Canny lass

1 hour ago, threegee said:

everyone doesn't come from a culture where women are second class citizens, to be treated as bagged-up chattels.

No, they certainly don't! What are YOU doing to try and change that?

58 minutes ago, threegee said:

And, as for those rape statistics: please tell me why I can't find any that post-date 2011?

 Are you now saying that the 25% of indigenous females who were raped were raped prior to 2011? Strange! You've been arguing for months that instances of rape have rocketed since the last wave of refugees. What is it now? 50%?, 75%?. Are you now telling me that all you've been saying is based on hearsay?

If you would like statistics for England you can contact the Ministry of Justice where your request for information will be handled under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. I've always found them to be very helpful and up to date. When I last contacted them regarding rape statistics, June 2014, they provided me with statistics up to and including March 2014. I know the Scandinavian countries have the same service and a similar law on information.

So,my answer to your question must be: You are not trying hard enough OR you are looking in the wrong places!

TIP: newspapers are not reliable sources.

41 minutes ago, threegee said:

And, I actually didn't say the weather was bad - that reflects your though process, not mine.

No, you didn't. You said the weather was "colder than I could ever have imagined". I used the adage, "there is no bad weather, only bad clothing" to demonstrate a point. Clearly I didn't do it very well. Let me try again.

'Bad' weather need not be cold weather and cold weather need not be bad weather. It all depends on whether or not you are wearing appropriate clothing.

Refugees in Sweden do not need to suffer from weather they are not used to. This is thanks to the generosity of a great many Swedes - those who have managed to retain a humanitarian approach to life - who emptied their wardrobes and who gave appropriate clothing to new arrivals. Until they were outfitted they were advised to stay indoors. Not that advice is necessary, to those who open the door in teperatures of -25 wearing a thin cotton dress or shirt. It's a bit like me going outdoors in +50 in Thailand wearing a fur coat. I've got enough grey cells functioning to tell me to stay indoors or change my clothes.

Everything is relative, 3g, everything is relative.

31 minutes ago, threegee said:

Refugees refusing to leave bus in 'too cold' Swedish village to be removed

"The group refusing to get off the bus have complained about being in a forest dozens of kilometres from the nearest town, and many of them have demanded to be taken to a big city, or even to Germany". 

The above quote is taken from the same article and that is exactly how it was reported here. The refugees refused to leave the bus because of the isolated area. The low temperatures were not an issue for them, but for the bus company which feared  the refugees would freeze to death when the engine could no longer be kept running. One story, two differnt sides to it. Which report is correct? I've no idea. It's two reporters adjusting text to cater for the needs of two different groups and ulyimately, of course, to sell newspapers.

9 minutes ago, threegee said:

Because all the very many other sources would have suffered an immediate ad hominem credibility attack.

Having, at university level, thoroughly researched the use of linguistic and paralinguistic features in newspaper reporting, I'm afraid I no longert have many good words to  say for ANY newspaper - regardless of its political standing or client group. Newspapers write for a specific group of customers and they adjust their text accordingly.  Some newspapers, however, stand out from the crowd. My criticism of them remains. It is in no way ad hominem as it is an objective criticism based on my education and is  in no way personal. I think you are feeling threatened again. This is not my intention. My intention is to try and balance the statements you make with statements made by others. That does not mean that I agree with either one or the other. It simply means that there are two sides to every story. It's not a bad idea, for anybody, to read both sides and decide for themselves.

8 minutes ago, threegee said:

I took as my source that thoroughly right-wing reactionary publication The Guardian. 

Date of publication please. It's always good to read for oneself.

7 minutes ago, threegee said:

It there a medicine to treat an entire national epidemic of denial-of-the-stark-facts?

Very much doubt it, otherwise the 'leaves' and the' remains' wouldn't be going at it hammer and tongs as they are just now.

His bark is worse than his bite really. Try thinking of him as a cute cuddly teddy bear. It usually takes the edge off.

