Symptoms Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 Canny - I waded through that weighty tome etheses.dur.ac.uk/5614 back in 2020; see below: Posted by me August 25, 2020 "I've been doing a bit of research on the Mechanics Institute and I'm currently reading a long dissertation some guy did for his Doctorate years ago on the history of Mech Insts. Ours, the one next to the Sun Inn took over the old courthouse and klink there and it was sponsored by the Bedlington Iron Works. I've got more details noted in my study but I ain't there at the moment so can't give dates. I'll try to do a summary and post it so we have some facts listed. The formation of Mech Insts was interesting national Victorian movement ... but more later." Posted by me August 26, 2020 (edited) "I read through that Doctoral Thesis (phew!) and found it very interesting but only a couple of mentions about our Mechanics Institute. It was founded in 1848 and closed in 1906 when it had 200 members (the last year when member numbers exist); most Mech Insts in the NE had closed by 1913. It's economic base and benefactor was the Bedlington Iron Works. You can read the Thesis here: http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/5614/ but you'll need to download the .pdf document shown at the top of the page ... I can recommend the read as it opens the door for us into the Victorian drive for self-improvement for working men (and it was only for men); all most women had to look forward to was a life of drudgery back then. It clearly continued as a social club but no longer followed the purpose of it's founders, namely the pursuit of technical education." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canny lass Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Symptoms said: Canny - I waded through that weighty tome etheses.dur.ac.uk/5614 back in 2020; Is that where I got it from! It's been filed away on my PC for ages. Looking at the date of the download it's only 2 days after you mentioned it. It is certainly an extremely good and informative account of the movement in the north east. I had no idea that it was anything other than a watering hole. 2 hours ago, Symptoms said: I can recommend the read as it opens the door for us into the Victorian drive for self-improvement for working men (and it was only for men); all most women had to look forward to was a life of drudgery back then. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it either but I have to disagree that it was only for men, working or otherwise. (Stockdale outlined nicely a period in the movement's history when there were more white-collar then blue-collar members). I've come across plenty of instances while reading about it that show women were admitted to the MI early on in its history: https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/iha-mechanics-institutes/heag187-mechanics-institutes-iha/ ”Originally, few Mechanics’ Institutes encouraged or allowed female members, although this changed towards the end of the 19th century. Where women were admitted, they often had restricted access: at Shrewsbury, for example, women paid half the subscription of men but were only allowed to attend lectures and use the library. After 1850, many larger institutions started to offer special classes for women, particularly in English.” https://dangerouswomenproject.org/2016/08/17/bradford-female-educational-institute/' ”One thing is certain: the girls and young women who attended the Institute were made of stern stuff. Unlike the mainly middle-class women attending daytime classes at Manchester Mechanics’ Institute for instance, the women of the Bradford Female Educational Institute worked for a living.” http://blogs.bbk.ac.uk/bbkcomments/2020/01/08/the-london-mechanics-institute-its-foundation/ The Institute’s egalitarian ethos even extended to women who could attend lectures from 1825 and were able to become members in 1830. It's certainly a fascinating history and must have done a lot to improve education and literacy in Bedlington. Worth a mention on our timeline perhaps? Edited May 15, 2022 by Canny lass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symptoms Posted May 25, 2022 Report Share Posted May 25, 2022 Canny - I remain unconvinced that loads of women were able to benefit directly from the facilities offered in the Mechanics Institutes even where there was a half-price subscription. I suspect that it was only those with some disposable income who could afford the subs; I’m not sure that the vast majority of ‘working poor’ women fell into this group. I can accept that perhaps those women from the ‘trading classes’ – wives and daughters of the butchers, bakers and candle stick makers were the ones who had the time and resources to access these places. The Institutes in the big cities would have had much bigger populations to draw on so the proportion of women wishing, or able, to use the facilities would have been greater. I can’t see many poor wives and mothers in places like Bedlington, enslaved to the tyranny of the poss tub having the time, energy or resources to join the Institutes. Of course, there would have been exceptions but I can’t see it being widespread. My own maternal Grandmother was an exceptional woman who led an incredible life – I’ve posted her story on the Facebook page of her Co.Durham home village … perhaps I might copy it here to illustrate that Victorian/Edwardian working class drive for self-improvement that we’ve been discussing. What do you think? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canny lass Posted May 26, 2022 Report Share Posted May 26, 2022 I can agree that membership was predominantly male - throughout the country as a whole, not just in Bedlington, and for just those reasons you give. I may have misunderstood your statement "and it was only for men" as I thought you were referring to the movement's general regulations. Perhaps women became more involved with the social side of the movement. I have vague recollections of my mother attending beetle drives at the 'mech' during my early childhood and I believe it was something she started doing way back in the 30s when the family lived in the Arcade. Your gran sounds like my type of woman and having a penchant for all things Victorian, especially those related to the working classes, I'd love to read about her. I don't suppose life was too different in any parts of the north east so there is a certain relevance to her story. Get it posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie/915 Posted May 27, 2022 Report Share Posted May 27, 2022 On 25/04/2022 at 14:33, Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) said: @Rigger & @Maggie/915 - have either of you herd of the 'Scroll of Honour' for WWI ? There is a memorial book in the old annex to the church . Names include my grandad who did not die but suffered until death in 1941 . A generation lost . