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LOOKING OVER THE EDGE OF THE PIT SHAFT - THE CAGE ROPE DISAPEARS OUT OF SIGHT
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From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- This was a very difficult shot to get,for obvious reasons! The flaring at the bottom ,was caused by the flashgun reflecting.Note the cage guides and water pipes at the left side. -
WILLYS EIMCO 625 MECHANICAL SHOVEL IN 10s TG STENTON - THROUGH SHOOT
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clockworklozenge :- Maybe one day in a few million years a new generation of miners may stumble across a perfectly fossilised eimco mucker ;-) high pit wilma :- Heh!Heh! Like an old abandoned bentley in a farmyard barn...Be funny if they switched it on and it started tracking forward...Ready ti redd the caunch.....!! Cheers clockwork lozenge! morrisoxford61 :- bloody governments, in any other country all this equipment would be salvage and re used after all old it may be, but only th every best materials were used and it was well looked after Ted McAvoy :- All these photos are going to be classic archive material. Thanks for taking them and posting them. high pit wilma :- Thanks Ted!..enjoyed some of your photostream also,but was falling asleep going through them late at night,suffice to say you have some stunners in there,especially the 1934 -39 set! Will try another time to check them out again. Cheers! Owen Edwards :- you'd be surpised how long machiney can last for underground and flood, at Beamishs Great North Steam Fair they had a Engine that was uncovered while open casting, had been down the abandoned pit for 100 years, and amazing how intact it was. where there was oil it kept the water out. high pit wilma :- Yea, Owen,i was there,and saw all the exhibits,fascinating stuff!,only the difference was, it wasn't lying doon in the 3/4 seam at Bates pit,cos the water there,was analysed in the labs,at the N.C.B. Research centre,to find out why it was corroding electrical panel-boxes,and shearers,and everything on a 1 million pound mechanised coalface,[in the early 1970's!],to destruction,in 6 months,when the same equipment was lasting 2 or three years on faces at other pits,and even in the other seams at Bates,such as the Plessey seam. The hydraulic chock legs were being changed every day,somewhere on a face,like changing your shirt,in big numbers.....if a shearer wasn't switched on over the weekend, to keep it running,you couldn't switch it on at all,by the time Sunday night midnight shift went inbye to start coalwork! Electrician's had to go in every shift over a weekend,to lubricate,and move the switches on every bit of gear in the place. The water was found to be six times saltier than seawater,and three times more corrosive, so i don't hold much hope out for my old Eimco shovel lasting out!! hoggy03 :- When i went on the old bates site with my brother and dad, when they knocked down blyth power stations chimneys i saw loads of old bits of pit equipment and my dad told me what it was and what it would be used for i was amased to find so much stuff and in good shape and i recently saw the great mounds of metel and concrete from bates and thought "shame", destroy and prefectly good pit and build houses on the site not another pit. high pit wilma :- Aye,Hoggy,i bet i'm not exaggeratin' when i say that they left the equivalant of the nation's purse doon there,throughout all the pits in the country,totalled up. You reckon it up,at Bates alone,hundreds of millions of pounds worth of equipment,like Dosco Roadheaders,£30 million pounds EACH!...,Complete face installations,with TWO longwall Shearers on each face,200 6-legged hydraulic face "chocks"..[roof supports], All the associated auxiliary equipment,like Gullick hydraulic pumps,[needed to power the face chocks],miles of cables,hundreds of electrical panel-boxes,and transformers,pipes,rails,mine cars,i could go on and on,but it wouldn't bring home the value of all this gear,to the average layman. Each coalface installation cost,in 1986,nearly £100 million.....there was always at least Six, to eight,faces working,at any one time...[Plessey and 3/4drift+the "Newbiggin drift"] But they still cut the ropes,where your Dad is hanging from,in the pic where he is standing on the top of the cage..........on thatcher's orders!....and left it all to ROT! bewildebeeste :- The average layman just googled Dosco Roadheader and even I can tell that these bits of kit are not cheap! For the record there is just as much stuff down the Salt mines underneath Cheshire that was abandoned rather than salvaged over the years. high pit wilma :- Hi beeste mate! Thanks for your comments,and i'm interested to hear about the salt mines ,which i knew nothing about! Were the mines being worked in recent years?,cos up here in Northumberland,Durham and Cumbria,there are loads of ancient Fluospar,Fruorite,Galenite,etc,Mines,so i would have thought....hmm...salt mines?....machinery?....recent times?...please educate me! Cheers Mate! -
WILLYS EIMCO 625 MECHANICAL SHOVEL IN 10s TG STENTON - THROUGH SHOOT
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From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- The machine was never salvaged. Typical of coal-board policy.."cheaper to abandon than to salvage...."Together with HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of pounds worth of machinery left underground in all the mines in which i worked, since 1959, at the very least [ from my personal experience!!] -
BILL AND TOM AFTER PUTTIN A GIRDER CROWN UP ON THI FOREPOLES
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high pit wilma :- After working for years at other pits,in low seams,these roadways seemed massive,at first... high pit wilma :- This is a 14' wide x 10' high roadway,using 3-piece arched girders to support the roof and sides. At Choppington high pit,all main roads were 12' wide x 8' high,but at the Beaumont seam,where there was a tremendous amount of roof and side pressure ,some roadways were crushed down to about 4 or 5' high,and narrowed right in,so you had difficulty getting your pit pony through the workings,and it was bloody hard work transporting anything in. jojojood :-We used to drive levels for a retreat wall using a dosco dintheader,14 ft roof rails,6ft 8in. legs,at the end of the shift we would use 8 to 10 in wooden center props in heavy roof areas,many times we find them the next day broken in the middle like match sticks.Only then would management take our advice and give us steel center props. high pit wilma :- Hi jojojood! Yeah,it was always the same here,management knew the "bookwork",but they knew absolutely NOTHING about "pitwork",as we did..! We had several coalfaces,longwall,advancing,that would take one shear off,with an A.B. Longwall Shearer,then it would take three weeks to "bump" [advance] the face chocks...the face was broken heavily throughout,and it would take all day to advance and timber up ONE face support,[six-legged dowty chocks] This went on at Bates pit,for a year or two,losing millions of pounds,deliberately,so they had a "justifiable" reason for closure..! When one face was installed with braced-leg "Rev-lem" chocks,it went away like hell,MAKING millions of pounds,but the Director of mining at Teem Valley,Gateshead,wouldn't sanction our Manager to buy in more installations of REV-LEMS,cos HE wanted the pit closed,so he kept sending full sets of inferior,[for the job],dowty chocks,and in the process,risked all our lives,completeley unnecessary! AND this is a well-known fact! AND THEY DID CLOSE THE PIT!! high pit wilma :- Now it's more than 3 years since i posted the comments above,and i notice no'one has disputed my words...... Today,on the National TV news ,on 28-12-12,archive secret documents have been released ,that show how thatcher - the -hatcheter sent our troops to the Falklands to re-take the islands by force,against strong appeals by President Reagan to hand the situation over to international peace-keeping forces....with absolutely NO AIR-POWER WHATSOEVER. She risked our lads lives to save her face..FULL STOP. What hasn't been released is the FACT,that she later brought our lads back to England in 1984,and dressed them in police uniforms,to literally beat the Miners into submission during the 1984 Miner's strike...and i kow this as a fact...due to a good friend who's Son was one of those Soldier's who had to obey commands and go against his own Father on the picket line,by a sheer billion-to-one chance meeting,as they were marching with absolute precision past the pickets one day. ....This begs two qustions to be answered by the government. 