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The 'Market Place' Post Office journey.
Canny lass replied to Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)'s topic in History Hollow
Sorry about that! Going further back, I found John Urwin in another trade directory, History, Topography, and Directory of Northumberland 1855 p. 897 and see that even then he was Bedlington’s Postmaster while at the same time running his chemist and druggist business. The question arises – did Urwin live in the same place? I looked him up in the 1851 census. The 1851 census doesn’t reveal so many household addresses. A couple of prominent buildings are named: Fountain Hall and the Vicarage. Apart from Sun Inn and the Red Lion Inn no pubs are named on Front Street. That doesn’t mean to say that pubs did not exist. The number of “Innkeepers”, “Beer-house keepers” and “Publicans registered in the town says otherwise. However, I could not find John Urwin living next door to any of them, suggesting that he may not always have lived next door to the Grapes Inn. Following the enumerator’s route from the Market Place towards the Red Lion I find at schedule nrs. 215 and 214 a “retired innkeeper” and an “innkeeper” next door to each other. Though not named as such, their proximity to the Market Place and the fact that they are neighbours leads me to believe that they are the Masons Arms and the Grapes Inn. Continuing westwards and 28 dwellings later (presumably located both on Front Street and in the various yards) I find John Urwin at schedule nr 203. Moving on, past another 16 dwellings I find the last dwelling of West End, on the corner of Glebe Row, at sch. Nr. 187. It seems to me therefore that John Urwin is living nearer the Red Lion than the Market Place and this location could therefore possibly be Baptist Yard. John Urwin was not a local lad, having been born in Lanchester, Durham. When he moved to Bedlington I can't say but as he was, with certainty, the postmaster, at least between 1855 and 1858 he must have held that position when the telegraph system was installed but I haven't been able to establish at which address. The OS map of 1860shows a Post Office situated between the Grapes Inn and the Mason’s Arms at the lower end of Front Street West. As maps require a few years of research and survey work prior to publication, it’s fair to assume that Urwin may have lived and worked here in 1858 in his capacity as Postmaster. If this is the case then the telegraph system could have been installed here, rather than in Baptist Yard. Its installation could well have been the reason for his move. A bit more work required yet. -
The 'Market Place' Post Office journey.
Canny lass replied to Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)'s topic in History Hollow
The many comprehensive trade and residential directories are a great source of information covering such things as businesses, notable residents, tradespeople and local institutions - of which the Post Office is but one - so I spent yesterday (and a fair bit of today) rummaging through those I have access to and I thought a fair place to start would be the 1858 Post Office Directory of Northumberland (later called Kelly’s Directory). Part of the entry for Bedlington, p. 26, looks like this: Bottom left I can see that Bedlington did indeed have a “Post Office”. The Postmaster was John Urwin and letters were received by him, from Morpeth, by mail cart. Middle right we can see that John Urwin was a man of many talents when, under the businesses section, he appears as chemist, druggist and postmaster. I thought that was odd but further rummaging through the GPO and Post Office Museum sites shows that it was more than common to combine the role of ‘Postmaster’ with another profession. It seems that by the 1850s the postal system was so well developed that “no village, however insignificant” was “without its receiving-house”. By 1855 there was a network of almost 10, 500 post offices across the country “(made up of 920 Head Post Offices and 9,578 Sub-Post Offices and Receiving Offices)”. There were, in other words, several types of ‘Post Office’, whereof the receiving house had least responsibility. For them, it sufficed to receive letters from the Head Post Office and display them in a window so that anyone passing could see if they had mail to collect. The Postal Museum (online) describes the role of the Postmaster as “a salaried male official in charge of PO operations and staff within a specific area defined by its Post Town”. The term Postmaster, they add “was often used colloquially to refer to a Sub-Postmaster. Most Sub Postmasters and Sub Postmistresses were not employed by the Post Office. They had a main business, like a shop, which offered Post Office services”. Those who took on this role were often considered central, trusted figures in their community. That explains a lot! To me it seems that John Urwin was a sub-postmaster and, looking quickly through several other small towns in the directories, the terms ‘Postmaster’ and ‘Post Office’ are used fleetingly for what appear to be Sub-Postmasters and Sub-Post Offices – having mail delivered to them once a day from a Head Post Office by whatever means available. In 1830 mail was distributed by train for the first time and when Morpeth got its station, in 1847 (on the London to Edinburgh line), it appears to have become the location of the Head Post Office for quite a large area, including Bedlington, to which it distributed mail for further distribution or, more commonly, for collection. Next, I looked at the nearest census returns (1861) to see where John Urwin lived: There he is, schedule nr 36, right next door to the Grapes Inn. His neighbour on the other side, at schedule nr 35, is the Masons Arms: That all fits in nicely with what we can see on the 1860 OS map below. I can also mention here that the Post Office can be seen to have opened in the Market Place (Sch.nr 17). It is occupied by Robert Dobson who gives his occupation as “Ass’t. Overseer” rather than any sort of Post Office worker. Perhaps this dwelling is above the Post Office. I'll take a break here as one of the grandchildren has just arrived. I'll try to post the rest later. -
The 'Market Place' Post Office journey.
