Everything posted by Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)
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That old-maps site has many more maps from the different eras than the National Library of Scotland but I get the impression the old mapmaker must have spent some time in the Bebside Inn & The Rose and Crown? Paradise Row appears to be the only row where the name doesn't change through time. I couldn't find a Brick row either. Only one close was a Back Row (with a Front Row in front of it) but that was across the river on the Bedlington side at the top of the Furnace bank. I have 'book marked' the old-maps site for future reference.
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Both Planning Applications - updated 31/05/2016 :-
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Couldn't find any evidence of a Brick Row. Could probably come up with a Stephen Fry type 'dubious theory' on Paradise Row, Stone Row, Back Stone Row & Sea View based on how things changed within the publications of the 1897 - 1922 - 1937 & 1959 maps but it's facts we need. No facts iro the buildings come with this, but have you seen this c1930 photo (from one of Evan Martins books) of the Furnace Bridge area that in the background shows the Bebside rows you are looking into?
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Unfortunately not.
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Canny Lass - are you using 'findmypast'? I am not registered on this site (or any genealogy site) so can't get access to the newspaper article referenced on this site :-
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Your right, I was using Google, it's way out showing the B1330 as Red Row but the B1331 as Steadlane up to Vulcan Place. I must start using road numbers rather than pubs when giving directions!
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Canny Lass - what map are you looking at, the B1330 is further north, at Red Row on the way to Amble, on all the maps I look at. Are you looking at the maps on :- http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=16&lat=55.1335&lon=-1.5654&layers=39&b=1&point=55.1326,-1.5691 - 1858 through to 1947? I always thought Reedy's list covers the rows, on the Bebside side of the river,between the Furnace Bridge and heading East to the railway bridge. I know that doesn't help with - 'What happened to Paradise Row?' and I doubt there is any details on-line, but I will have a search, or two.
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Reedy - update to your dad's list - The Families from Bedside Furnance 1940-1952 - from a Bygone Bedlington member :- 'Bridge House was divided into two dwellings the downstairs was occupied by Mrs Munley and daughter Margaret and Mr Harrison.The upstairs was occupied by my wifes parents Mr.R.Parker and Mrs Queenie Parker from Early 1930s to 1944 after which time they moved to 18 Back Stone Row living between Mr.Stan Brooks and Mr & Mrs Leightley'
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Subject reopened, for me. Postal vote arrived and landed flat, heads up, Kardean flooring, installed by Michael Metcalf contractors. Post Immediately opened; vote/cross placed on the ballot paper; ballot paper folded and inserted into envelope A and envelope A sealed; postal voting statement completed with my date of birth and signature; completed postal voting statement and envelope A, with ballot paper inside, slipped comfortably into envelope B and envelope B sealed. Passed envelope B to wife, to post along with hers. J. P. Morgan staff feel more secure. Final closure (and not an 'i', immediately, before 'e' in this posting)
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I did forget to add - all CIU members are well up with aware of the remote possibility of the coin landing on it's edge and that was to be covered by the - DON'T VOTE - plan. We, the old codgers, were aware that the 1993 revised study of the 'American Nickel dropping' giving the odds of 1 in 6,000 of a coin dropped with randomized initial conditions from a height onto a flat surface did not take into account that the majority of club tables were not level - 9 out of 10 have a crude attempt at equilibrium by the multiple folding of a beer mat that is wedged under one leg of said tables. I must apologise to my readers for misleading this debate and I will arrange a referendum to determine what affect this had. That was my point 3g. Just like many arguments and counter arguments are posted on this site, why should Joe public, or CIU man, have any idea what will benefit individuals or the nation. I will stick to tossing my coin (and read into that whatever you want). ie ( and that one follows nothin!) subject closed, for me.
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Do we vote for what benefits the nation or what benefits our self? So if one party says - 'vote on our side' we should vote on their side but if the other party says - 'no they are wrong' we should vote for the other party. If the other party then counters the argument to vote for the other party should we vote for the alternative? If there isn't an alternative then do we hire a white campaign bus and convince the undecided to surrender? If all the old codgers at the club are content with their final lot and the only time this referendum comes up is when when one old codger says - 'ee uu lot, wi divin't want a discussion in here aboot referendun. When your postal votes arrive, dig oot that lucky coin and decide - heads for one party and tails for the other. Spin the coin, decision made. I'm singing and dancing in the rain, doo be do do, do be doobe dodo, doo be do do, do be doobe dodo, doo be do do, do be doobe dodo, ..................
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Photo from Bygone Bedlington Facebook site - posted by Joanne Stephenson on behalf of her mother - No 14 Margaret Eason -
Jim Rutter, No 5 in the photo has confirmed the year - 1954 - and many names added. -
Then & Google street view 2009
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Thank you, but I'm just collating the pics from other peoples collections , the www and Google street view. It's thanks to Foxy, John Dawson, Blank & Cympil (and others I will have missed) that have supplied most of the Then photos.