1 Are our police force normally trained up to the hilt,to march up to six abreast...or whatever number abreast is required....with military precision?..[ which takes weeks of square-bashing....!] 2 Where did the literally thousands of "Policemen" disappear to immediately after the strike was over?........there has been calls for an increase in the Police force to combat crime,how come we don't have enough?.......watch any old documentaries about the strike.......you can't see the trees for the cops........millions of the buggers....! That's my rant for the end of the year 2012.........and i think it's a very justifiable rant! ....now,with regards to the above comments,she was again risking our lads lives,including my own,by sending inferior equipment onto our coalfaces for us to work under.......she has a lot to answer for,but fortunately for her,or should i say....conveniently for her.......she is now dementia'd,which i bet a lot of it is manufactured considering how we are now in culture of claims,and police raking up skeletons in cupboards.....minister's expenses,Saville....etc. It should be investigated as to the legality of her government sequestrating the N.U.M.'S FUNDS,during the 1984 strike,amounting to millions of pounds,and also the fact that she stopped CHILD BENEFIT,to the wives of striking miners,creating suffering to those children who were totally innocent of the world around them.......my blood is starting to boil thinking about it.............. bewildebeeste :- From what I know about the US position regarding the Falklands....The US administration was split in half...half wanting to support Maggie, the other half not wanting to cause what they saw as unneccesary tension in South and Central America (who still view the US with a degree of suspicion - i'm thinking of Chavez in Venezuela for one). There is self interest in every political decision unfortunately. high pit wilma :- Aye,a agree totally wi yi there beeste!!!!! high pit wilma :- Well well well...!....she's rotting in hell!!!!!!!! The celebrations are over now she's gone,and now that it's 30 years since the Miner's 1984 strike to try and save the industry from destruction by this evil thing,,,,[I cannot bring myself to say.."woman"...cos she was, I think, a man in drag..!]... .....,Documents are being released which clearly state that thatcher-thi-hatcheter,planned over 70 pit closures,[whilst blatantly denying it in the press and tv reports!],and also planned to bring in troops onto our streets....which of course,we already know that she did that anyway. Scargill was demonised for his stance,and I am sick of hearing people who know nowt aboot thi industry whatsoever,saying he should have had a ballot. Are these people so gullible and literally stupid to suggest one man could call a National strike,of the biggest,most powerful union,in the country,single-handedly,with no votes at all,and no instructions or support from the National Executive Committee? They all live in COOKKOO....COOKOOO....COOKKOOOOOOOOOOO-LAAAAAND!!!!!!!!!!!! OF COURSE WE VOTED! UNLESS I DREAMT THAT ONE DAY I WENT TO WORK,AT BATES PIT,AS USUAL,AND THERE WERE THESE FUNNY-LOOKING BIG BLACK BOXES,IN FUNNY-LOOKING BOOTHS,WITH FUNNY-LOOKING MEN HANDING OUT FUNNY-LOOKING BITS OF PAPER AND ADVISING ME TO GO INTO ONE OF THESE BOOTHS AND PUT A FUNNY-LOOKING CROSS....LIKE A CHILD WOULD,ON THIS BIT OF PAPER....AND FOLD IT UP.....AND PUT IT IN THE FUNNY-LOOKING BLACK BOX......! WHAT COULD THIS ALL MEAN.....I WONDER....WAS THIS A VOTE TAKING PLACE....OF JUST FUNNY MEN ACTING SILLY FOR A LAUGH? FUNNY THING WAS,.........I HEARD THAT EVERY PIT IN THE UK ......YES....NATIONALLY......THEY ALL DID THE SAME FUNNY THING......WHAT A FUNNY LOT US MINERS MUST HAVE BEEN.......! high pit wilma :- I forgot to add that the above comment ,and this one, were posted on this day,Saturday-20th of September,2014,at 00.50.am high pit wilma :- 13-11-2015...and the news of the leak about thatchers plans were conveniently swept aside..or under the carpet...so to speak! -
BIG WILLY IN THE EIMCO 625 LOADING OUT A FULL SHOT
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From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- Driving in to a full shot to start loading the shot out onto the afc [on the right side in the darkness]..The AM16 coalcutter can be seen in the darkness, also at the right-side.My glennie can be seen hanging on the girder strut ,at the left side in the background. What a colourful scene ,isn't it friends ?!! BigLoada :- Another favourit shot of mine! Just noticed the Glennie too. Wouldn't have if ye hadn't said. high pit wilma :- AYE! That's the D.A.C. phone beside the glennie..[the white little box ] D.A.C. is the company name abbreviated,from "DERBY AUTOMATION CONSULTANTS"...Rugged as hell...they used to get blown away by the force of the blast,when shotfiring,but stillcame up working like hell..! BigLoada :- Mind you, I am not sure if "Glennie" is a universally known word or if its just a Northumberland/Scotland term. Kevnorth :- These photo's are so important to our local history Wilma Thanks for sharing them, they bring back memories for me as a young lad starting with the NCB at Lynemouth colliery where all of the seams were this high! Must admit after doing my training at Darnley Road Mining School in Ashington then working "On bank" for a short while before eventually being allowed below ground I didnt last long & packed in within 18 months....Like so many young lads I followed my Dad much to me Mams disgust! high pit wilma :- Cheers Kevnorth! Aye,it's aal gone noo,yi naa summick?...people who aav showed the pics tae,thought they were black 'n white pics.........[just quickly flicking through the actual prints]....it was a black and grey world that we worked in,and we nivvor gave it a thowt!! Until a got a job at bank in a hand-made furniture workshop in Morpeth,as a re-trained cabinet-maker...........good lighting,toilets, washbasins,blue sky,green grass,birds calling ootside,rabbits sitting on the grass aside the workshops,and a got ti thinkin'.......... WHERE THE HELL HAVE AA BEEN AAL ME LIFE???? BigLoada :- I'd love to get the neg for this and get a big reprint for my wall. I'll see you about it at the weekend! high pit wilma :- Can't lay my hands on the negs ,Loada, but i'll keep looking! Guy Sande :- Greetings, marra! What can you tell me about this fine Eimco machine? I'm curious - is it pneumatic, as I suspect it to be? Is it "windy" as well? We still run Eimco track muckers here in the Coeur d'Alene District, both 12B's and 21's: But I'm afraid rubber-tired (excuse me, TYRED :-) diesel powered LHD muckers are becoming dominant. BigLoada :-Hi SilverMiner. Me and High Pit Wilma have been busy this week, working on my old car. Havent had time to get on the internet. He will be along soon to answer your questions I'm sure! Love that little Eimco 12B. I have seen a few over here that were used in the fluorite mines in the 1970s. In fact, near us there is a mine worked by a group of Americans who come over here every summer to mine fluorite and they have a wonderful little eimco with caterpillar tracks. They have a good website with all their progress at www.ukminingventures.com/ high pit wilma :- Thanks Loada,for entertaining old "Silver pitman" in my absence!! Hi SilverMiner! The Eimco 625 shovel is Hydraulic-powered,with the hydraulics being provided by an onboard electrically-driven "power-pack",[as we called it..!] The actual base of the machine,containing the hydro-static motors,which drive the caterpillar tracks,is welded up,to form a big tank,which is referred to as "the hull",and this is where the reservoir of water/Aquacent mix is stored.The weight of the fluid acts as ballast,being so close to the ground. The power-pack is mounted behind where i am sitting,and consists of an electric squirrel-cage induction motor,driving a "Gullick" hydraulic pump,which picks up the fluid from the "hull",sends it to the tracks,and shovel rams,via the control handles,then "dumps" it back into the " hull". By our mining standards,it was a big shovel loader,and sometimes we had a detachable hydraulic drilling rig,which could quickly be mounted up top,after detaching the shovel loading gear.