Canny lass replied to Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)'s topic in History Hollow
I doubt if the Sleekurn edition would cover Front Street, West End, Alan. I don't have any of Stephen B Martin's books but I have several by Evan Martin - including the one above, posted by Vic. Evan Martin uses the same photo of 'Baptists Yard' accompanied by almost the same text. Unfortunately he doesn't disclose the source of the photo or the information in the text. He does say that the "The Baptist Yard" contained " Bedlington's first Post Office and in 1858 the telegraph system was installed there." (page 99). I find it somewhat strange that just 2 years after such an investment, the Post Office would move to new premises nearer the Market Place as shown on the 1860 map. It's also worth remembering that maps aren't created overnight. They take several years of survey work before being published, so the location of the PO shown on that map may well have been surveyed prior to 1860. I have to admit that I have wondered if that really is Baptist Yard and if the PO was ever located there. -
The 'Market Place' Post Office journey.
Canny lass replied to Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)'s topic in History Hollow
That is interesting! I would love to see it confirmed somewhere. Does Martin give any reference to the source of that information? Perhaps the booklet contains a list of references to literature, maps etc. used by him when compiling the booklet. If so, could you post a copy here please. -
The 'Market Place' Post Office journey.
Canny lass replied to Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)'s topic in History Hollow
Mild Cognitive Impairment? Never heard of it! I call that sort of thing ”having a senior moment” - mind you, I’ve been having them frequently since I was 30! -
The 'Market Place' Post Office journey.
Canny lass replied to Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)'s topic in History Hollow
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you there, Alan. I think this is Front Street West, Alan – same building you show in your second photo. The Bedlington PO has a long history and it first appeared on OS maps about the time the postal service was being developed. The first PO in Bedlington was also on Front Street West but nearer to the Market Place than to the Red Lion as you will be able to see on the 1860 OS map below: In 1897 the PO began to appear in the Market Place on the OS map of that year shown below: It remains in that location on those maps I’ve looked at until at least 1967 (Copyright prevents me looking at anything more recent) and I can remember using it then. It later moved from the Market Place, as you rightly say, but I have no recollection of it moving to Front Street East and I can’t remember any buildings on Front Street East with a low wall in front as can be seen in your photos. I returned to Bedlington in the 80s for a while and the PO was then located on Front Street West but further up the street towards the top end (Red Lion). It had a small walled area in front. I’m pretty sure that’s it in your photo which I’ve reproduced above. -
Thank you! Nice to know you enjoyed it. They were an important family in Bedlington's history so I thought they were worth a bit of effort. My own family history research is at a bit of a standstill so I have some time over from that and I might as well put it to good use.
