Let's have a debate... Mr Miliband ? Mr Cameron ?

[threegee]

 

No?  Thought not!

[Malcolm Robinson]

Hmmmmm.......http://www.thejournal.co.uk/opinion/gordon-brown-forget-serving-us-8746381

[mercuryg]

The problem with this article is that 90% of people are going to read the title and p*** themselves laughing, and won't read it because they think it's 'that' Gordon Brown. A competent sub-ed would have left the name out of the title....still, interesting read.

[pilgrim]

is this a mass debate?? (runs and hides)

[threegee]

is this a mass debate?? (runs and hides)

Would surely be, if we were arguing about the Higgs Boson.

[Tonyp]

What's ukip minimum wage want figures please

[Tonyp]

Not quotes or Malcolm's websites

[Tonyp]

When kids go to uni they still need aquired levels A level results Maths & English wha t does ukip want discrimination on what field kids want to. Do with there careers Mmm seems like been told what's appropriate to there obnoxious standards..

[Malcolm Robinson]

Tonyp, if kids wrote anything as bad as your last posting they shouldn't pass water never mind an exam!

[HIGH PIT WILMA]

Would surely be, if we were arguing about the Higgs Boson.

Particul..arly if it was going get heated.......!

[mercuryg]

"When kids go to uni they still need aquired levels A level results Maths & English wha t does ukip want discrimination on what field kids want to. Do with there careers Mmm seems like been told what's appropriate to there obnoxious standards.."

 

Tony, my good man, had you perhaps imbibed a few when you wrote this?

[pilgrim]

ref the Higgs Bosun - apparently it was discovered by Homer Simpson in 1998 14 years before CERN!! According The Mail 2nd March 2015

[Canny lass]

Pilgrim, "is this a mass debate?" It's more like a sandpit debate (I use the last Word very loosely)! When will you guys learn that some things (and even people) are best ignored. I don't know how you can be bothered to encourage, let alone read it.

 

Malcolm, as a linguist I'm all against language policing but in this case I take my hat off to you: Well said.

[Symptoms]

There's no excuse for sloppy writing, poor grammar and dodgy spelling ... unless, unless, unless, what's been produced has been created on a piddly little phone;  the small keys/fat finger combo. 

[Canny lass]

..... unless, unless, unless you've got dyslexia, ADHD (and a host of other alphabetical disorders) 

..... unless, unless, unless you've not had a teacher or parent with good Communication/teaching skills

 

Spelling and grammar are constantly changing, spelling more rapidly than grammar, and who's to say what 'sloppiness' is. Language is the tool of Communication and as long as the language used gets your message across the tool is doing its job. When that which is written, or spoken, becomes unintelligible due to deviation from the so-called norm then the tool is not working. That's been happening quite a lot lately.

[pilgrim]

can I interject - the first example of text speak, I tell the child (just to say its not her generation invention) is the transfer of 'one' to I -- (write it down if it escapes you) languages all develop naturally (did you notice the spell chucker there?) but lets not go into that post apocalypse dysfunctional world of 'blade runner' --although I look forward to the sequel !!!

I do like the ethos of the plainer English campaign!!!

[threegee]

What's ukip minimum wage want figures please

 

Not quotes or Malcolm's websites

 

I'm not certain if you are going to actually read this Tony, or indeed follow the logic, but I'm going to write it anyway.

Let's compare this to chess. A game I'm not good at, maybe because I've never invested any time in it, or maybe because I'm not as bright as most. The game is deceptively simple though, because the rule set is simple and just about anyone can see what's a valid move and what's a wrong'un. That early perception of simplicity is flawed though, because you need to learn to spot developing patterns, and their inevitable outcomes.

Whoops I've spotted a simple pattern here. It goes: Minimum wage good (because it's the perfectly obvious way address the problem of low pay) --> I will ask the question what are you going to do about it (because I know I will get an answer I want)  -->  I will use that to illustrate that only my side hold the moral high ground (and that by implication your side is bad) --> If other side even suggests that I'm wrong, being the upholder of morality, I will attempt to demonise them as positively evil!  -->  Win argument (feel better about my self, and confirm my own delusions)!

