Demand for second referendum

[moe19]

Surprise surprise over one million have signed a petition demanding another referendum,   maybe these folk think we should just keep on voting until they get the result that suits them.

 

The 48% of voters who wished to Remain in the European Union are so mortified by the Leave result that a parliamentary petition calling for a second referendum has been set up.

‘We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum,’ the petition, filed this morning, reads.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-petition_uk_576ce6d8e4b0232d331dafb4

 

What would the view have been if it ended as a win for remain, and all the leave campaigners called for another referendum, on your bike would be the answer I think

The sooner article 50 is set in motion the better otherwise I sense trouble ahead

 

 

Edited June 25, 2016 by moe19

[threegee]

I've seen this a couple of times: the facebook generation only talk to the facebook generation, so huge group-think sets in and they completely discount the fact that anyone might have opposing views.  When they come up against the first person that doesn't agree, that person is immediately labelled as an extremist.  Then, reality starts to dawn and they become indignant and outraged.

I suppose it's just normal student protest updated: for every problem there's one simple solution: a protest march condemning those who just will not see!  Perhaps we should be thankful for on-line petitions - they keep the streets tidier.

[webtrekker]

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‘We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum,’

 

Fair enough, but that rule should have been implemented BEFORE the Referendum. Pillocks!

[moe19]

16 minutes ago, threegee said:

 that person is immediately labelled as an extremist. 

Racist seems to be the favourite label attached to anyone who dares to disagree with them,  

 

The Luvvies are revolting  ,literally

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36629324

Edited June 25, 2016 by moe19

[Canny lass]

4 hours ago, moe19 said:

Surprise surprise over one million have signed a petition demanding another referendum,   maybe these folk think we should just keep on voting until they get the result that suits them.

Look again Moe. The demand is not for another referendum. The demand is for a rule that, in certain circumstances, there should be a second referendum.

Also, the mass influx of signatures must have come BEFORE the referendum. Firstly,  its clearly stated that the petition has a "Deadline 25 November 2016" and that "All petitions run for 6 months" (written directly under the deadline). That means the petition was started 24-25 May, not in June. Secondly, looking at the download from the petition site we can clearly read that the site has been "Down for: more than one week". The referendum was only two days ago. Therefore, there can't have been any signatures added to the petition since the referendum.

I don't know what all the fuss is about. We live in a democracy. The referendum produced a democratic vote. A slight majority is still a majority and should be accepted. Both the UK and the EU have a tough time ahead of them but there are worse things in life. I, for example, had to go shopping for new shoes this morning. On a Saturday!

Edited June 25, 2016 by Canny lass

[Canny lass]

2 hours ago, moe19 said:

Racist seems to be the favourite label attached to anyone who dares to disagree with them,  

I've never understood the popularity of the 'R-word'. There are plenty of perfectly  good 'I-words' in the English language.

[moe19]

You are correct canny lass the petition must have been set up before the referendum but its on the main UK Gov site so it would not have been down for a week very strange,   It did crash for a short time  on Friday when it could not cope with the demand, press reports the  petition passed the seven-figure landmark just over 24 hours after the referendum result was confirmed.

The promoter of the petition is Oliver Healey a third year politics student at an East Midlands University.   (Obviously a student of politics who doesn't believe in democracy).

It is regrettable that his university didn't tell him that ANY legislation  (including the European Union Referendum Act 2015) can't be changed retrospectively.

 

The petition passed the seven-figure landmark just over 24 hours after the referendum result was confirmed.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/more-than-half-a-million-sign-petition-demanding-referendum-reru/

 

 

Meanwhile another petition has been set up, this petition is calling on Mayor Sadiq Khan to declare London independent, and apply to join the EU - including membership of the Schengen Zone, it seems the hot weather in the UK has sent some folk barmy

https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu

SN06454.pdf

[Canny lass]

56 minutes ago, moe19 said:

It is regrettable that his university didn't tell him that ANY legislation  (including the European Union Referendum Act 2015) can't be changed retrospectively.

It can be amended, Moe, and it then gets a new name f.ex, The Bedlington Clothes Prop Length Regulation Act (1921) may become The Bedlington Clothes Prop Length Regulation Amendment Act (1999). It becomes a new law. If this didn't happen we would still be living in the middle-ages.