[but this one i am using,didn't have that luxury..!!..we had to "hump" the old windy driller,between the three of us,when it was time to drill out the round..!] It's 23 years ago,since i took these pics,and i can't rember the exact spec. of the machine,but i reckon it would shift a ton of stone,in one bucketfull,maybe a bit more,or less... The electric motor was supplied by flexible armoured cable,[which you can see hung up on a hook,near the roof,behind the machine], from an 1100volt 3-phase alternating current supply,the "panel-boxes"[switchgear],being mounted up on a platform,on the side of the "Crawley" Armoured flexible conveyor belt,onto which i am loading out onto.. Anything else i can help you with,please feel free to ask,if i can't answer you,i'll get answers from those who do know...old marra's of mine,fitters etc..!! cheers! high pit wilma :- ..Er..,SilverMiner, if you go right through my set,you will see a good pic of the Eimco,from behind,where i parked it up, ready for the fitters to strip down,but which never happened..![it's under water now,a few miles out under the North Sea......!!!] kellmarnumber1 :- WOW...this photo .brings back the good times i had with the lads - horrible place ,but the comradeship between us was and will be unforgetable....... high pit wilma :- Aye,kell,that's the only good thing there was down that black hole,comradeship and banter,second to none..! Mind you,it wasn't like everybody loved everybody else,if you are working among hundreds of men,sooner or later,a disagreement would crop up,fingers pointing right up each other's noses,threatening to "fill" each other in,all talk, then ten minutes later,you would be having a pinch of snuff with each other...[cos snuff was a tobacco substitute,seeing as you weren't allowed to smoke underground,due to Methane regulations] Miners policed their own environment,and we had to look after our marra's,as well as our own safety.[for everyone's good] high pit wilma :- By the way Silver Miner,you ask....."pneumatic?"...."Windy as well...?".............. ....."windy" is a slang [nickname]for any equipment that is driven by compressed air power. "Pneumatic" ...is the technical term for any such equipment. Cheers marra! -
R10s TAILGATE - ITS A DEPRESSING BLACK AND WHITE HOLE
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From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- Note the "epitaph"for the drivage..AND the colliery... on the face timbers..[zoom!] Kevnorth :-Seeing the NCB Black & White cheque plastic sheeting on the right in this photo brings back a few childhood memories! My Dad built a garage out of salvaged wood &used that plastic sheeting to waterproof the roof, back & sides! luckily because we lived in a colliery row of houses it didnt stand out that much lol! BigLoada :-Haha Kev I think everywhere in the pit villages used that pit plastic! We had loads on our garage roof too! high pit wilma :- Heh! Heh! A blast from thi past eh? Kev?!!!..funnily enough,it didn't keep us dry, cos it got blaan ti hell wi' thi shots! Kevnorth :- Wilma an update on the old pit plastic... I've recently moved up to Hadston and guess what my next door neighbours garden shed has the self same plastic sheeting on the roof and back, he swears it still holds up and doesnt leak a bit but he hasnt got a clue how long it's been on there as he's only lived there 25 years! Dr. Drewboy :-that looks really sad! oildrum1 :- The black & white sheeting was "Brattice" or "Brattice cloth", a fire resistant cloth or laterly plastic used to divert or confine the flow of air underground. But as mentioned had many other uses :-) Great underground pic too high pit wilma :-Hi Drewboy,and Oildrum1! Thanks for your comments guys,yes,it had many uses,i still have some in my dark loft space,to cover the xmas tree,and tree-toys-boxes....and iv'e been finished the pits since 1987!!!!![25 years],but mind,it's gone as hard as a board,and just stays in the shape of the bundled-up tree sections,when i bring the tree down for xmas! In modern pits like Bates,especially in the 3/4 seam,where the ventilation was so fierce,due to being not far from the shaft bottom,[only a couple of miles],that this stuff was never used for it's original purpose...diverting air......it was more used to lay over electrical panel-boxes and 6000volt transformers!!![to protect the gear from roof-water] Stephen Franks :- Looks wet!! high pit wilma :- Aye Wesdtrie,we used to say that you canna get any wetter than wet!!,and God gie yi waataproof skin,so ye'll dry oot the syem way ye got wet!! What isn't so evident is the amount of "droppers," and "runners",teemin in from the roof constantly,noo when ye were looking up ti put ya timbers in,or drilling ya top holes,ye got both a gud eyeful,and earful of salty seawater,which,upon analysis,was proven to be six times saltier than seawater,and three times more corrosive,which just seized up all the electrical switchgear handles over the space of a weekend. Electricians and fitters had a permanent run of weekend work to do maintainance of the gear to keep it in working order . Everything on the coalfaces used to rot quicker than it would on any other face in the country,so Bates was used as a base to test out prototype machinery. The crack was,if it works doon the three-quarter,it'll work anywhere in the world! -
PIT BATHS - CANTEEN
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BobbyG25 :- Hi HPW It's been a while since I have been in here. Hope you are keeping well. I'm living in the south now, retired and watching Ronnie Cambell on TV, Wednesday morning. Still miss the north and the way things used to be. How life has changed down here, feel like I am in a foreign Country. Take care high pit wilma :- Hi Bobby. My eldest Son has lived in North Finchley,London,for the last 26 years,and can still relate stories aboot gaan owa the Bomar heaps scratching for coal,in 1984,during thi strike..amang aal thi otha things he did as a kid growing up in a colliery hoose wi an ootside netty....in the '70s and 80's! Some people caal Ronnie Cambell a nugget etc....a divvent knaa why the Blyth people wud have voted him in for the last 27 years,if he was a nugget!! Aav hord mair gud reports aboot Ronnie,than bad ones mind. Me and him got on aal reet at Bates,even after a tried ti run him doon during the '72 strike.......!!![that was a pit joke started by Jimmy Hall,it was his favourite introductory peice when meeting anybody doon the pit,if a was present!!] If ever ye see Ronnie,ask him if he can remember the story! -
COAL STORAGE AREA - FACE CHOCK REPAIR SHED IN FOREGROUND
