Understanding What Has Gone Wrong With Government

[threegee]

If you really want to understand why things are going so badly wrong, and why things will only get worse, then read this short article by the brilliantly analytical Janet Daley:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11092499/This-isnt-what-democracy-is-supposed-to-be.html

 

It sums up what I've being trying to communicate for a long time.  In fact if there is only one political article you can be arsed to read this year then read that article!

 

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The business of government is seen as having become the property of a club whose attitudes and priorities are self-consciously fashionable, urban and "liberal” (in the specialised self-appointed sense of that word), and who openly despise all those parts of the electorate who do not conform to their ideal picture of what a modern society should be. What the various anti-politics protest movements have gathered is that this Westminster-Washington-Brussels consensus is remarkably illiberal (in the true sense of the word).

 

There is to be no arguing or debating with its assumptions because those who oppose it are simply beneath contempt: fascists, reactionaries, bigots, provincial know-nothings. And this derisive dismissal cuts right across party lines. Compare Gordon Brown's description of the Labour-voter who dared to express her anxiety about immigration as just a "bigoted woman”, with the sentiment expressed recently by a Tory commentator that the Clacton voters who could not accept the party's modernising agenda should be ignored until they die off. This is a degree of open, undisguised contempt for the electorate that is unlike anything I have seen in my lifetime.

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Thus do we find ourselves with two major parties that are both driven by public opinion but adamant that they will disregard any opinions they don't like. Is this hell? It certainly doesn't look like democracy as I was taught to understand it: government of the people, by the people and for the people.

 

To talk of a "Westminster elite” is precisely accurate. But this is an elitism that has almost nothing to do with the traditional snobberies of class, wealth or education. It is a conceit imbued with an unquestioned sense of superiority and a moral certainty which makes any criticism of its views not just irrelevant and foolish but wicked. It has the relentless, brutal intolerance of the futurist movements of the past century. It says to those who will not fall into line what a Soviet leader once said to the West: we will bury you (meaning "we will outlive you”).

 

What she doesn't add is that there's nowhere that this elitism is more prevalent than in "post-democratic" Brussels.  No solutions are offered to this thorny problem. But - at least as far as the EU is concerned - there's a very simple one, already arrived at by a majority of our electorate.  How long can those elitists duck and dodge the democratic will?  They are betting on indefinitely, and have been remarkably successful so far.  My money is still on the old adage that you can't fool all of the people all of the time!

[Vic Patterson]

And the solution is?

[threegee]

And the solution is?

 

You'll get the answer to that from the good citizens of Clacton on the 9th October Vic!  And, not all of them will be old Tory buffers mourning the fact that their world is long gone, desperately hoping to wind the clock back.  I think perhaps a majority will be ex-Labour voters who realise that things only got "better" for the political elites; that they were thoroughly conned by Teflon Tony and his spin doctors, and that Miliband is just another new Labour con artist.

 

That Labour hasn't even bothered to sideline Ed Balls - the guy who as chancellor broke our economy - shows how much contempt they have for voters. Now Clegg is trying to buy votes from youngsters by promising to rob pensioners of their rights in order to fund third-price bus passes for them.  He's betting on them having shorter memories (remember his tuition fees promises?) than most, and that there's a new crop of of wet behind the ears voters there.  And Duplicitous Dave?  Well, it all depends on what his focus groups tell him he has to say this week.  But, what he actually does will be to pursue his own agenda regardless.  All "in the public interest", of course!

[Symptoms]

Good old Janet ... always available for a few column inches on just about any subject    including the positive aspects of Zionism.  That aside, what she says in that particular article aligns broadly with my view that ALL politicians* are self-serving shysters.

 

*code for all members of the Establishment ... corrupt bastards the lot of them!

 

 

Vic - perhaps one solution might be to do away with the ruling elites and replace with someone like this:

 

 

Note to listening GCHQ & NSA:  the above is meant as a joke and should be seen in the context of humourous comment.

[Vic Patterson]

I'm not trying to be smart GGG but what is going on in Clacton October 9th? local election? party elections? (too early for Guy Fawkes day!)

[Vic Patterson]

Found it, by-election, yes it should tell a tale alright!

[threegee]

Note to listening GCHQ & NSA:  the above is meant as a joke and should be seen in the context of humourous comment.

 

I don't think you need to worry too much about that Sym. There are enough (ex-?)Nazis in Brussels to keep them occupied for a good while, and fascism is low on their priorities list these days.  Our ruling elites have thoughtfully provided them with loads of work by allowing unlimited immigration (caution against it and you are a "racist"), and their further romps into other people's countries (a.k.a. new-age imperialism).  All "in the public interest", of course!

 

[threegee]

And here come the election bribes - buying our votes with our own money!  If you are stuggling to pay utility bills Miliband's bribes sound good, if you are desperate to get on the housing ladder then you simply have to go with Dave.  Either way you'll be feeding the system which keeps them all in clover.

Where did they learn their manipulative skills, and how to bullshit the public so effectively?  Well, The Spectator elucidates:
 

I don't dispute that Oxford produces world-class thinkers, but it also churns out world-class bullshitters. Career politicians with no interests outside politics.

 

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322492/the-politics-of-ppe/

 

Let me check out that list again. David Cameron, William Hague, Theresa May, Jeremy Hunt, Ed Davey, Danny Alexander. Matthew Hancock, Ed Miliband, David Miliband, Ed Balls, Yvette Cooper, Angela Eagle, Maria Eagle, Rachel Reeves and Stuart Wood.  Ah yes, Mrs Balls too - the mouth without a connected brain - that explains a lot.  Shouldn't Mandelson be in there too?

