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By pressing the green button I am still not allowed. Strange but what defines a day and how do you qualify. What number is too much.? How many green buttons can you press in one day? I did not even know they existed till yesterday. Note to anyone if you like a post press green in the bottom right and you give that person a point.

"The numbers game won't hack it for several reasons." I'm not sure about that, really. You mentioned earlier, 3G, the desire on the part of followers of Islam to 'outbreed' the rest with a view to taking over; that's all very well, but how are they going to do that? Some more, supposed, projected figures: the population of the UK in 2011 was around 63million; projections based on current growth rates say that, by 2037 - to give one example - it will be 73million, give or take a few. Now, currenty the number of people who are 'white' comes to around 55million; with people living longer than ever before, this raises an intereting question: let's use the figures above to move forward to the fabled 2050, when apparently the muslim population will exceed that of everyone else (not, remember, just the 'white'); an extra 10million, then, in 21 years (up to 2037) so we'll go overboard and say that, by 2050 the population might be 83 million (or, in fact, insert any figure you want.) Now, of course, by now we have at least 42million muslims in the country - a majority - which leaves 41million other. GIven the population of 'white' alone is growing at a steady rate - and that we are going to live longer, that means that the white (and other) population has declined by 13million since now, and the Muslim population increased by a colossal 37million. It doesn't work, does it? To be fair, the above is - as is every other supposition - precisely that, but it shows the extreme growth in Muslim UK population, and decline otherwise, needed to achieve the scaremongering Muslim majority that is needed to turn us into the Islamic State of the UK. Unless, of course, ordinary people like myself and the rest of you on here - in their millions - decide to convert to Islam. Or an asteroid wipes out ten million non-muslims. I like the discussion, by the way, it's inspired me to find some truly wonderful websites that spout such obvious lies they are great fun: try billionbibles.org. I feel sure the Daily Mail draws some of its 'facts' from there. It's highly reputable. It also led me to imamsonline.com - also worth a read.

"You are applying Western democratic values to a system which totally rejects same." Partly my point, 3G; this is a Western democratic society, and a few million Muslims is not about to change that. "But even in the case of Nazi Germany.." Had I quoted such you would have responded that I was 'applying Western etc etc' as above; in thiscase, you are: Nazi Germany was, as you well know, a different picture, and hardly relevant to the current commentary. "You are also making the mistake of equating Islam with other religions" No, I'm not; as is often the case, you are the one making the mistake that I - and others - do not understand the subject, and that you - in solitary - do. In genuine concern, having been exposed to the same scary headlines and articles as you and others, I opted (as I am wont to do) to delve a little further and see if there was, in fact, an opposite viewpoint to the overwhelming Islamophobia of current trends; there was, and is, and it's worth taking into account. Do you think they are insincere? Do you think they exaggerate? Yes, and yes; the former as I don't belierver they are representative of all muslims, and the latter because 'what is going to happen' is not going to happen. "In truth I think that's where we are likely heading too." Military control? For the sake of a few percent of the population? Don't be silly; I am of the opinion you are unfortunately susceptible to believing the extrreme in everything, for reasons I can't fathom. Two examples from when I was at junior school (forty years ago) spring to mind as indicators as to how 'experts' can conjur up statistics and suppositions to create an untrue future scenario: first, I was 'reliably' and repeatedly informed that the world would have run out of oil by now: I'm still putting petrol in my car, and oil is plentiful; second, if the medical experts were to be believed, more than half of us would have died of AIDS by now. The future never pans out as one might thing, politically, religiously or otherwise.

If we still had a proper Miners Picnic (in Bedlington), then you might want to invite the Reverend Payton and his Big Damn Band, check this video out.....

I don't Think you are allowed to press your own button Maggie! It shouldn't even be possible and there are probably warning Points involved! 60 points, eh. Somebody must agree with my rantings! Nice to know. But scoring Points is not what the discussion is about - I hope.

Still trying the green button. In the mean time why have some posts no 'greens button' while others have. My posts on this thread early on have no green button whilst the post at 4:17 today has the green button to press. Not that I would press my own post 'honest'. Well not intentionally. It is fascinating to see who has the most green points. Sadly not me. Well done Canny Lass sixty last time I looked.

Mercuryg, thanks for some good POVs. It amazes me too that people don't take the time to read critically. That is one of the best things I learned to do in school and a habit that was drummed into me by my parents - well my father in particular - was to "never take things at face value". As you say, it's an enjoyable thread which makes me see that all hope is not lost. Maggie, those green buttons have a Life of their own and can make for interesting viewing at times. But not to worry, I Think that plenty of other buttons are being pressed on this thread and not all of them green.