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bewildebeeste :- Plenty of NCB internal user wagons on this photo. The ones in the foreground (do they have chocks in them?) look like standard 16t minerals but the red ones in the background look like older tapered 7 planks dating from well before ww2. high pit wilma :- Hi bewildebeeste,the wagons have 12' and 15' long baulks,["baaks"],4' long rolleyway sleepers,and 2' long hardwood chocks[which were Beech,with a 6"x6" cross-section]. All these timbers are shown being crushed like cardboard,on the pic of R20's face,in this set. All the wagons are the same,different ages,certainly not pre-war!!,and not tapered either,long time since i saw the old tapered wagons,mind a mean a long time!! -
TAKEN FROM BATES CAR PARK
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BigLoada ~:- I just love the cars in this shot! Logan_5 :- A sight that will live for me, with the rest of my life (the iconic pitheads) Remember so much about this place, as a kid. Catching the pit bus with my dad at Stakeford on a Saturday morning. Getting to the pit - going to see the 'winder-man' and getting a sit in his chair! Going for a shower and being amazed by all the lockers in the locker room. Getting a remarkably brilliant breakfast at the pit canteen, before us getting the ferry over to Cambois to see my grandma and grandad. A top day! Wilma - my dad is Alan Burn and he sends his regards to you. BL says that my dad used to run the cable in for you to fire the shots? One of my biggest regrets, is that I never got a look down Bates. My dad said he'd take me down for a look when I was 18, but the place was shut by that time. Still disappointing even now. high pit wilma :- Hi Logan,thanks for your comments! Give my regards to your dad,me and Alan always got on great,we both have the same interest in cars...tell him i'm driving a vauxhall signum now,it's brilliant..! He knows me by my real name,[Bill]. Logan_5 :- D I'll tell my dad, Bill. Alan still loves his Vauxhalls - he's flying around in a 2.5 Omega now. Didn't you nearly buy his Vauxhall Ventora off him, back in the early 70's? Remember Dean telling me that story! high pit wilma :- Hi , Logan! Heh! heh! i knew big Al would have nothing less than the Omega,until Vauxhall decide to think about the next executive motor!! Yeah, i was gonna buy his Ventora,cos i loved them,mine had been written off,but dad's needed a bit work,and he was totally honest with me,even advised me to keep looking around for a better one! [ not many blokes would have done that!] My next one i had 6 years,and scrapped it,my third one i had 6 years, and i was wrote off on a busy road in london...13 years in total of ventora's.[nobody can tell me owt aboot them..i had every fault on a car you can possibly think of!!] hoggy03 :- Hi Bill, i found out the dark blue van in this shot is my dad's, a person who stands out in a crowd and well known for his van's, great shot with getting the cars and the headgear in, was the shot takin looking to the east? high pit wilma :- Hi Hoggy, yes,this is looking eastward. The views from the headgear pulleys,give you a better idea which direction you are looking down at. Cheers! -
PIT STORAGE COMPOUND - FACTORIES IN THE BACKGROUND
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hoggy03 :- It is a idiotic idea to build on bates because of all the hazards pit lagons, mine shafts, water and the rest, not a place for kids or teenagers for that matter never should have been considered for building on and my dad agrees completly, i would have like to see another pit built there but that will never happen. high pit wilma :-Hi Hoggy! Does it ever mek yi wonder where thi brains are in high places? Chek oot me pic of thi waata standage,in thi 3/4 seam,where thi panel boxes are at thi opposite side ti the explosives[pooda]magazines,standing next ti a brick wall haading haaf a million gallons o' waata back...! Noo THAT'S brains fo' yi...!! ......and a school on top of pit waste heap/compoond/toxicated area,next ti THREE pit shafts.......whey.......!!!!!!!!!! Three pit shafts? Did yi knaa that the aad Bates "North " pit shaft was capped wi concrete,[might hae been filled in,but a divvent think sae..],and it's up where the "top" car park used ti be,next ti Netto's on thi corner there... Yi cud hear it hissing,drawing air in through cracks in thi concrete,one time,when thi big fans were ventilating thi pit,but a was looking for thi capping,t'otha day,and it's aal owa grown wi grass and bushes noo. Noo if it was tekkin' air in one time,it'll be letting styphe and aal sorts oot noo,nea matter hoo gud they sealed it...it'll just get diffused in thi open air,cos nowt'll stop thi pressure building up as thi pit gets flooded. That's my aan opinion anyway,mebbe aam glaaky,but time will tell...as it did at Widdrington.. Cheers Hoggy,thanks for your comments! hoggy03 :- yes i have seen the pic of the high explosives, electrical equipment and water held back by a brick wall, my dad says the management was rubbish and payed a part in the pits downfall, did they ever take the explosives out of the pit before it was demolised or was they left there, as well i looked though some of your other pics and saw you worked at ashington what did you do after it shut? high pit wilma :- Hoggy,there'll be pooda left in aal owa the pit,but it'll be safe noo, cos the salty sea-waata will have just dissolved it back doon ti nowt...... I got re-trained as a cabinet-maker,after i left the pits,but had several jobs,like driving,etc in between,cos after the pits aal closed doon,thatcher -thi - hatcheter,made sure smaal businesses couldn't survive either,and i worked in some lovely little workshops,making very expensive furniture,your Dad would have killed to work in!!! Ask him if he ever used a computer-controlled[NOT CNC!]...FOUR-SIDED planer!! You could feed a raggy pit prop into the feed-rollers,type in what section you required,[4x2 etc],and you would get your lovely smooth 4x2 plank spitting out of the delivery side...just like that! First time in my life that i ever looked forward to going to work in the morning,and i didn't want to come home at night,i enjoyed it so much...!!![oh.....and there wasn't any "foreshift" to work,either!] Cheers! -
BATES OWN SHIPPING BERTH - FROM THE HEADGEAR
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high pit wilma :- Hi Hoggy,thanks for the update,we're all a bit wiser now! At least somebody somewhere has had the sense to keep the plant operating,therefore securing jobs. Don't get the chance to check my photostream as often as i used to,due to commitments, Hoggy,and also Aj,plus any other visitors,so apologies to all if i don't reply straight away to any comments posted.[i really appreciate anyone showing interest in my photostream!] bewildebeeste :- hoggy03 Just a thought as to what kind of plastics/glass is going out of here - it wouldn't be domestic recycling would it? hoggy03 :- bewildebeeste I'm not sure, best person to ask would be somebody would works for the Port of Blyth. high pit wilma :- Pass on that one marra! -
PIT HEADGEAR TAKEN FROM UP THE PIT YARD SIDINGS
