Two Billion Euros Please and We Want It NOW!

[threegee]

After being told to go hang when we suggested we wanted to place some sane controls on immigrants fleeing from the failing EU economy, we now have to suffer another outrage.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/526713/EU-demands-1-7bn-from-booming-Britain

 

To add further insult to injury Brussels is going to hand this extra money form our intolerable EU burden straight to a failing France.  Penalising success and rewarding failure is stock in trade for the Brussels mandarins.

 

This is about the amount Labour is proposing to raise from their "mansion tax" over a whole year.  A tax that will be totally counter productive, because it will cause quite a number of foreign investors to quit the UK, and will itself depress the very property prices it 's intended to leech on.  Whatever is wrong with this government it hasn't embarked on a something-for-nothing nonsense of Hollande's bankrupt socialist France, but that's the same economic stupidity that Miliband and Balls is trying to sell to voters.

 

We need out of this sinking political experiment now, and not in five or ten years time. The only sane thing to do is to vote Ukip to achieve this.  It may not produce a Ukip government, but Ukip is setting the agenda now, and the Peoples Army has the London liberal elitists on the run.

 

We can easily stand on our own feet in the world and prosper.  This isn't being a little Englander or trying to wind the clock back, it's good business and plain common sense.  When politicians warn of "losing influence" what they mean is them losing influence, and the prospect of a cushy exit from domestic politics to a gravy-train job in Brussels. Influence doesn't pay the bills. They are pedalling a meaningless concept because they have no real-world arguments to justify their own self-serving views. If we stay in the failing EU - an EU we never agreed to in the first instance - we will sink with it. Any dalliance is going to cost us mighty dearly!

[Tonyp]

Think the French want some money to help stop people coming in from there ports

[threegee]

That's nothing to do directly with the EU Tony.  The £12M we've agreed to pay the French towards their policing costs of the channel ports is a drop in the ocean here.  This is the EU taking a huge sum of money off us and handing it on to France and Germany for no reason other than their economies are performing poorly.

 

It's is an out-of-the-blue demand for an extra £30 or so for every man, woman and child in this country!  It's on top of the £55M we pay to Brussels every day of the year for telling us what to do.

 

Add to this our ridiculous foreign aid budget, the huge sums we pay for doing other nation's policing for them, and we are the biggest soft touch in the world.  It's something our politicians have always gone along with because it buys them "influence".  We'll, King Influence has no clothes. When we are about to be forced into huge cutbacks in public services it as to stop, and stop quickly. Not on Cameron's time scale with the national debt still soaring, but on the time scale the British public demand.

 

Both Labour and the Tories aren't coming clean with voters. The scale of the cutbacks that have to come soon are truly massive. I will put you a few figures together, but believe me we are still living in a dream world.  The current level of government spending is totally unsustainable, and things are rapidly coming to a head now.  Malcolm has touched on this many times here, but it's now worse than I ever though possible.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Not sure we can balance the books with just cutbacks now GGG.  

 

 

 

Going to be something locally as NCC gets to grips with its biggest one year cut back… next financial year!  Thats after 4 or 5 years of cuts.  

 

Total after 8 years........over £200M!  

 

Bloodbath for services!  

[Tonyp]

If you vote for Tories you'll create a bloodbath,public services is the first thing they hit,have done & always will it's an

Easy option...

[threegee]

Tony, I don't seem to be able to get this through to you: It doesn't make a scrap of difference if you vote either Labour or Tory, we are in deep doo doo. After the election the cuts will be massive, they simply have to be! This is Gordo's globalisation and it's shaping up really badly. There is no room for either Labour or Tory to manoeuvre. Miliband and Balls can spout all the empty rhetoric they want but their hands are totally tied. Ditto the Tories. They are both trying to buy votes with our own small change, and taking the public for fools. It's all PR and spin; if you vote tribally you buy into that spin. If Miliband gets elected the honeymoon won't last the usual year or two; you'll realise you've been had again by the Westminster elites within a few weeks - whether you vote Labour or Tory!

You can't believe a word Labour or Tory or LD say, all they will do if re-elected is to try to rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic. The Euro area is certainly going to break up, and even though we have been sane enough to stay out of the Euro its failure is going to make things even worse for us. Just about every economy in the world is balanced on a knife edge. On a worldwide scale things have never looked so economically precipitous.

Forget all the Labour -v- Tory crap, it's completely irrelevant to what is happening. It's a sideshow put on for fools who don't know what century they are living in. We need to distance ourselves from the EU ASAP. We need to slash the foreign aid budget massively. We need to pull back forces from overseas. And, we need a complete rethink about how this country is run. If we don't act fast the scale of the economic disaster that is going to overtake us will be like nothing you or anyone else has ever seen. It's the 21st century, so leave 20th century politics where it belongs - in the history books.