 

There you are youngsters, there's how to really get on in life: aspire to an Oxford PPE, move to London, and you are guaranteed a ticket on the lefty-liberal-elitist gravy train that will ultimately take you to Brussels. Just leave any principals you might have at home, you won't be needing them on the journey.

[Malcolm Robinson]

 

 

Might be a round robin but there is somethign in it with regard to the thread title!  We have allowed smoke and mirrors to take our eye off the ball!   

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someone please tell me what the Hell is wrong with

all the people that run this country!!!

LABOUR, CONSERVATIVES

&

LIBERALS, 

?? say ??

 

We're "broke"

and can't help

our own

Seniors,

Veterans,

Orphans,

Homeless,

etc.,???

"BUT"

In the last years we have provided direct cash aid to

Haiti- 1.4 B,

Hamas - 351 M,

Pakistan- 2 B,

Libya1.45 B,

Egypt- 397 M,

Mexico- 622 M,

Russia- 380 M,

Jordan- 463 M,

Kenya- 816 M,

Sudan- 870 M,

Nigeria- 456 M,

Uganda- 451 M,

Congo- 359 M,

Ethiopia- 981 M,

South Africa- 566 M,

Senegal- 698 M,

Mozambique- 404 M,

Zambia- 331 M,

Kazakhstan- 304 M,

Iraq- 1.08 B,

Tanzania- 554 M,

  with literally Billions

and they still

hate us!!! 
  
Our retired seniors

living on a 'fixed income'
do they get any breaks while our government 
and religious organisations pour Hundreds of Billions 
and Tons of Food
to Foreign Countries!

We have hundreds of adoptable children who

are shoved aside

to make room for

the adoption of

foreign orphans.

 

AUSTRALIA, UK

& US

countries where we have

homeless without shelter, children going to bed hungry, elderly going without needed medication and mentally ill without treatment... etc.

 

YET. . .

We still allow illegal "Deprived People"

& other free loaders on our shores.

 

While we are lining up with food,  clothes, bedding, doctors and medical supplies. 

Imagine if 
the "GOVERNMENT"

gave 'US' the same support they give to other countries. 

with OUR collected Tax-moneys.

Sad isn't it?

[threegee]

Sounds like you've just come back from Doncaster Malc!
 
I don't see India on your list, the nation that is currently celebrating a successful Mars mission.  You know, the one WE recently paid for (and about five others!).

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/441263/India-sends-a-spaceship-to-Mars-after-UK-gives-280million-in-aid

And if you think that's a scandal then it is dwarfed by what we throw at the EU so's they can waste it to buy votes in other countries and ensure the grand European junket goes on regardless of and austerity measures.


What yesterday's Tory MP defecting to UKIP says:
 

And after the session ended, I was coincidentally sitting next to Sarah and the Prime Minister sort of came over to her and said well Sarah the thing you have to understand is when you rebel when you vote against me, you never change anything, you just make us look divided, you never change anything and I sort of interrupted at this point and said what about the size of the EU budget? And the Prime Minister sort of snapped at me and said, I'd have cut that anyhow, at which point Sarah said with dripping sarcasm, really, Prime Minister?
 
'And then there was a bit of a scene and Lynton Crosby came over to break things up. And that was meant to be the Prime Minister's charm offensive, but I thought it was a conceit that he was just going to cut the EU budget, they'd set up a whole thing that their objective was to freeze it so it didn't go up.

 

'And the only reason that was cut was because of what we did in Parliament because I won that vote and a majority in parliament voted for a cut and when Germany and Merkel looked at that they said actually we'd prefer to keep these people in the EU paying something than risk them leaving and it was because of that we got the cut and the fact the Prime Minister told me actually he'd have done it anyhow I just thought that was a conceit.'

 

[He also said the party was failing to 'fess up' to voters when it had broken promises, claiming that 'rather than admit.. and apologise' that net migration was not falling to the tens of thousands but instead going up, 'it's just pushed under the carpet'.
 
He then explained in further detail the 1922 Committee meeting where he and Carswell started to contemplate leaving.
Reckless, who was sitting next to Carswell, had asked the first question of the meeting, on why the party was telling voters it was regaining control of justice and home affairs in the EU while opting back in to so many of the major measures. The Prime Minister's response astonished the two MPs:]
 
'And rather than just saying it was part of the deal with the Lib Dems, the Prime Minister came out and actually passionately argued for the European arrest warrant, despite the fact that, and you may also be aware that he and Chris Grayling had been arguing against Theresa May and Nick Clegg on this subject only weeks beforehand and as a backbencher he passionately argued against the European arrest warrant, yet now he just turned to him and sort of, you know, had a sort of look of great sincerity and put this sort of you know huge passionate argument in favour of the arrest warrant as the only way to catch terrorists.
 
'It I think undermined our sort of belief and trust in the Prime Minister because I didn't think he believed that or at least he hadn't, or wasn't saying anything and then John Baron asked a question about what we were going to renegotiate and he said that if I was to get back some of the powers that some people wanted, it would be almost like associate membership, as if that was self-evidently a bad thing rather than what most MPs in that room and most in the country wanted and I think that was the moment that Douglas and I decided actually that he wasn't serious about it.'

 
So now we know that together both Cameron & Miliband have an Oxford degree in "sincerity", or what passes for sincerity in current Westminster circles.

 

http://bedlington.co.uk/community/uploads/David%20Cameron%20-Together.mp4

[Malcolm Robinson]

No just back to planet Bedlington GGG!  

[Symptoms]

I could be argued that 'our Nigel' is part of the ruling elite.  He did attend Dulwich College, that rather fine public school in South London and then into the City as a commodities trader.  I wonder how he got that gig?  Oh, wasn't his dad a City stockbroker called Guy Oscar Justus Farage?

 

Yep, Nigel's definitely a man of the people unlike all those listed above.