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Ron Dobson :- I see the supplies are ready to gan doon thu pit Cheer,s Marra high pit wilma :- Waatcheor Blythfoto1! Yi soond like a bloke whee cin unnerstand anotha geordie pitmin,aam a reet o' wat?!!! Heh heh! The supplies are just waiting o' aad Jack M. gaan owa wi he's bit o' chaak,ti mark thim aal off ,fo' wheor thi hae ti gaan...can yi mind canny aad Jack? Aad like ti contact yi by mail,if that's aal reet! Ron Dobson :- Hiya Bill/Marra - Aye yi can e-mail onytime yi like itid b nice ti hear from yi Coz usses hevta clag (ameen stick) tigitha aall fur noo Tek care high pit wilma :- That's chinkaplonka! Was Jimmy Kenny, "Auld Blue"?,or sum bugga else? Cheers marra! Ron Dobson :- Aye yur reet there Auld Blue smashing gaffa him (wi me onyway) Just a laddie and me pony doon thu pit.di yuh rememba Cecil Cessford and Bob Armstrong at the Bella(Bob yuh got thin leg,s Owt dis fur pit wurk says him gud times Tek care Marra and keep yur pooda dry tee.... tata high pit wilma :- Aye, a saw Aad Blue 2 or 3 yeors back,in thi Keel Raa,a think it was,wi his wife,and a spoke ti him,whey its neaorly fowerty yeors ago since a was a young deputy,youngest at thi pit,at thi time,aboot 1973,and so he didn't knaa me noo,but mind,he was still Aad Blue,aboot a hundred yeors aad,lukking at him,but still wi thi hair,and aal he's marbles upa height.....!! He telt me aal aboot he's faatha,and brotha's,and hoo he went ti neet school,afta redding a caunch aal day,ti get he's tickets. That's hoo he was a gud gaffa,he was a gud pitman as weel. cheers,and k.y.t.i. an aal!! Dr. Drewboy :- it's not the "original" configuration, right? it seems as there is only the left half of the shaft used and there should be two more wheels. Stephen Franks :- Did the coal come out in tubs or skips at this mine? high pit wilma :- Drewboy..spot-on,it was originally sunk with the intention of installing four cages,but it never happened. Wesdrie.....it was three and a half ton mine cars. -
MANRIDING WINDER HOUSE-VENTILATION FAN HOUSE-PIT SIDINGS
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BigLoada :- THis is a really great composition. It works perfectly, especially if like us one is familiar with the area. rigobonzo :- What time of the day was the photo taken. tarboat :- This is a cracking shot. high pit wilma :- Cheers, tarboat,and Loada! Rigo, it was taken during thi night shift,from up thi main heed gear, about 6 or 7 o'clock in thi evening.[no gaffa's knocking about then!] hoggy03 :- Great shot bill, what was the shed with the blue doors for near the road? high pit wilma :- Got ya Dad ti forever thank,for all these surface shots,from up on the headgear,Hoggy,it was a gud job we took thi chance ti get up there and create a bit of historical archive material![seeing as how the whole place has changed completely......] Noo,the shed.......,yi got me wondering mese'll noo! Zooming in on large size,yi can see the railway lines leading up to the building,which makes me think it might have been a shunting loco shed/garage/workshop..... Does Russ not know? Thanks for ya comments Hoggy! hoggy03 :- He said it was for the shipping plant, but i don't know if he was on about the same area as me. high pit wilma :-Hi Hoggy, i've added a note to the place i think you are on about. We might get some response from somebody...! hoggy03 :- Hi Bill, i have showed my dad the photo and he's says it is number 3 loco shed, so that has answered the question. high pit wilma :- Heh heh!....thas nowt us pitmen divvent knaa...eh? Gud ti get it sorted,Hoggy. Noo,yi got me wondering aboot things like that,aam thinkin'....a canna place,[in me mind], where the "back"[upcast] shaft was,at Bedlington aad pit...a naa it's nowt ti dae wi Bates,but it's buggin' me,just thi syem!! A was there 6 years,so a shud've knaan.....aam at a funny age noo,Hoggy....! Dr. Drewboy :- i agree - a really nice overview! Ron Dobson :- Hiya Bill,Added a few note,s.That was a loco shed but later it housed the Payloader,s used at the Shipping Plant,Shipping started at 5-0am and finished at 2100hrs and worked 5/6 day,s a week,kypd Take care marra high pit wilma :- Dr Drewboy-thanks for your kind comment.! blythfoto1 - Thanks fo aal ya info on wor pit! Keepahaud marra! ian Cummings :- Great pics all my family worked here cummings n brocks high pit wilma :- Hi,Geordieian, I knew Peter ,and Ronnie Brock, hellish gud workers they were and canny lads as weel. Peter got he's thumb fast in the Sylvester,one day,when he was pulling thi conveyor box-end in to tighten the belt up. The sylvester handle flew oot Peter's hand,as he was lifting the butterfly catch..[favourite thing wi sylvester's],and Peter's thumb was off. The Deputy bandaged him up,and was sending him ootbye,when he argued with the Deputy,he wasn't gaan ootbye,he wanted ti finish the job he had started. He had ti gaan oot,but he groused aal thi way ootbye!! -tough aad nut was Peter! Another one was the Owaman,Jack M.,he had two fingers taken clean off,and a third hanging on wi a bit o' tat,nearly off. He got his hand fast in the conveyor belt loop-take-up winch ropes. Deputy dressed his hand up,and he made ti gaan inbye,cos thi men had shouted owa the D.A.C. phone for his help with a Tirfor rope which had become fast inside thi tirfor. The Deputy said,"..A knaa where ye are ganning Jack.....ootbye....NOO" !! A canna mind thi Cummings....... Cheers marra! bradfordlad2012 :- are the houses still there ? high pit wilma :- fat lad, Hi marra! Yes the houses are still there....30 years later,[it's now 22-10-15] but the Cambois Power Station was demolished quite a few years ago,after the coal industry was savagely murdered by thatcher-thi-hatcheter and her evil greedy cronies. So is the Alcan Smelter closed,after the closure of Ellington Colliery,which was the smelter's nearest and largest supplier of coal for it's furnaces at it's own dedicated power station. -
VIEW OVER THE RIVER BLYTH. WEST GEARS AND RIDLEY ARMS PUB IN BACKGROUND
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Logan_5 :- The Ridley - aka the 'Wilick'. high pit wilma :- Heh! heh! Long time since i heard that used...! FREDOOO2 :- I used to attend the Willick on a more than regular basis,in fact my missis said I was in there longer than the wallpaper was,and the Vikings put that on!! high pit wilma :- Cheers Fred! Did the vikings not consecrate the original Willick?....!!!!! Philip Hodgetts :- Wonderful to see Bates as I remember it. I grew up on Taylor Street Cowpen 1968 - 1981. The panorama that filled my bedroom window was the power station the river and Bates including the West staiths. Sounds hideous I know, but I had plenty of fields to play in down by the river. Miss the old homestead. How things change with time. One of our neighbours Mr Simpson used to get coal by the ton load for my mum and dad which was delivered by side tipping Bedford TK in the navy blue of the NCB. How I remember the biting east winds in mid winter.... brrrrrrr.... rattling the old sash window and sticking the net curtain to the window in ice. Outside toilet too........ nearly stuck my arse to that bakelite seat on cold nights, so learned to 'hover' lol! Thanks for the memory. high pit wilma :- Thanks locohodgetts,now you woudn't happen to know anyone called "Wandre".....would you?,cos if you do,you know high pit wilma...![unless it might be your dad,or granda.....!] high pit wilma :- Plenty Hodgetts knocking aroond,but the word "Loco",as a pre-fix....! I bet Iano the fireman would cotton onto this one immediately,and be askin' what the hell did ye part wi the "Framus" for....! Have i got you,or do i sound like i am just rambling on....?!!!! Philip Hodgetts :- Hehe, no, you've got the wrong Hodgetts in mind. None of that means anything to me. Sorry. lol high pit wilma :- Ah weel, Hodgy, nivvor mind bonny lad,nice of you to appreciate my pics,and your kind comments! Ootside netty?!!,wors was bust pipe in the bleak mid-winter of 1976-ish,for a few weeks we had ti tek a bucket o' waata owa the yard ti flush the netty,afta we used it. Noo,a might hae me date wrang a bit,cos thatcher -thi-hatcheter was prime minister then,and when a couldn't get nae joy oot thi coaal board,ti get wa netty pipe fixed,and a had two little bairns gaan owa in freezing caad conditions,and not being able ti flush the netty,a wrote ti 10 Dooning Street,and addressed me nasty letter ti thatcher-thi-etc. Whey 2 days later the coal board foremen [2 of them!] knocked on me door,when aa was doon thi pit,and wor lass answered. They were both full of sheepish excuses as ti why we hadn't got wa netty fixed. One of them said.."Your man's been writing sumwheor,hasn't he?" Wor lass went through them like a dose o' salts...thi pipe was fixed thi next day!!! high pit wilma :- A forgot ti say that a got a reply from 10 downing street by return of post,all official letterheaded,and a letter from thatcher's personal secretary,apologising for the trouble we had wi wor netty,but that seeing it wasn't thatcher's dep't,she had forwarded my letter to the appropriate dep't in the national coal board..[building dep't at Ashington!] if a cud find me original letter copy,plus the reply from thatcher,a wud post them up here for posterity!! A wrote a few times since then,aboot different things,and aalwis got a speedy reply!! -