[Symptoms]

GGG wrote: "It doesn't make a scrap of difference if you vote either Labour or Tory ...".  Quite right!  The only solution is for the Yankee Boss to dragoon all the G8 Bosses into the Oval Office and threaten them all with publication of their secret CIA files unless they cancel ALL debt;  then the World can start afresh.  If the bosses of all the hedgefunds/banks kick-up then they too can be threatened with exposure;  these guys can always make-up any losses next time around.

 

You see, Wise Old Sym has the solution.

 

Oh, and all that daft lecturn thumping bluster from Cameroooony yesterday is all bollocks ... he's an impotent tosser.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Symptoms

[tomtom]

My prediction for the 2015 General Election: Coalition between the Conservatives and UKIP who are likely to have won 13 seats. With the Labour party struggling to make inroads and the total collapse of the LibDem vote, Cameron will be PM with Nigel Farage as Deputy PM. Like I said, only a prediction but time will tell.

[Symptoms]

Oh no!  Nigel and heartbeat away from the nuke codes.

[tomtom]

Reading The Mail today, UKIP could conceivably pick up 100 seats at the General Election next year thanks to the lack of success Mr Cameron is having 

in trying to renegotiate our future with the EU mandarins.

[Tonyp]

Tomtom ukip are right wing Tories it wouldn't be a coalition.the daily mail well that speaks for itself ukip journal..

[Malcolm Robinson]

Tonyp,

 

Talk about wild generalisations……flipping heck. 

 

That's the same as saying all shop stewards are raging communists intent on bringing the country to its knees. 

At least try to present a decent argument instead of trying to dismiss something based on oversimplifications and sweeping statements.

Not sure Nigel would be welcomed into the Monday Club?   

[tomtom]

....and talking about UKIP I see that the Labour party are on course to lose up to 40 Scottish seats in the 2015 election and incidentally Tonyp which newspapers do you read?

[Tonyp]

Malcolm it is that simple...Tom Tom a wide variety

[Tonyp]

Ukip will not get any seats up there the snp have got that well sorted not a fan of salmond but bit of show on question time

Two weeks ago

[Malcolm Robinson]

Tony,

 

You have to be joking??????

 

I know plenty of people who are saying they are going to support UKIP and they are anything but right wing Tories.  

 

In fact given the recent pages of our widest read local tabloid I can understand why the ruling party up here is so obviousley worried.   

[Malcolm Robinson]

Ukip will not get any seats up there the snp have got that well sorted not a fan of salmond but bit of show on question time

Two weeks ago

 

And thats probably exactly why you will be wrong.  

 

I will put a foaming pint of the Red Lion's finest on it................     

[Tonyp]

What at wither spoons u sure

[Tonyp]

Malcolm u need to get back to the nastiest beers served in bedlington

[Symptoms]

Never mind about that Euro debt, reports in The Guardian today say that we're still paying off the South Sea Bubble Debt from 1720, the Napoleonic and Crimean wars and the Irish potato famine debts.  Also listed are the debts still owing due to the Slavery Abolition Act of 1835 and the borrowings from the big 1914 - 1918 bunfight with Fritz. 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/oct/31/uk-first-world-war-bonds-redeemed

[Maggie/915]

Money seems to have no meaning to our Government.

After all with 'quantitive easing' you only need a printing press.

Someone at the weekend said 'Quantitive Easing ' sounded like a laxative.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Hear hear Maggie!  

 

Giving transient politicians access to that sort of easy way out is tantamount to giving drug addicts free access to any drug they want!  

 

String the sods up along with the bankers..............

[threegee]

Tucked away in the report is a nugget that Britain alone accounted for almost all the EU's growth in 2013, half in 2014, and will still be the biggest contributor by far in 2015. This implies that the UK's net payments to the EU budget - already up fourfold since 2008 - will become ever more skewed. Or put another way, the more EMU makes a mess of its affairs, the more Britain must pay to prop it up.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/11211973/Mario-Draghis-efforts-to-save-EMU-have-hit-the-Berlin-Wall.html

 

So, basically, we can expect many more "surprise" payment demands from the Fourth Reich. We only thought we'd steered clear of the looming disaster that is the Euro, but the reality is that we are indirectly tied into throwing huge sums of British money at it for as long as our politicos are stupid enough to do so.

 

There's a book that's required reading for any serious investor.  It was written in the 1840's and is called Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.  Anyone reading it comes to the realisation that nothing much has changed, and that large groups of people still make the same idiotic, impoverishing, business decisions (with their eyes wide open) as they did several hundred years ago. The reasons aren't difficult to understand: greed, mass delusion and reinforcement are powerful forces. Next time a politico adamantly tells you that continued EU membership is vital to our economy suggest that he might usefully browse that classic.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Whey ya boys, looking at that very book on one of my bookshelves now GGG!  

 

From tulips to the Dot Com boom seems nowt much has changed in human behaviour.

[Malcolm Robinson]

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