Look again at the download. It does not say that UK gov site is down. It says that the petition site is down: petition.parliament .uk

The Telegraph appear to make the same mistake as yourself. The headline stating that a new referendum is being demanded. Given that they've got that wrong, I can make an educated guess that they've got the "1.5 million signatures in 24 hours" bit wrong as well. The download can't be wrong. You get exactly what's on the screen at the time of downloading. I don't know just when it was downloaded, but it can't have been later than  18 June - one week ago today..  

[Malcolm Robinson]

[Canny lass]

That's probably one of the funniest things I've seen the past few weeks - and heaven knows there have been some corkers floating about in the press! You made my day, Malcolm, and taken all the pain of shoe shopping away! thank you!

[Christopher Doyle]

[Canny lass]

... and that made my evening!

[moe19]

12 hours ago, Canny lass said:

It can be amended, Moe, and it then gets a new name f.ex, The Bedlington Clothes Prop Length Regulation Act (1921) may become The Bedlington Clothes Prop Length Regulation Amendment Act (1999). It becomes a new law. If this didn't happen we would still be living in the middle-ages.

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Would the amendment only apply to any referendum after the date of the amendment, or could it be back dated to the referendum  we have just had  

[ex Bedlingtonian]

As far as I know it cannot be back dated.

[moe19]

I have a feeling that Brexit wont happen unless article  50 is triggered very soon. the longer we wait the more opposition will fight Brexit  and public unrest will grow as the BBC and Sky seem to have started a new project fear campaign

the June 23 referendum on Britain's EU membership is not legally binding. Instead, it is merely advisory, and, in theory, could be totally ignored by the UK government.

What would result if MPs voted against Brexit ? would we see cavil unrest

Edited June 26, 2016 by moe19

[mercuryg]

"would we see cavil unrest"

Possibly, but only carried out by 52% of 72% of the voting population!

[Canny lass]

1 hour ago, moe19 said:

Would the amendment only apply to any referendum after the date of the amendment, or could it be back dated to the referendum  we have just had  

A new amendment law applies from the day it is validated. With any following the amendment would apply. Hope that clears things up.

[Canny lass]

22 minutes ago, moe19 said:

What would result if MPs voted against Brexit ? would we see cavil unrest

That's a very good question!

[threegee]

3 hours ago, moe19 said:

I have a feeling that Brexit wont happen unless article  50 is triggered very soon. the longer we wait the more opposition will fight Brexit  and public unrest will grow as the BBC and Sky seem to have started a new project fear campaign

the June 23 referendum on Britain's EU membership is not legally binding. Instead, it is merely advisory, and, in theory, could be totally ignored by the UK government.

What would result if MPs voted against Brexit ? would we see cavil unrest

I think a slightly better question is what would HMQ do in those circumstances?  She's only been dropping hints so far, but she's supposed to be the ultimate guardian of democracy.  She has removed elected governments in other countries - so there's a precedent.

[moe19]

14 minutes ago, threegee said:

I think a slightly better question is what would HMQ do in those circumstances?  She's only been dropping hints so far, but she's supposed to be the ultimate guardian of democracy.  She has removed elected governments in other countries - so there's a precedent.

Well it seems the Queen of Scotland has other ideas and has just announced that the Scottish MPs may vote against Brexit,  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36633244

 

Whats the odds that this Brexit will never happen.

Edited June 26, 2016 by moe19

[threegee]

48 minutes ago, moe19 said:

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Whats the odds that this Brexit will never happen.

The odds would depend on exactly what you mean by Brexit.  The way the EU and politicos generally work is by fudge.  It's highly likely that we'll be presented with a situation that the establishment parties claim is a Brexit, but Ukip supporters disown as not in the spirit of the referendum result. Maybe that's what everyone secretly wants, because then the show can go on and on?

[webtrekker]

Maybe everyone needs to consider this before asking for a second referendum ...

 

 

[moe19]

Thousands of fraudulent names have been removed from the EU referendum petition

The House of Commons Petition Committee said it had removed about 77,000 signatures which were added "fraudulently" and it  monitoring  for suspicious activity.

Never heard a mention of this from our biased broadcasters yet

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/concern-as-online-call-for-second-brexit-vote-gains-more-than-3

[webtrekker]

A more sensible use of a petition might be to get all UK rollercoasters shut down indefinitely. 

[threegee]

1 hour ago, moe19 said:

Never heard a mention of this from our biased broadcasters yet

Don't give up hope; there was a report earlier today that the whispers in the corridors of the BBC are that they might not have been accurately echoing the feelings of real people "in the provinces."  Doubtless there'll be a working party tasked with investigating this startling revelation very soon.  What better use of our licence fee could there possibly be?