RUSSEL AT THE TOP OF THE PIT HEADGEAR
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high pit wilma :- That is a mighty big wheel!! frazerweb :- Hi, I'm an admin for a group called Colliery & Mine Photos, and we'd love to have this added to the group! Cool stuff high pit wilma :- Hi! No digi marvels here, this whole set was shot with a 40 yrs old HALINA 35X 35MM MANUAL FOCUS -SHUTTER-APERTURE- STEAM-DRIVEN,WITH GEAR LEVERS AS WELL.....! Pleased you like them,glad to have whatever shots,added to the group. Ray Hammond :- Superb sho,t great composition, Sadly all but lost of this Iconic period. german shepherd dog woof to my friends :- my dad had his accident at bates pit the shaf had fallen 50 ft to the bottom that was in the mid 70's nice photo with blyth power station in the back ground high pit wilma :- Hi max! Sorry to hear about your dad,the miner risked he's life as soon as he stepped into the cage,but we never thought about it. Your dad's accident must have been in the early seventies,before 1971,was it? I started bates in june 1971,and i'm thinking it must have been before i started.Correct me please... Ryan Hogg :- Nice to find this photo from bates, who took the photo of my dad then? high pit wilma :- Hi Hoggy! All this set is my own copyright. Purely my own work,if you go through the set , you'll find info on what camera i used.Russell kindly took me and my son [who was 14 at the time,i think...!] all around the washery,screens,winder hoose,etc,but unfortunately, that film was somehow lost,before being developed. But luckily this one got done. Do you know what trade your dad was in before he went on shaft work? Cheers! hoggy03 :- Very nice photo of my dad, im his second son, hoggy92220 is my older brother, i response to the question you asked my brother my dad was a joiner at Bates before he did shaft work. Ron Dobson :- Nice to see Russell He was just an apprentice the last time i saw him I worked at Bates 66-87 and was at Isabella pit in 1960-66 Good times high pit wilma :- Heh heh! Hoggy, just checking,no disrespect, i knew Russell long before he went onto shaftwork,he used to come into my districts when i was a Deputy,1971-1978,and after that,i chucked Deputy-work in,and went back onto composite work,till the pit closed in 1986,well i went ti Ashington pit,just before Bates actually had the ropes cut. Always was a nice lad,Russell,well-liked by everybody,bar none. high pit wilma :- Blyth foto,i can't place you,were you in the 3/4 or the Plessey? Ron Dobson ;- Hiya Bill - Worked aall ower at Bate,sOn transport/Manrider in 3/4 for a while 4north and Plessey as a datal on loader,s on 73s on pony. Tommy Blair/Stan Brooke,s/Jimmy Kenny aall gaffer,s Aaaaalll fur noo Tek care high pit wilma :- Ron,wish a cud bump inti yi in Blyth market,wat a pair o' aad natterbags wi'd be....!! Wor lass syez wa warse thin aad pit wives nattering on when wi get tigitha.....[pitmen...i.e.]!! Dr. Drewboy :- ah, this is the picture. really nice! high pit wilma :- Hi Dr Drewboy! Just catching up,been off for a while,thanks for your kind comments! Pleased i got these shots,cos the opportunity to get aerial pics from this unique spot,will never arise again....i don't think!! -
FROM THE PIT HEADGEAR LOOKING ACROSS TO THE POWER STATION
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sparty lea :- Canny view from up there. high pit wilma :- CHEERS SPARTY! IT WAS A CANNY NEET, CALM,COULDN'T HAVE PICKED A BETTER TIME TO GO UP THERE. THIS SET WAS TAKEN ON 35MM FILM,USING A VINTAGE[ 1963/4-ish] HALINA 35x CAMERA,WITH PARALLAX ERROR CORRECTION GUIDE IN THE VEIWFINDER. [NOT AN SLR!] EVERYTHING MANUALLY ADJUSTED..SHUTTER,APERTURE,FOCUS.....STEAM-DRIVEN..WITH GEARLEVERS...!!!! DIGITAL,EVEN IF THEY HAD BEEN AVAILABLE IN THE 1980'S, WOULDNT HAVE TAKEN PICS LIKE THE UNDERGROUND ONES,IN THE AVAILABLE LIGHT I HAD[CAP-LAMPS]...WELL... I DON'T THINK SO ANYWAY..! high pit wilma :- Once again,Sparty, apologies for 'shouting'...purely ignorant of the fact that capitals had this connotation!! -
10s TAILGATE, 26-2-86, ABANDONED FOREVER AFTER THATCHER STARTED PIT CLOSURES
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From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- The AFC is on the left,note the only colour we had underground,was our oilskins...oh!... and the plastic sheeting put over the girders,only to keep the hydraulic pump dry..not for us..!...the silvery streaks left of centre,are droppers of water,the shutter was too slow to freeze the action. high pit wilma :- What a really,really depressing hole that i worked in! Didn't realise how depressing it really was,[because of complacency...],until the pits all shut down,and i worked in factories etc,with bright lighting,toilets and wash basins,and canteens....and the young kids i worked with,used to say the factory's were ..."DUMPS"....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -
From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- The AFC is on the left. ..it was normal to be working in this level of water.The flyght pump clogged up with silt continuously..NOTE the white plastic tubing on the left..OUR AIR SUPPLY CAME THROUGH THIS! THAT'S WHY MINERS SUFFERED WITH LUNG DISEASES..they used to lie in heaps on the pit surface,until needed ,then they came down the pit in filthy mine cars which carried coal and other materials,then when they were connected to the auxiliary fan,all the mouldy filth and odours were pumped into the workings,for us to breathe...but it was better than the reek from the shots when they were fired...! BigLoada :- Is this the dyke you were driving through before you would have hit serious coal measures? high pit wilma :- Yes,this Whinstone dyke was 36 feet thick,the thickest we'd ever encountered,in all our combined experience at different pits. Beyond the dyke lies 60 million tons of virgin,[completely untouched,unworked,] 5 feet high clean coal.No other pits had even been near it,so this would have kept bates pit going for a hundred years,given the improvement in technology,to develop higher speed loco's underground,to take the men in and out quicker. BUT MAGGIE THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY.....!! high pit wilma :- Never mind,when the people who we depend upon for our oil,decide to hold us to ransom,or when their oil wells dry up,we will ,at least,be still sitting on our own goldmine...!! [ maybe wor Maggie had that intention in mind,when she shut all the pits...drain THEIR resources.... ...then WE will have the monopoly...!!] ...Naa....she couldn't think that clivvor, could she....? hoggy03 :- Hi Bill, what is the thing on the bottom of the pic, the thing with a little red hose on it, is it a pump? high pit wilma :-THAT,....Hoggy,is what we called a "Dalek" pump,....for obvious reasons..! We had them at the High pit,at Choppington,as far back as the mid- 1960's,never changed, best emergency pump oot! Submersible,high output,built like a tank.....if a roadway was flooded for some reason or other,maybe a sudden inrush of water,you'd throw one these into the deepest part you could reach,set her away,and you could see the level dropping by the minute. Was also used where "nuisance water" used to make, in swalleys,fed by small runners,cos the Dalek would just "snore" away ,with very little water to keep it from burning out. These two roads,10's Maingate,[above],and the Tailgate,[where i am seen in the Eimco], were always full of water,on a 12-0midnight shift,on Sunday night[Monday shift]. We'd set the Daleks away,and the Crawley stageloaders,[armoured conveyor belts],and within half an hour,the level would come down to the point of equilibrium,i.e.,where the amount of water pumped out was about equal to that which was coming into the workings through the roof and floor breaks,plus what came off the windy driller...[and THAT was quite a lot..! That's the red hose,[output]that you can see,it's ordinary canvas-lined with p.v.c. fire-hose. oildrum1 :- Fantastic set of pics. Certainly bring back memories of my time underground, all those 'wonderful' conditions to endure. Oh what fun, but would you do it again given the chance! high pit wilma :- On your own mate, I discovered green pastures with birds singing in the spring sunshine.........!! Thanks for your kind comments Roy! -