Happy birthday to you

Happy birthday to you

Happy birthday dear Foxy

Happy birthday to you.

Sung to the tune of 'Happy birthday to you'.

Hope you have a nice day.

5 hours ago, threegee said:

P.S.  You know your "they can't speak the language" bit above?  I was wondering what I'd do if I got to a bit of the promised land and found out they spoke a funny entirely non-English language, and also found out that it was colder than I could ever have imagined.  Boy, I'd be upset!  I could be sooo upset I might turn a bit antisocial and go out and... no... no... unthinkable!

I think what I'd do is try to find another bit of promised land that spoke universal English and that was maybe a tad or two warmer.  It would help a lot if it had a generous social security system like cold place promised land, and if they aspired to having the highest minimum wage in the world, and had a much bigger economy, and a global outlook... well...wow, it would be like the streets were paved with gold there.  So.. once I got all my promised land documentation (and my free €400 dental treatment), and picked up the other goodie bags from cold place promised land (and had been terribly careful NOT to rape any of the gorgeous cold place promised land women),  I'd be setting out for that other bit of the promised land, no matter how many millions of immigrants in all the other parts of promised land had had exactly the same idea as me.  You know, if I lost any time it could be that the universal English speaking bit of promised land realised that it was about to be entirely overrun, and actually did something about the utterly crazy open borders idea.

Important note: In the above story any resemblance between the fictitious nations mentioned, and real nations - both living and having committed auto-genocide - is entirely coincidental.

Just because you don't like the cold does not mean that everybody has to dislike it. Here in Sweden, we have a saying - There is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing - If you don't have the right clothing you stay indoors. Likewise, just because you would be so upset about the weather that you would  'turn' a bit antisocial and you  would go out and rape someone (that is what you're suggesting, isn't it?), doesn't mean that everybody would do the same thing.

Really, 3g, there are perfectly good medicines available today. Why are you allowing yourself to suffer?

7 hours ago, threegee said:

the areas where old people do have to queue to pay their €400

Again, put your money where your mouth is. Which areas are you referring to?

I've made a few enquiries as to the €400 tooth. Nearest thing I can come up with is a titanium implant. These are not subsidised and if you think any refugees are getting these you are sadly mistaken. Many non-refugees (Swedes) take a holiday in Poland or Estonia and have the work done there. 

7 hours ago, threegee said:

Surely the country where everyone stands in a circle, holds hands, gazes at the midnight sun, and imagines a better world (one where less than 25% of indigenous females will suffer a rape)?

There you go with your Boolean logic again.

"EVERYONE stands i a circle". I've lived here 30 years and never seen ANYONE stand in a circle. The children dance in a circle at Midsummer celebrations but that's the nearest thing I've seen to standing in a circle.

"EVERYONE" ..."gazes at themidnight sun" How many people do you think live north of the polar circle in Sweden? That's the only place the midnight sun can be seen and it is the most thinly populated area of Sweden.

"EVERYONE" ... "holds hands". At one time or another in their lives, I'm sure that MOST people in Sweden hold hands with someone else. Not at the same time however and definitely not in a circle while looking at the midnight sun.

"EVERYONE" ... "imagines a better world". Better being a relative description, of anything, it's hard to know just what you are imagining here. Everything is relative 3g, everything is relative.

A world "(one where less than 25% of indigenous females will suffer rape)". Put your money where your mouth is. Show me official figures for any country in the world where 25% of the indigenous, female population has suffered a rape. I'd very much like to discuss these figures with you. If you wish, I can start by requesting official figures from the scandinavian countries and from England.

30 minutes ago, threegee said:

I notice you skipped over the important bit about mass immigration, and the reason for mentioning dental care in the first instance. 

