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[mercuryg]

Try getting some EU funding merc.

 

I did, Malcolm (although that was some years ago, and alongside funding from local bodies). As I said, I'm no EU apologist, but I do like to see facts rather than propoganda. To state that the country gets nothing from the EU is untrue; there are many examples of projects that have been brought about by EU funding, and industries that benefit. Whether you (or I) believe this to be worthy investment is another point entirely.

[Malcolm Robinson]

I do think we have a lot to be thankful for in some of the EU social legislation but then there are some daft things too!

[ex Bedlingtonian]

^{Surely if we get out less than we put in we are net losers?  If we had all the money we were putting in then we would have the money, and more, for the projects that the EU is supposedly funding.  Is this not simple maths.}

Edited March 23, 2015 by ex Bedlingtonian

[threegee]

"Our net contribution to the EU graft machine is £40,000 for every minute, of every hour, of every day, of every year,"

 

While in no way an EU apologist I do like to see a fair representation of the facts, and I don't believe this to be one. According to figures from 2014 our net contribution (the figure after we take into account the £6.5bn that came our way) amounted to £4.7bn, which doesn't amount to £40k per minute per year in any way, shape or form. By my reckoning, minutes in year x 40k is nearer 21bn.

 

"...for which we get precisely nothing..."

 

Far from the truth. This country may be hamstrung by some odd rules, regulations and laws that have been passed from Brussels, but where do you think that £6.5bn goes? Agriculture is a major beneficiary of EU funds, roads and infrastructure in many cities and town across the UK have benefited from it, industrial projects have recieved large wedges of EU funding, small businesses have also been beneficiaries - this is not 'precisely nothing' and should not be represented as such.

 

I'm on the fence regards EU membership, but actually leaning slightly towards it being a good thing.

 

Our net contribution to the EU budget has been variously computed at £55M to £57M per day. By my - possibly flawed - arithmetic that's just a tad under £40K per minute.  Whatever, it is it's huge, and it's ongoing, and we are in for even more out of the blue demands as the EU fails. You can't be sure of any figures with the EU because it is so riddled with graft.  EU Budget fails audit test for 18th year in a row

 

I don't know where you get that £4.7BN from (probably the delusional LDs), but it's likely a historic figure now way short of the mark. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/11200800/Britains-net-payments-to-EU-soar-by-a-third-in-a-year-ONS-figures-show.html

 

 

You've also quoted my "we get precisely nothing" out of context.  Of course I didn't mean that we got precisely nothing back from our contribution, I said we got precisely nothing for the net contribution.  My essential point is that any "EU funding" is illusory because it's our own money back.  Lured into an undemocratic European superstate with out own money!

 

The Europhiles would like it all to be reduced to an economic argument where they can muddy the waters, but the argument is far wider.  It's essentially about a post-democratic society and rule by elites.  It's about diffusing opposition by regionalisation and subsuming national identities, and it's all founded on lies!  They can't get it past the people by rational argument, so it's being done by stealth.  Put simply it's a rehash of German National Socialism redacted of the ethnic elements.  The EU parliament is nothing we in the UK can recognise as a parliament, the EU commission has all the power and rules by directive.  Those directives are handed own by self-selecting political elites, and do not result from democratic forces, as in our style of government.

 

I don't buy Malcolm's nod to social legislation either. Malc please quote me something that our own overpaid lawyers couldn't have arrived at independently.  The EU principal of one size fits all does not hold in any sphere.

 

I'd like to expand on this but that will do for now. 

[Malcolm Robinson]

Well you learn something all the time by contributing to this site! Sorry GGG I was thining about the ECHR......but http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/six-things-you-should-know-4370967

[mercuryg]

Oddly, 3g, my figures came from a different article, but the same source....

[threegee]

Well you learn something all the time by contributing to this site! Sorry GGG I was thining about the ECHR......but http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/six-things-you-should-know-4370967

 

If I tackle all those we'd all be asleep in no time!  BUT - predictably - the Winston Churchill line is trotted out again.

 

In evidence to the parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights, the Justice Secretary accepted such a move [ignoring the EHCR] would result in a political fall out with Strasbourg.

 

Committee member Lord Lester said such a move would be the first time democratic parliament had defied a ruling of the court and that "Winston Churchill would be turning in his grave”.

 

Mr Graying replied: "I think Winston Churchill might struggle to recognise the framework that has evolved in the years after is death.”

He added: "The jurisprudence of the European Court has gone too far and there is a real pressing need for reform.

 

"It is crying out for reform. The problem is much more significant and much more deep rooted.”

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9865806/Churchill-would-now-not-recognise-the-human-rights-laws-he-inspired-says-Grayling.html

 

So... something else Euro which desperately needs "reform" then?  Seems all europhiles are budding curates these days, and oh so many eggs!

[HIGH PIT WILMA]

pilgrim, on 05 Mar 2015 - 2:58 PM, said:

A lot of very salient points regarding rural life. With an aging population nationally, but even more so in the rural areas, because of lack of employment and escalating house prices. The gradual withdrawal of services doesn't help. The point about needing a car is very valid, but it's not just one you need for a family. I did notice that an EU (ooo swearing now! but almost back on thread) grant has been made of, I believe, 5p per litre in tax refund on duty on fuel,and although mostly in the Highlands the Bellingham area is going to get it as well. The price of fuel impacts heavily on rural life and of course at 17 year old there is an imperative to pass ones test and have transport or there is no social life (except parents taxi - and it cramps ones style somewhat having mum or dad waiting outside friends houses after a night out). Take into account the cost of passing a test these days then the price of a car, BUT then try and insure a 17 yr old and it becomes even more of a financial burden.

We use mainly wood for fuel which is 'green' and available locally ( although it does require a few days with chainsaw and splitting maul) but also oil for heating and water heating, which is reasonable now but was hideously expensive last year, and dare I say it, coal, yes coal, is prohibitively expensive now as any rational form of fuel!!!!

(pssst Maggie - we have a huge dog as well!!)

We cope now - but I'm 60 this month - how long can I saw wood and keep on top of things??

We are turning the rural areas into a theme park for transient visitors through lack of investment and I see no way out of it.

COAL EXPENSIVE?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't wor luvly Maggie close down WOR coal industry,ti ship coal from China,owa ti Cammis,cos it was CHEAPA????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sorry-off topic again....a bit......but a cudn't let that one gaan withoot mentioning the three thousand  miners [boys among them] who are killed every year in Chinese mines.......]

O.K.! Back ti wa squabble!

[HIGH PIT WILMA]

Er......!

Noo that luks aaful!....aam not meaning ye and Maggie,Pil........emoto's in wrang place intended for other fowlkies!

[Maggie/915]

Aye names can be a problem HPW.

Who could take offence?

[threegee]

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