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The map in the compilation photo is from a series that can be accessed on the National Library of Scotland maps. The link to the front page is :- http://maps.nls.uk/ and the link to the Bedlington area series of maps is :- http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=16&lat=55.1335&lon=-1.5654&layers=39&b=1&point=55.1326,-1.5691 Clearer image showing the Puddlers' Arms -
Additional comment by Gloria Lawrie on the Bygone Bedlington Facebook site was :- 'I did have some self interest when I did the research for the Bedlingtonshire History Society with another member - started 2009 finished it 2011 - My ancestors had the Gardener's Arms, The Black Bull, The Tankerville, Barrington Arms and the Cross Inn. Maybe that is why I enjoy real ale! Last I saw of the research was at a FFHS exhibition at Stannington in 2011, but I thought it was going to Woodhorn. I still have most of my notes if any queries.' -
Foxy, courtesy of one of his mates, comes up with the old pub sign - The Railway Tavern. Don't know the year the photo was taken but as the level crossing gates & warning light system are in place I would guess at after the wooden foot bridge was removed in 1973. -
Jakes Bar, Clayton Street. I know nothing about Jakes bar - when it opened or when it closed. Nothing on the www and even Google Street doesn't go past it! However Joyce Scott ( Shep) wrote a comment on the Bedlington remembered Facebook site :- 'think back to the 60's do you not remember it as Thompson stores ? Went through several changes and it was opened by a local lass ( Vicky Buckham), as a cafe bar, and then Ivans Bar , then another local ( davy ? forget name) at min' -
Turks Head Inn - a descendant (tracing family tree) of 'Petrie on the Ancestry site posted - "The Petrie's were Inn Keepers in Bedlington itself. Looking through the Census info, in 1841, the whole area was just listed as High Street, so not many clues, in 1851, there seem to be no actual addresses listed at all for Bedlington, but in 1861, an address was given. It is in Market Place, and looks like Howard 'something' (maybe Howard Arms ??) - Does this ring any bells with anyone ? It looks like it is between an adress called Kyles (or Wyles) Yard and the Turks Head Inn." - in the bedlington community site. Also in the bedlington community site 'Fourgee' posted - "The Turks Head was the building next door to what is now the Market Tavern and later became the Terrier Plate Works, Millne department store, the Co-op, various supermarkets (kwik save and another I can't remember). It's now part of Tesco used for storage." Now that Tesco is no more I assume it is just empty awaiting it's next owner. -
Neither can I Percy Arms - became Italian restaurant in 2013. Did have a reputation in the 60's as the place for first shift workers to call in for a pint after work and the place where if you won a Domino Card you had the choice of cash or the chance to enhance your Carnal Knowledge. Never won a domino card! The pub where me, and many others, spent most of our social life in mid & late 60s. Saturday nights normally ended with Mr Aisbet (and probably others) belting out old tunes on the piano accompanied by well lubricated voices. -
Top Club - the last building it occupied was known as Garth House or The Laird's House, in Bedlington conservation area. The last time I checked for any info (months ago) it was up for sale on Rightmove site for £165,000. Don't know what the latest position is on sale or renovation of the property but I expect some members have some updates they could add to this posting. Before moving to The Laird's House, after the fire, the club had temporary accommodation in a portacabin type structure. Can't find an photo of that cabin but expect Foxy might just have one, from the inside. -
Wheat Sheaf Inn (pre 1886) - Front Street East - demolished in the 1950's and a block of flats built on the land. Wansbeck Court Care home now stands on the land. Info and image from 'james' on this site. -
The Railway Tavern - can't find an image of this pub with a sign saying The Railway Tavern. In the early 60's the pub was referred to locally as Graigsie's (think that's the right name) after the tenants They said that this was the first pub in the North East to have 'discotheque' lights. The lights made your beer look the colour of sump oil and your black suit looked like it was covered in dandruff. Definitely one of the places for a fight at chucking-out time and normally the local copper - Big Jock (I think) was often on hand to calm things down or sometimes join in just for the fun of it.
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When the photo with the text about the 'Monkey in the window so locals would know there was beer available' was posted on the Bygone Bedlington Facebook site the following comments were posted :- Gloria Lawrie :- Sorry think that was a false story. I researched the origin of the name several years ago for a relative and descendant of 'Monkey Lizzie' and came to the conclusion it was called 'The Monkey' because their beer was supplied by the Harlepool Brewery. Hartlepool famous for hanging the monkey thinking it was a french man. Gloria Lawrie :- Would be good if the story could be proved true! My relative has Monkey Lizzie's ring given to her by soldiers that frequented the pub after her husband's death. If you are interested I researched the pubs and ale houses of Bedlington for the History Society about six years ago. I thought our research was going to Woodhorn? Gloria Lawrie Should add - Eggy1948 - that Elizabeth Wilson (Monkey Lizzie) had the pub during the first world war. So it already had the nickname a long time before your uncle was born. Another story was that she was given a monkey as a present but couldn't find any truth in that one either.
