.  Labour are coming off an all time low after Gordo's little binge, and should have done far far better.  Only in London are they holding their own, and it's not hard to see why.  There's now a disconnect between their "multi-ethnic" support base in London, and traditional Labour supporters in the rest of the country.  They are blaming Miliband, but that's not even half the story.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Could be time to marginalise London so it either steps into line with the rest of the country or the rest of the country ostracise's it.  

[threegee]

This will never happen.  Far too many people with too much to lose.  I mean Eastern European domestics are already far too expensive.  Those nasty unwashed UKIPers in the provinces will put the price of "help" through the roof, they don't even have any colour sense!

[Malcolm Robinson]

  Maybe time to 'annex' our own capital and capital! 

 

You can't have one small area so out of step with the rest it's untrue, especially when it is supposed to be exemplary of the country as a whole.

Maybe they really do think themselves Burgundians………AKA 'Passport to Pimlico'.    

[threegee]

It's now an entirely different world inside the M25, and I'm not talking about the obvious things like the gleaming mosques. Someone mentioned the other day that over 200 more skyscrapers had received planning approval. The EU aren't funding any of those.

 

Seems like you can't have the capital of the world, and the capital of your own country, in the same place.  Birmingham is out for me, so let's turn England around and balance things up.  Moving parliament to Newcastle would mean we could keep a much closer eye on the b'tards, and wouldn't half stick it to Salmond!

[Malcolm Robinson]

That'ill never happen if the Jocks cut loose.  

 

Somewhere around Haltwhistle is about mid UK mainland.  In fact I think there was a middle of the UK cafe there if I remember?  Certainly a marker.  

 

Mid England would be around Derby/Nottingham?  

[threegee]

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Mid England would be around Derby/Nottingham?  

 

Isn't that Watford (gateway to the North)?

 

Cleggy under a lot of pressure to go.  He's refusing, so it's now a battle of wills inside the LDs.  Other parties must be praying he wins!

[willy j.]

Just goes to show that Labour and the Conservatives were not listening to what is important to the people of this country. Isn't it strange that they wait until they get a bloody nose before they suddenly wake up and say; 'we hear what the people say, and we will address it.'

 

What they haven't woken up to, is the fact that the people can see right through their mealy mouthed words, and don't believe them any more. This is no 'protest vote,' it is real, and its happening right now. And it will grow until we have a party in power that will take the UK back from Brussels. And more bloody noses will follow.

 

As a member of UKIP Wansbeck branch, I am so proud of what we have just achieved. It was hard work, and in the run up to the General election it will be even harder. But we are aware of that, and we're ready. What makes me even more proud though, is that we didn't stoop to the level of the other parties with their dirty tricks and hired thugs. That alone tells me I have made the right choice.

 

Anyway, if there are any of you out there who voted for us, on behalf of the Wansbeck branch I would like to say a big thanks, and hope you stick by us.

[threegee]

The problem seems to be that here we aren't actually going to get a choice.  I'm talking about Nige's "targeted strategy" - I'd imagine that we are pretty low on the list of winnable seats?

 

An interesting observation: If there'd have been even the slightest truth in what Nick Clegg said about business being damaged by an EU withdrawal, and his talk of it "causing uncertainty" then just at this moment there'd have been market meltdown. Markets have been even more twitch than usual recently, and hate uncertainty. In fact after the results the markets have ticked up slightly, and are at near record highs!

 

Something else the LDs don't want you to know is that there is actually a clause in the EU treaties we signed which provide for a withdrawal. It requires the rest of the EU to do a trade deal on favourable terms.  We could build on this to involve other EU countries that see the world as we do, and so deliver the sort of free trade area we were all promised when we voted for "The Common Market".  Hey, let's call it The Common Market!   This isn't going to happen under a Europhile prime minister from either the Tories or Labour.  They will sell us out again, when it will be politician's gravy train as usual.  Nothing I've seen so far indicates that the EU will reform unless there's a popular revolution.  In fact every indication is that the politicians are hell-bent on the road to federalism, and want to get as far as they can before anyone notices what we've really got ourselves into.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Well it happened at the same time...

 

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/ed-milibands-car-gets-parking-7134384

[willy j.]

Hi Threegee, just on the 'targeted strategy' point. Nothing has been decided yet, and won't be until all the research has been done on the strengths and weaknesses of every seat. And even then, it will be a decision made with all the regional committees involved.

 

I hear what you're saying, and it does worry everyone who has committed themselves to the cause. In our area we have two Labour MP's who we are longing to get out of office, and that is the aim of all of us. However, the two constituencies are very different. By that I mean the two MP's. Having spoken to many people in Blyth Valley and our own Wansbeck, we have found that Mr Campbell is going to be the easiest one to topple, an eminently winnable seat. He is hated by much of the people of Blyth.

 

Mr Lavery is going to be much harder to dislodge, purely on the grounds of Labour loyalty. However, we are sure that people can see that he only has eyes for Ashington, and the people like us from Bedlington don't matter. If we can get our message across we will have a reasonable chance of removing him. It will be difficult but with plenty of support we can convince area and national that we can, and should, attack those two seats.

[threegee]

Well it happened at the same time...

 

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/ed-milibands-car-gets-parking-7134384

 

Yes, off topic so deserves it's own thread moderators!  No, no, wait - if we have a Miliband Gaffe thread it will likely run to the same length as the jokes thread.  Could turn out just as funny though!

 

He's my contribution anyway:

 

I watched yesterday's press conference to the converted (aren't press conferences supposed to be for the press?).  Therein he was asked by a puzzled loyalist why he didn't just offer the public a referendum on Europe to match Cameron, and so be done with it.  No straight answer of course; it's all a matter of priorities, apparently.  Presumably the priority of kicking an awkward tin down the road, and not exposing that you're as wedded to a European superstate as you are to keeping those labour-voting immigrants flooding in as long as possible.

 

The real fun began when he was asked to describe his "leadership" in one word.  After much head-shaking and tutting the answer came back "one nation".  Then he went into a lengthy explanation as to what he meant by that err... one word!  The core reason for the question - a vain attempt by a loyalist to disprove the allegation that he's unable to answer anything concisely and directly - totally escaped him!