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Back Clayton Street, Bedlington Station
Canny lass replied to Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)'s topic in History Hollow
The 6 inch maps show only the 'footprint' of the building. If you want more detail it's always worth having a look at the 25 inch. Size really does matter!! PS Sorry, that should say 1881 NOT 1901. -
Back Clayton Street, Bedlington Station
Canny lass replied to Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)'s topic in History Hollow
The photo shows Front Clayton Street with the spire of St Johns in the distance. Back Clayton Street was, in fact, the same row of back-to-back houses entered from the rear of the buildings. No need to check the census, Alan, I’ve ‘wandered’ up and down Clayton Street many times on maps and census returns as I’ve had relatives living in both Front Clayton Street and Back Clayton Street in 1911. In 1901 these streets were called First Street and Second Street. Both streets were comprised of 36 two-roomed dwellings that housed mostly miners. They appear to have been extremely overcrowded with many housing 9-10 people – of which a couple could be lodgers! Imagine the sleeping arrangements!! The map below shows the houses on Clayton Street (green) built in two blocks of back-to-back houses. The first block with 40 dwellings, was located between Pheonix Street (blue) and the entrance to Cross Street (red). The second, with 32 dwellings, was located between the entrance to Cross Street and North View (Not shown on this map). Here’s a zoomed view of the first block nrs. 1 - 20 Front Clayton Street (red) and 1 – 20 Back Clayton Street (blue). Nrs 1 and 2 Back Clayton Street was a “Bake House” and did not house a family in 1911. From the photo, it appears that nrs. 1 and 2 Front Clayton Street have also been some sort of business premises. You can clearly see the back-to-back style of building with entrances on both sides of the block. I’ve often wondered how the toilet facilities worked. As you see, these are facing Back Clayton Street. However, there appears to be some sort of passage way connecting front and back every 8 – 12 dwellings. Must have been a nightmare for the residents of Front Clayton Street on cold winter’s morning. -
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@Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) @Justine MatchettLooking at those two photos, Alan, I think they show exactly the same buildings with Milburn House first on the left. I've had another think about the location and today I've compared OS maps with the enumerators route on the 1901 1911 and 1921 census returns and also the 1939 register. I'm now inclined to think that Garden House maybe still exists and could be the white house (albeit renovated or even rebuilt) immediately behind the bungalow adjacent to Milburn House. Looking at maps I can see that there has been a building on that spot, immediately behind the Railway Tavern (formerly Railway Hotel then Railway Inn) since the 1860s. Here's a map from 1898. I've arrowed the building in red: The map below is from 1924 (simply because it has the best detail). The Railway Inn I've arrowed green. What I believe to be garden House I've arrowed red, and I've arrowed an L-shaped building to its rear, on the same plot of land, which I'll come back to. Note that the present day bungalow isn't there. That corner where it stands appears to be land belonging to the house. The Railway Tavern is now demolished to make way for the new car park but the side street behind it, leading from the main road and giving access to the two buildings is still there. I had a little wander down that side street (with the help of Google) and I could clearly see that the L-shaped building is still there and seems to be very old. If William Graham, Benjamin's father, ran a carting business and later a market gardening business (at his home address, according to the 1921 census) then that would be the ideal place - maybe stables for horses when he was carting. The name Garden House, from 1911 when William was a carter, may well be a topographic name - referring to the fact that it was the only building there with a garden which faced the main street. making it easily identifiable. Look at the old maps and you'll see that all other buildings had a back yard and/or an allotment garden along the length of what is now Melrose Villas and Melrose Terrace. All in all, the census returns show that the Graham family have lived on the same spot between the Railway Tavern and, after its construction, Milburn House. From 1911 it had the address Garden House. On early maps this is the only house adjacent to the Railway Tavern. What do you think? Could this be Garden House? Anybody living in the area today who fancies knocking on the door and asking? I'd love to know.
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Hi again Justine, for the Graham family I have census records 1911, 1921 and 1939 (the pre-war register). For Minnie, I have census records 1921 and , I believe, 1939. I also have a birth index for Minnie which would enable you to obtain a copy of her birth certificate. I'll send them to your inbox (the envelope top right of screen).
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Thanks Alan! I hadn't seen Rothley Shield. Bernicia is also still there but now has a wall plaque to the right of the door.
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Just to be sure that Minnie was a housekeeper at this address I looked up her probate records, where you can always find the address at which the deceased lived. There an be no doubt that this was the correct person.
