What a great post; I think, threegee, smudge's reference to 'nationalism' is a different sort of nationalism to that you are referrign in your response, and I also think you're aware of this. I'm still undecided as to where to vote, mainly because - as I've said before - the current breed of party leaders leave me cold and unmoved; I have been primarily left wing most of my adult life, but these days the Labour party is a sham, a pale vision of what it should stand for, and to my eyes, the true labour movement died with John Smith. I wouldn't countenance voting forthr rich party, and the lib-dems are a waste of space, so that really leaves me with UKIP and the Greens. Well, UKIP, to be frank. The problem is they are so hell bent on the immigration card that it bothers me, and to no small amount. Immigration is not the biggest problem this country has, by any means, it's simply the one the Daily Mail reader thinks is the biggest problem. Threegee, and supporters, talk of the indoctrination of the people by the political elite - UKIP are as bad as the rest. I have to confess, however, that having looked carefully - well, as carefully as I'm bothered - at the options, it is UKIP that fits the bill more than others.If they got rid of the bumbling buffoon who tries, but fails, to come across as the Man of the People as its leader, and installed someone who actually is down to earth and an average bloke (or woman) then I'd be more inclined to support them without reluctance.