I didn't skip over anything. I took up the one point I feel qualified, as an OAP, to take up - my state pension and my dental care as such. We are having no problems with dental care in this area, yet we are one of the areas with most refugees. My hubby needed emergency treatment a couple of weeks ago and was seen within an hour. Doesn't exactly sound as though there are queues a mile long preventing people getting an appointment. Refugees are not seeking dental care (they don't know where to and if they did they can't speak the language). All refugees are given a full medical on arrival and it is the Swedish authourities who decide what needs to be treated and what not. 

7 hours ago, threegee said:

Swedish MEP Peter Lundgren said Denmark and Sweden were already “on the brink” of quitting

For those who don't know, Peter Lundgren is an MP for Sverigedemokraterna (Swedens Democrats) - the Swedish approximate equivalent of Ukip. It's always good to know whose side the speaker is on don't you think?

1 hour ago, threegee said:

the elderly have seen their state pensions cut and must still pay 400 euros for a new tooth.

My state pension hasn't been cut (it's better than the one I get from Britain) and neither has my old man's and the price of dental work has long been a bone of contention in Sweden. My last check-up, no work required other than the customary scrape and polish included in the price, was just under 100 GBP. Because of these prices, many Swedes prefer to travel to Poland or Estland for dental treatment. Even so, I think 400 euros for ONE new tooth may be a figure taken out of the blue. You can get a full set of dentures for that as they are heavily subsidised by the government.

The rest I can't comment on. It doesn't seem to have made the news here.

9 hours ago, mercuryg said:

I'm still very single! Looking to stay that way,

Darn! I knew there'd be catch to it.  I'm  She's devestated.

5 minutes ago, threegee said:

Have they got this angle covered?

No. I'm afraid it hasn't been mentioned.

News reports here today state that the latest opinion poll in Britain shows a swing towards 'Remain'. In the next breath they state that "Britain's opinion polls are notoriously unreliable". That's got all angles covered I think.

Of course I have friends! You must have misread all of 3g's posta as well. He's always referring to my "friends".

Yes, I read that but it doesn't change my opinion. From what I've read up until now about his life style and his health (assuming that I can believe what's written) , I don't think he had any type of cognitive or affective disorder that could account for that type of action. That is not to say that he did not have mental problems. Of course, I may be totally wrong, we'll have to wait and see.

Having a mental illness does not automatically make you a murderer and all mental illnesses do not involve difficulties in interpreting the social signals of others. If such was the case then I'm pleased I'm not living in the UK where 1 in 4 of the population have had a mental illness diagnosed (not counting those in hospital and prison).

I, personally, will be very surprised if Mair's actions (assuming of course that he is guilty) are found to be the result of either cognitive or affective disorder. IF we are to believe all we read then I'd go along with him being a loner - intentional or unintentional, as the case may be.

You can USE an oven! Can you also use a washing machine? How about a vacuum cleaner? And the million dollar question - are you already married? (asking for a friend).

IF, and that's a mighty big IF, we can believe all we read and hear in press and media then "Nutter Mair" suffers from OCD (according to his half brother). OCD is not a psychoses. OCD does not detatch the sufferer from reality though it is an illness. Just listened to the news here and I understand that the anti-terrorist squad are now involved in the enquiry.

I retract the last questions. I've just found the source.

1 hour ago, threegee said:

Maybe someone should have pointed out to him the essential irony in buying "FREE SPEECH" publications on the very same order as he bought the plans for making a gun!

Might one ask where that came from? Are we sure it's the same Thomas Mair?

20 minutes ago, moe19 said:

I sincerely hoped this young woman's death would  not  be used as a political tool but it seems some of the press are already doing so 

I sincerely hope so too, Moe but, as you point out, it's already being twisted and turned to suit the economic needs of the press. Newspapers need to be sold!

I personally don't know how they can claim either, mental illness or political motivation as the cause. It may be neither, it may be both. The man has been in custody since five minutes after the attack. No reporter has interviewed him. 

The story is mainline news here both on radio, TV and in the press.The motivation is most often given as political, but of course there is an enormous interest in the coming referendum here. It's been seen to be everything from right-wing activism to left-wing referendum tactics!