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PS If you want any of the documentation to prove the Graham family residence was 'Garden' House let me know and I'll send them to you.
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Hi Justine, welcome to the forum. I'm pretty certain that I can help you with that. Benjamin Graham never lived at Garton House. That is a spelling mistake or a printing error in the newspaper article. Benjamin lived at GARDEN House in Bedlington Station (often referred to as West Sleekburn). I don't know if you know the area but I'll try to explain its location. The site may well be occupied by a bungalow today but the remainder of the neighbouring houses are certainly still there. Benjamin's father moved into Garden House when it was newly built around 1910-12 and the family were still living there in 1939. Benjamins father, originally a carting contractor, branched out into market gardening and possibly the house got its name from that. The house was situated between the Railway Tavern (which was located on the site of the new car park) and Milburn House which is now number 2 Melrose Villas. Here is a map of the area Railway Tavern marked with black + and the 9 houses of Melrose Villas, marked in red. previously had the address 'Melrose Terrace, plus house name only (no number). These names were (in order from the Railway Tavern to Bank Top): Garden House, Milburn House, Wesley House, Prior House, Rothley Shield, Bernicia, Thurston Villa, Gladstone House and Cresswell House. Milburn House, Bernicia and Cresswell House have retained their names. Milburn House is arrowed in black and Cresswell House is arrowed in yellow. The adjoining terraced row, Melrose Terrace is marked in Green. Here are some pictures. I think Garden House may have been replaced by the bungalow. I myself have no recollection of a bungalow there but perhaps someone else can throw a bit of light on when it was built. However, the other houses, all built within a couple of years can give you an idea of how Garden House was. Melrose Villas looking towards Bank Top. The first of the 2 storey, semi-detached houses is Milburn House: If you zoom in you can see the name above the door. The last of those 2 storey houses is Cresswell House and the name is still above the door:
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Answers to the New Year Quiz: 1. Brazil 2. Italy 3. Scotland 4. Nyepi (one of the weirdest things I’ve ever experienced!) 5. Russia 6. Mexico (but even other Latin American countries such as Ecuador and Columbia) 7. February 16/Fire Horse 8. Philippines 9. Buckets full of dirty water 10. Haiti 11. It is forbidden to conduct or participate in a wedding 12. The Danes 13. Jump as high as they can 14. Wearing red underwear 15. Always at the Vernal Equinox, whatever the date 16. The Catalonia region of Northern Spain 17. Bread 18. Onions or pomegranates 19. A Southern dish based on a West African pea stew that’s meant to bring good luck and prosperity—the peas represent coins, and the green stands for dollar bills. 20. In the icy waters of the Firth of Forth, Scotland. (one of the coldest things I’ve ever experienced!)
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So much for Christmas, let's see what we know about New Year traditions and celebrations! 1. Where in the world on New Year’s Eve do people dress in white, run into the sea at midnight and jump over seven waves while making seven wishes for the year to come? 2. In which country are 12 spoonfuls of lentils eaten at midnight on New Year’s Eve, one spoonful for every chime of the clock? 3. The ‘redding of the house’, involving giving your home a thorough clean before midnight 31 December in order to sweep out the bad luck of the passing year, is a New Year’s tradition in which country? 4. The island of Bali celebrates New Year (on varying dates) with a strict day of silence designed to ward off evil spirits by making the island appear deserted. All businesses, shops and even airports are closed and NO ONE is allowed to leave their home or hotel. What is the name of this day of silence? 5. In another country where silence is a tradition, the last 12 seconds of the old year are spent in silence making a wish for the coming year. Where? 6. An empty suitcase plays an important part in the New Year traditions of which country? 7. China is also a country which celebrates new year on varying dates. In 2026, the year of the Wood Snake will end on China’s New Year’s Eve. On which date will this occur? Bonus point if you know which animal will replace the Wood Snake. 8. In some cultures, round objects symbolise good fortune and prosperity so, to ensure a happy new year, they wear polka-dot clothing and eat round fruits. Where would you be able to observe this tradition? 