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7RIrF Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 I am currently researching men of Barrington who died in both World Wars. It includes men who resided in Barrington, but also those born in Barrington If anyone knows of any men I have missed, I'd love to know! WW1: George Anderton; Henry Appleby; George Charlton; Robert A Charlon; John Cowans; Thomas H Cowen; James Dunbar; Aaron E Gardner; George E Gibbon; Joseph B Glendinning; George Grant; Mark F Green; Frank Foster; William Hardy; James Harle; James E Hartill; William Henderson; Thomas Hudspith; John W Hutchinson; George Jackson; Edward Johnson; Francis Johnson; John E Johnson; William Joisce; James W Jordan; Walter J Kelly; William Logan; William Montgomery; Alexander Orkney; George Paxton; John J Percy; Joseph Riddell; Joseph Ross; Henry R Routledge; Thomas R Routledge; Robert Sanderson; James Scurfield; Tom Smith; John Stoker; Arthur Thompson; Henry D Thompson; John W Turner; Luke Wanless; Joseph Weightman WW2: John R Cook; John Hudspith; Leslie Joisce; William J Spencer Cheers, James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 40 minutes ago, 7RIrF said: I am currently researching men of Barrington who died in both World Wars. It includes men who resided in Barrington, but also those born in Barrington If anyone knows of any men I have missed, I'd love to know! WW1: George Anderton; Henry Appleby; George Charlton; Robert A Charlon; John Cowans; Thomas H Cowen; James Dunbar; Aaron E Gardner; George E Gibbon; Joseph B Glendinning; George Grant; Mark F Green; Frank Foster; William Hardy; James Harle; James E Hartill; William Henderson; Thomas Hudspith; John W Hutchinson; George Jackson; Edward Johnson; Francis Johnson; John E Johnson; William Joisce; James W Jordan; Walter J Kelly; William Logan; William Montgomery; Alexander Orkney; George Paxton; John J Percy; Joseph Riddell; Joseph Ross; Henry R Routledge; Thomas R Routledge; Robert Sanderson; James Scurfield; Tom Smith; John Stoker; Arthur Thompson; Henry D Thompson; John W Turner; Luke Wanless; Joseph Weightman WW2: John R Cook; John Hudspith; Leslie Joisce; William J Spencer Cheers, James I like what your doing but I can't help you with any info or know of anyone who can. I can only recall one member of this group who lived in Barrington = @Alan dickson but the last time Alan visited this group was 23rd July 2014 . I know Alan is Admin of the Facebok group Barrington, Barnt' n memories and stuff!! = https://www.facebook.com/groups/958444760904321 and I am sure he would recognise some of the names in your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 @7RIrF posted your comment from above on the Barrington Facebook group and one member has replied :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7RIrF Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 Thank you very much for posting it! I don't really need anything on George, but I have a photo from the illustrated Chronicle they might not have/like to have! George was one of seven pals from Barrington who enlisted together, all with consecutive service numbers, joining the 21st NF - George was the only one to be Killed. Also Attached are his pension cards! James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 2 hours ago, 7RIrF said: Thank you very much for posting it! I don't really need anything on George, but I have a photo from the illustrated Chronicle they might not have/like to have! George was one of seven pals from Barrington who enlisted together, all with consecutive service numbers, joining the 21st NF - George was the only one to be Killed. Also Attached are his pension cards! James Thanks for that @7RIrF - I will download those mages and pass them on and let you know of any recation. Are you a member of Facebook James? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7RIrF Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 No, I don't have a Facebook - so I can't see the Barrington group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 Ok @7RIrF - I'll pass any comments/info etc I may get from the Barrington group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Posted October 27, 2023 Report Share Posted October 27, 2023 (edited) @7RIrF - as yet no further comments from the Barringto group. I'm assuming you have had a look at the 'Rigger' web documented, 'Bedlington soldiers who died in the great wat' that he created. When Rigger was doing his project another member @Maggie/915 who has been involved in various research projects about the Bedlington area kept some info onwho dreck was involved with and passed info to. This is an extract that Maggie/915 had and might have some contacts within it that you 'might' find helpful :- That is the only info I have. Edited October 27, 2023 by Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) @7RIrF Just one comment but that mentions one of the names in your list that I would assume you have info on. The comment from John Brown on the Bygone Bedlington Facebook group :- Edited October 31, 2023 by Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Appleby Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago On 26/10/2023 at 14:32, 7RIrF said: I am currently researching men of Barrington who died in both World Wars. It includes men who resided in Barrington, but also those born in Barrington If anyone knows of any men I have missed, I'd love to know! WW1: George Anderton; Henry Appleby; George Charlton; Robert A Charlon; John Cowans; Thomas H Cowen; James Dunbar; Aaron E Gardner; George E Gibbon; Joseph B Glendinning; George Grant; Mark F Green; Frank Foster; William Hardy; James Harle; James E Hartill; William Henderson; Thomas Hudspith; John W Hutchinson; George Jackson; Edward Johnson; Francis Johnson; John E Johnson; William Joisce; James W Jordan; Walter J Kelly; William Logan; William Montgomery; Alexander Orkney; George Paxton; John J Percy; Joseph Riddell; Joseph Ross; Henry R Routledge; Thomas R Routledge; Robert Sanderson; James Scurfield; Tom Smith; John Stoker; Arthur Thompson; Henry D Thompson; John W Turner; Luke Wanless; Joseph Weightman WW2: John R Cook; John Hudspith; Leslie Joisce; William J Spencer Cheers, James Hi James, Henry Appleby was/is my great-grandfather. You can find details of him here: https://www.newmp.org.uk/article.php?categoryid=99&articleid=1511&displayorder=97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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