WATER OVER A FOOT DEEP. THREE-QUARTER DRIFT - 10s M.GATE 26-2-86
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From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- Windy-driller,still stuck in a drill hole,after word came in to abandon the job,the pit had received notice to close.[Thatcher got her way at last...]TO HELL WITH THE SCUM MINERS......] mjtmail (tiggy) :- we'll be back down underground before you know it. £800 a ton, its bound to happen high pit wilma :- Hi tiggy! Yeah,your right,and i bet it will happen within the next five years. This country is still sitting on hundreds of millions of tons,but don't be surprised if those lot in brussels,dictate that it has to be shared with the EU countries...like we don't own a thing now. Dr. Drewboy :- what a working place... yes and in germany we also have a lot of coal. for an example "Bergwerk Lohberg/Osterfeld" which was shut down in 2005 has still 270mio. t of bituminous coal! high pit wilma :- Yes,Dr Drewboy,it was really bad conditions we had to work in,down the 3/4 seam,at Bates Pit. So your government is just like ours,placing all faith in oil,and gas. One day it is going to end............ Erik Novoa :- Now that's mining. If it ain't wet, it ain't fun! It was like this alot when I was mining in Nevada. high pit wilma - Hiya, batterymule!! Good to hear from you,and thanks for your comments! 50 years ago,it wasn't much fun working in 18" high coal seams,handfilling with a big "George Rock" [brand name] pan shovel,...so called because it was shaped like a huge pan,with a pointed edge to dig into the coal with,and a ton weight when it was empty!![as opposed to the normal "square-mouthed" shovel iv'e seen miners using in other pits.] We used to have 13 yards of coal in a "stretch",[or "stint" as they say in other parts of my country,like Yorkshire,and Lancashire].,to fill off in a shift,and this was with a 6 foot jib on the AB15 coalcutter,so lying on your side, in rivers of water running down the face,and roofwater dropping into your eyes and ears and running down all over you........naa,i didn't think THAT was fun,especially when my mates were asleep,at 12-0 midnight,and i was riding a cage down a black,deep,hole,to start my shift!!!! But i think i DO get your gist!!....we can laugh now,well... i can,cos i'm a retired gentleman of leisure.......leisure?....i'm working harder now than i did when i was working!!!! By the way,an AB15,denotes a coalcutter called Anderson-Boyes,and the 15 denotes the height of the machine...which was 15 inches high.[ we put 3 inch thick wood planks in to support the roof,and the cuttermen had to cut about 2" of floor stone,to make height for the cutter to pass through the face. There was so much roof pressure,and crush,that this extra height was lost as soon as the face was filled off,due to a "face-break" forming,as you were actually filling coal off.....in front of your eyes.....very scary!! Erik Novoa :- I completely understand, working in low coal, when it is wet as hell, must suck. The last mining job I worked was a hard rock molybdenum mine in Nevada, USA and it was always very wet underground. If the pumps shut off for any period of time the hole flooded. We were rehabbing an old mine and then doing some stope development once the old decline was basically finished. Lots of water coming through the broken mountain above us. My pard and I were drilling our round on day in a scene not unlike your image above, except we were running an incline to intersect the ore vein. And I'll be damned if we weren't drilling through some of the most solid rock I had seen yet in that mine when the hole I am drilling starts shooting water at me. I thought for a moment my hand had slipped and the drill was blowing the hole but it hadn't. The drill was still steadily advancing and water was pouring out of the hole. I drilled three more holes in that rib and all 4 holes I had drilled were blowing a solid stream of water the rest of the shift. The next shift had to load our round because there was too much water pressure to load half the face. A few of my friends and I are kind of nuts when it comes to mining, and we love working underground and being underground. Even though I don't do it professionally any more, I would if I had to in a heart beat. high pit wilma :- Heh heh!....like you said,pard,it's fun,ain't it!!! Cheers,and thanks for your interesting comment,i think if you and me got together,and my son,who is a mine explorer,we'd talk through the night! -
10s M.GATE SHOWING WINDY DRILLER AND PLENTY WATER! 26-2-86
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From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- THIS is a HOLMAN compressed-air driller[ a windy-driller..] The drill was 9feet long,straight,with no spiral,hexagonal steel section,with a cross-shaped star-bit on the end.Because the drill was straight,without a spiral,water was pumped through the hollow interior,to flush out the curvings,to prevent the drill from becoming fast in the hole [which often happened.]The water had to go somewhere , didn't it?.......... high pit wilma :- What a lovely place to spend an evening.........! -
From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- I even jacked the bucket up,to give the fitters better access to the hydraulics,with regard to strip-down...it never happened! She is still sitting there under the north sea,happily rusting away...may'be home to some big congers now...! high pit wilma :- The pit wasn't lit up like this all over,you know!! It was only because the huge 6,600volt transformers,and associated switchgear,were located here,cos it was a rare dry place,down the 3/4 drift!!! You can see the authorisation notice on the left,and more lighting in the recess behind the security chains slung along the girders. jojojood :- Had a few "rests" on top of those same type transformers,except being beside the machine,only source of heat we had lol. Our pit was wet also and with the air flow quite cool when you weren't busy .For sure no one was allowed on top of them,but when the cats away........ high pit wilma :- Heh! heh! Boiler burns...!....mostly sparky's who went into the pit baths looking like a zebra,from the back...!! Where did you work Jo Jo?,it's nice to hear from somebody who knows the score about pitwork,not just what they've read! At bait-time,down the 3/4 drift, where it was running in from the seabed,you couldn't get moved,on or beside the "boiler",for bodies...!! Happy days eh?!! jojojood :- Worked 20 yrs. underground in Cape Breton Canada. Like you guys,the government shut down the pits here,now they import coal here from the USA. My old grandad is rolling over in his grave i'm sure ( coal to Newcastle ). By the way most of our gear was from the UK,dowty, dosco, pikrose, oldham, huwood etc. high pit wilma :- Hi,jo-jo, ironically, it was one of your guys,called Ian Mcgregor,who was appointed chairman of British Coal,in the 1980's,by Maggie Thatcher, the most hated woman in Britain,our PRIME MINISTER. His job was to "Have a confrontation with the miners" -