Maybe the answer to the 'Tesco' problem is there - build a mosque - Haj to the Market Place all year round instead of just Fri and Sat nights And maybe for those not convinced have a look at the march for peace and condemnation of Daesh in Newcastle (3rd Jan I think) organised by - oh dear - the mosques!! Bedlington is about to get one......

" now here's an interesting FACT that relates to my where are all these moderate Muslms question" So, only 8.6% of the referrals come from Muslims. What's so very strange about that? They only comprise 4.8% of the population so why should the figure be any higher? And, well done Security Minister John Hayes who said "we must work with the overwhelming majority of British people who abhor the twisted narrative that has seduced some of our people". Nice one!

"even requests to explain the Words I've never actually used!" I assume, and I know that you'll correct me should I happen to be wrong, that you are referring to my polite request for " a clarification of YOUR UNDERSTANDING of the Word ghetto" NB: not a clarification of your USE of the Word ghetto or a clarification of the MEANING of the word. There is a difference, and understanding the writer's understanding of a Word helps me, the reader, to better understand your argument. I chose ghetto instead of ghettoised because ghetto is the root of ghettoised, meaning "to put something into a separate, limited category" (OALD). The addition of the typically class changing suffix, -ise, and the inflectional -d do not in anyway change the semantics of the root. In order to understand just what the writer is saying it may be advantageous to the reader to know whether or not the writer's UNDERSTANDING of the Word ghetto includes the notion of a slum. I Think it's a perfectly reasonable request and I'm looking forward to an answer.

Just for my tuppence worth on this one……. I think what GGG is presenting is the 'popular' view which is being ingrained into Mr and Mrs Joe Average up and down the country. Few if any will check ANY facts and what was once "I hear that..” is now " Did you know!” Supposition and gossip is now being presented as fact. I think there will almost certainly be a back lash, it's always happened throughout history just as France is now seeing it politically.

And finally, for this evening at any rate, Point 5: "Sharia law is already imposed in our country" (posted today 12.57 PM) This statement is in direct opposition to your statement yesterday (10.09 PM), that "all viewpoints will be equally valid right up to the inevitable day that Sharia law is imposed on us all." I can't seem to find any reference to this anywhere in the British legal system. Could you please quote me, or at least direct me to, the relevant paragraphs. So, just to recap, what I'm asking for is, apart from an explanation as to how I recognise a muslim soley by his appearance (perhaps you missed the question?): a clarification of what is your understanding of the Word ghetto a clarification as to why we British can't succeed with the present wave of refugees just as we did with the Ugandan Asians or the boat-people one (1) example of how any aspect of the British Culture has been replaced by a Group of refugees a source of the given definition for "true refugee" a clarification as to whether Sharia law has, or has not, already been imposed in Britain. With any possible answer in the affirmative, a wink in the direction of the appropriate paragraphs would be very much appreciated.

Point 4: "true refugees Always harbour a desire to go back home when it becomes possible and/or when they have accumulated enough wealth" It is being suggested - no, stated - here that a refugee is a "true refugee" only if he/she "harbours a desire to go back home" Nonsense! None of these people WANT to leave their homeland. None of these people WANT to leave their family. None of these people WANT to be a refugee. All they WANT is for themselves and their Children to not be forced to be any part of war, religious struggle, abject poverty or any of the other atrocities prevailing in their country. The only way to achieve that is to leave. In the case of the Syrians, at least those I've taken the time to listen to, they also have a desire to return to Syria when that's possible (making them "true refugees" if I've understood your meaning). However, they are also realistic. They don't Think that possibility is going to present itself in the forseeable future - and quite frankly neither do I. This may come as a surprise to some, but all hope of returning does not vanish on becoming a British Citizen. The possibility of returning to their homeland is not eradicated by obtaining British citizenship. So, just because they apply for British citizenship does not mean that they don't long to return to their homeland. However, while waiting for any possibility to return, they become integrated (hopefully), their Children, some of them born in Britain, grow up and become just as British as The British themselves.Their family in the homeland are long since dead (it was the older generation who remained there) and the desire they once harboured to return fades with the passing of time. I'm no refugee but even we non refugees long for home and I can openly admit that I don't long for home nearly as often as I did 20 years ago. I've made this my home but It doesn't take away my love for my homeland. That is not a crime!