9. What is thrown out of houses during the countdown to midnight 31 December in Cuba? 10. Which country also celebrates Independence Day on New Year’s Day? 11. The Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah, usually falls in September and is followed a week or so later by the holiest day of the year, Yom Kippur. Between the two it is impossible to get married. Why? 12. Who, literally, jumps into the New Year (from a chair or sofa)? 13. What do children do on the stroke of midnight in the Philippines in the belief that it will make them grow taller in the new year? 14. What New Year tradition do the Italians, Spaniards and Chinese have in common for warding off bad luck? 15. Nouruz (or Nowruz), even called the Persian New Year, isn’t either celebrated 31 December. However, it is officially recognized as New Year’s Day in many countries including Iran, Afghanistan and Azerbajdzan. When is Nouruz celebrated? 16. L’home dels nassos, (the man of many noses) has as many noses as there are days left in the year. He appears on 31 December and, if you find him, he’ll grant you a wish. Where would you go if you want to try and find him? 17. The Irish have many New Year traditions, including setting an additional place at the dinner table for any loved ones lost during the year and having a spotlessly clean home into which to welcome the New Year. They also bang on the outside walls of their house to keep bad luck away. With what do they bang on the walls? 18. What do Greeks hang above their door to welcome good fortune, and even fertility, into their home? 19. Who are what is a Hoppin’ John and where would you find him/it on New Year’s Eve? 20. And finally, where, on New Year’s Day would you be able to witness the “Loony Dook? I'll bet you didn't know: During the 1930s farmers in Canada hitched horses to their cars because they couldn’t afford petrol. Answers Sunday January 4.
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Answers to the Christmas quiz: 1. Ardennes 2. Nautical mile 1 852 metres (English mile 1 609 metres 3. Miss Moneypenny 4. Smoking bishop is a type of mulled wine especially popular in Victorian England at Christmas time. It is mentioned in Dickens' 1843 story A Christmas Carol. Smoking bishop was made from port, red wine, lemons or Seville oranges, sugar and spices such as cloves. 5. Walker 6. Veterinary Surgeon 7. 1984 8. Anglia 9. A butterfly 10. A grape 11. In a dictionary 12. 8 (No Rudolph!) 13. Czech Republic 14. 6 15. Kevin 16. Ukraine 17. Berlin 18. New York 19. Noddy Holder 20. A life jn spinsterhood
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OK, I know it's not Friday but it is 'officially' Christmas now that Wilf has come out of hibernation so here's a little quiz to keep you out of mischief: Which mountain range between Belgium, France and Luxembourg has the same name as a breed of horses? Which is the longest: an English mile or a Nautical mile? What is the name of the female roll figure who is secretary to M in most James Bond films? Who or what is Smoking bishop? What does the initial W stand for in former President George W Bush’s name? If you have the letters FRCVS after your name, what would be your profession? In which year was ’Last Christmas’, by Wham, released for the first time? What was the Latin name for England? What sort of creature is a painted lady? (Keep it clean!) The Spanish see in the New Year by swallowing what on each of the 12 chimes at midnight? When does December come before November? How many reindeer are featured in the poem “Twas the Night Before Christmas?” Which country has a Christmas tradition of breaking an egg into a glass and inspecting the egg-white to see into the future? How many colours on a Rubik’s Cube? What is the forename of the boy, played by Macaulay Culkin, in Home Alone 1 and 2? In which country is the Christmas tree decorated with spider-webs and artificial spiders ("pavuchky"), instead of baubles and glitter? The 1916 Olympic games were cancelled due to WW1. Where were the games scheduled to take place? In which city do they erect, every year, an enormous Christmas tree in Rockefeller Square? Who is the singer in Slade, who sings ’Merry Xmas’? A common sight at Christmas is Mistletoe. KIssing under the Mistletoe was, many years ago, a way for women to protect themselves from something. What? I’ll bet you didn’t know …. The albatross can sleep in mid-air and can glide for six days without beating its wings. Answers on 30 December.
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Whoopee, Wilf is here so it's officially Christmas. Let the festivities begin!!!