Posted Event Westridge School Reunion 1967/68
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Malcolm - John - Symptoms. I posted the link to Symptoms website on the facebook Bedlington groups and one response was :- Jan Murther :- 'we ve got a westridge school reunion on march 4th at. bedlington terriers football club all welcome'. I have no idea if this is a reunion for everyone that went to Westridge throughout it's history or just for specific years. I don't have any details, numbers, facilities etc. etc. but I have asked asked Jan, through the facebook system, and I will pass on any info if she replies. -
2s MAIN ROAD HAULAGE WAY - THE ROPE HAULED SET HAS JUST GONE IN BYE
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high pit wilma :- Now that it's 30 years since the strike,in 1984,official secret documents are being released,under the 30 - year rule,which are revealing the true facts about thatcher-thi -hatcheter's plan to destroy the NUM,and any other union who dare to suggest militant action against her....and in doing so,she destroyed the whole of the coal industry. There's gonna be some interesting facts released in due course... it's now 20-9-14,Saturday,1.07 am. -
2s MAIN ROAD HAULAGE WAY - THE ROPE HAULED SET HAS JUST GONE IN BYE
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bewildebeeste :- In reference to your original comment under the photo - if this wasn't long before closure, then was the roadway improvement just another way to add costs onto the mine balance sheet? And why did this Archibold have it in for Bates in particular? high pit wilma :- Spot-on! Mind,this tactic was employed as far back as 1964/5,by the Labour Government who were in power at the time. Dr Beeching closed all the scenic and small railway branch lines,and the Minister of Fuel and Power started closing all the "Uneconomic" pits. They transferred men from all the pits around ,in batches of a dozen here and a dozen there,like from Newbiggin ,Hartford,Hartley,North Seaton,Seghill,etc,TO Choppington High Pit,doubling the workforce from 300-odd,to 600-odd,virtually halving the output-per-manshift,while,at the same time ,demolishing the perfectly working steam winder/house, and building a brand new electric winder/house...which was more trouble than enough. It tripped out every two minutes,and lost a lot of coalwork time. Also,they decided to "modernise" the shaft top and bottom areas,installing rams to push tubs into the cages,and doing away with the flat sheets. All this investment and no increase in coal production[which was impossible,cos they hadn't organised winning out more faces,to take the extra men],deemed the pit to be "Uneconomical" Mind,a was pleased at the time,cos a went ti Bedlington A pit...a much better pit for conditions. They put £30million Dosco Roadheaders,in stripped down sections,on trams,into a disused seam "inset" halfway down the shaft, at Bates Pit,just to exaggerate operating costs artificially,as well as other costly measures,to justify the plan to close the Pit... then when closure was officially announced,they quietly shifted the Machines from their hidey-hole in the shaft,and moved them to Ashington Colliery,and did the same thing there with them,deeming Ashington Pit for closure like the rest of the pits in the coalfield,under thatcher's pre-conceived plan. Noo,that's not hearsay,i actually saw the same machine sections at Ashington,when i was transferred there![STILL WITH BATES 3/4 SEAM SCRAWLED ALL OVER THEM!] Archbold,for a few years,kept sending grossly under-powered face supports,down the Three-Quarter Seam,hence the depressing photo's of R20's on this set. Lots of times men were injured,and nearly killed,by the legs on the face chocks bursting,under severe roof pressure,and a lot of pressure from goaf-breaks,pushing the whole line of chocks,[70 at a time] forward towards the coal,and flattening the whole chock-line like a box!! I think [only my suspicion],that if Budge hadn't destroyed most of the records at Team Valley head offices,when his staff took over,a lot of skeletons might have been found in Archbold's cupboards.... It had already happened in the past,where officials had accepted holidays abroad,gifts,etc,for presenting contracts to these mining companies...... Why was he risking LOTS of men's lives by refusing our Manager's request for more costly,but more efficient sets of face supports...[it would have been for 200 per coal face] ...a lot of money to wangle contracts with eh? DO YOU SAVVY,BEESTE? -
2s MAIN ROAD HAULAGE WAY - THE ROPE HAULED SET HAS JUST GONE IN BYE
Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) posted a gallery image in Places Gallery
From the album: Bates Pit by High Pit Wilma
high pit wilma :- This is looking down 2's backroad,AFTER the 6 month long,million pound farce to take out all the swallies[dips] ..and to shoot down all the hilltops in the roadway,to make it look like this...because management didn't want the chairman of british coal ,plodging through 100 yard long swallies of black freezing cold water,coming up to the knees,sometimes higher, like the men had to,every day-several times a day,for nearly a mile each way....BUT NOW... it was pretty.... AND HE THOUGHT SO AS WELL.....AND HE SAID SO...IN THE PRESS NEXT DAY.. HE SAID ...COAL..OR BUST...![AND WE WENT BUST.....AS WELL...!!] jojojood :- canister hanging from the rib on the left,stretcher and blanket inside that? high pit wilma :- Spot-on ! It is a first-aid canister,got to have one in every district,by law. Thanks for your query!Cheers! hoggy03 :- Wilma did bates ever see many VIP's while you worked there or just the chairman of british coal? high pit wilma :- Hi Hoggy! Mostly area directors,like Archibold,the swine who had a personal vendetta against Bates pit,[it was well known that HE wanted it closed apart from thatcher the hatatcheter..]. Before i started there in 1971,[when Bedlington A pit closed],there was a district called "82's",in the Beaumont seam,and the Duke of Edinburgh and a big entourage of v.i.p.'s tagged alang wi him. The deputy of that face told me in detail.the lengths they went to for him coming.The evidence was still there long after he went....!! Like laying a mile [well,it seemed like a mile...!!],of duckboards,all the way inbye,so they wouldn't have to get there booties wet,whitewashed different places along the way,like transfer points,etc,had everyone on the face ready and waiting for a signal,shearer man with his hand on the switch handle,button men with fingers on the conveyor belt start buttons,........[the proverbial "press-button start"..] As soon as the Duke showed his head "under the low"[starting his crawl onto the coalface which was 36 inches high...],the manager gave the pre-arranged signal to "GO",[start coalwork-in other words....!] Every man at his station,started up the conveyor belts,simultaneously,then the shearer man switched the shearer on and started shearing away full speed up the coalface. NOO THAT'S THE WAY TI TELL THE WORLD HOO BAD AND DIFFICULT AND DANGEROUS A MINER;S JOB IS,ISN'T IT......WITH ALL SAFETY ASPECTS COVERED,LIKE THEY WOULDN'T NORMALLY BE,COS THEY WOULDN'T SPEND THE MONEY...NORMALLY.......[ask if your dad was in that district at the time,he might have been a bit young,not being disrespectful ti wor Russ,like,cos a divven't knaa hoo aad he is.....] If yi check oot me pic of 20's t/gate,in the 3/4 seam,where it was a hell-hole,noo THAT'S the place his Highness should have been taken,AND the chairman of the N.C.B.! It was gud enough ti tek a Sqadron of R.A.F. fighter pilots doon thon stinking dangerous wet hole,and a think it was honest enough ti say that thon face,and 21's,23's,50's,and most of the other faces,at some point,were actually life-threatening places to work in...[DOON THE 3/4 DRIFT...I.E.] ...AND I'LL WAIT TI SEE IF ANY BODY WHO WORKED ON THEM,DISAGREES AND THINKS I'M EXAGGERATING.......[WI AAD AGE....!!!!!!!]