But, I'm afraid that's just tawdry socialism in full flow. There are two classes of socialists: those who don't think things through, and those who seek to exploit this for their own social advancement and gain!  The first kind need an education in the university of life, and the second kind should be shot for exploiting their fellow man in a much more devious way than any "filthy capitalist" would! I'm being charitable here and am going to suggest that you are the first kind - one of the silly exploited.

I've set out a logical explanation for why increasing the minimum wage won't achieve the primary role of putting real money into the pockets of the lowest paid.  And, if you can't be arsed to deploy a counter argument then tough, and sorry - I win the argument!  Those are the rules of civilised debate, and not the rules of the Lefty bully boys (and blue-haired communist slags) who seek to shout people down, limit the range of debate, and redefine the dictionary.  I've also linked you to a Financial Times page which sets out Ukip official policy.  That's because I'm not a spokesperson, just someone who has arrived at more or less the same conclusions by using MY OWN head!  Try using yours Tony, and stop exploiting your fellow citizens, or at best being complicit in that exploitation!  They are not quite as simple as the ruling elites (those truly "obnoxious" people of the mainstream parties) take them for!

 

Oh, and any chance of getting this thread back on to the original topic of WHY are we in the EU?  Though we do know what Labour's policy is there: quickly change the subject!

[threegee]

When kids go to uni they still need aquired levels A level results Maths & English wha t does ukip want discrimination on what field kids want to. Do with there careers Mmm seems like been told what's appropriate to there obnoxious standards..

 

Are you sure the policy isn't racist too? Everything else seems to be!

 

In the pie in the sky socialist paradise it may be possible for all kids to be philosophy students or artists, but that doesn't put bread on anyone's tables. If everyone went to university we'd all starve!  Having redefined racist to mean someone you disagree with, you are now attempting to redefine discrimination in relation to common sense economics and giving kids a real future with good earnings prospects!

 

By and large kids don't know what career to pursue - I certainly didn't, and was torn two or three times.  A lot of the time they're simply echoing their (often left-wing) teacher's aspirations.  They don't have the depth of experience to make much of a choice, or indeed vote rationally (the fact that many adults don't either is quite another matter! ).  This, of course, is why it's always "a good thing" to lower the voting age, even though kids will near universally tell you that they have better things to do.

 

The Country needs more practical people (you know the ones who can do, and not the head-in-the-air kind) whether they come through university, technical college, or apprenticeship.  So a responsible government should be encouraging that, and not spending our money on producing any more people to chase jobs that don't actually exist, and never will exist.  Building aspirations in the full knowledge that they will only be cruelly dashed is what I consider to be applying "obnoxious standards".

[pilgrim]

3g - think you have summed up a lot of things there - nowt to do wi politics but a lot to do wi real life and achievable expectations xx

Edited March 4, 2015 by pilgrim

[Malcolm Robinson]

Edited by pilgrim, Today, 04:19 PM...........and you still didn't pull the xx's????? LOL!

[Tonyp]

Never a racist that's for sure when I'm on the forum im always chilling with a few beers some times I get a bit excited & want to get it on

@ 100 mph maybe I should do a Malcolm put it out on link that would stop the sarcastic remarks about my spelling

[Tonyp]

Just looked at what I wrote to be honest I can't remember writing that must have been pissed as a parrot I promise I'll not contribute

To forum again if I get in that state."sorry".

[Malcolm Robinson]

No need to appoligise Tonyp, I was in the same state when I posted the reply!!!!!!!!!!!.....LOL.

[mercuryg]

Happens to us all Tony!

 

3G wrote: 'I've also linked you to a Financial Times page...'

 

perhaps, like myself, Tony doesn't want to give his details out in order to read the page.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Paywalls.........bah!