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Tory and Labour unite to deny voters real choice!
threegee replied to threegee's topic in Chat Central
Care to comment on your "propaganda & you know that" remark now Tony? You party's message: Dear Labour voter make sure you vote Tory to block that popular democracy upstart. We might be on the losing side this time, but you owe us one for the next round of Westminster musical chairs. Fair do's all around - except, of course, for the idiots who tribally vote for our establishment parties. -
I don't know how to break this, but.... if you think the next GE in going to be as far away as 2020... you are going to be rather upset! Evens on another before a year is out would seem a good bet. A five year parliament is maybe a 10% chance, and for that to happen some politico or other would already need to have been lying in their teeth. Near impossible, you say?
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It won't work with MS Internet Explorer because it doesn't support MJPEG. It did work fine with Firefox up until a recent update, but they seen to have introduced a bug in the MJPEG support. That's beyond our control but hopefully it will be fixed before too long. Chrome and the stock Android browser both seem to work fine at the moment.
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Tory and Labour unite to deny voters real choice!
threegee replied to threegee's topic in Chat Central
The fact that you falsely keep claiming he's a banker is right on the Labour propaganda sheet. Bankers are the new scapegoats (somehow not the Labour government who oversaw the banks and made all the rules under which they operated) so, if only it were true, and if only the audience were simpletons you hope they are... Keep on repeating the lie, keep on talking down to the electorate, that's the way Labour has always worked. Only in your distorted view of the world could Ukip be far right. At present it's the only true voice of the people. The extremists are the crony capitalists your Westminster elitists are in league with. Those friends of Mandleson and Blair who want to replace our democracy with their post-democratic society, where ordinary people are totally subservient to a European superstate, and all traces of British identity are erased. International crony capitalism and your Westminster elites are hand in glove! There's no need to feel sad for the working man Tony, he's learned a lot since 1997. Reserve your sad for the people that LibLabCon are about to dupe - all over again! -
Tory and Labour unite to deny voters real choice!
threegee replied to threegee's topic in Chat Central
But... you tell me you don't like links Tony! It's worth reading that Spectator article though. No propaganda there - just the truth about how the ruling elites operate. How long before even you realise that Miliband is almost interchangeable with Cameron and Clegg? Sure, he'll do a few token daft things like tinker with (but not actually end) non-dom status. Thus proving his credentials to his paymasters, and so go on to damage our economy a bit more in the process. But, he's a career politico simply out for number one, exactly like like "things can only get better" Blair. The ruling elites can do their thing because deluded people like you let them. They pull your strings, and you oblige by giving them your vote for the dumbest of reasons! Nothing really changes, because at core you are comfortable with your delusions. You are provided with a scapegoats by someone else - someone who happily does your thinking for you, and that's all you need. This is equally true if you are a tribal Tory, or (that dying breed) a tribal Liberal "Democrat"! -
Nope, but if anyone can provide another first class, main road, location we can fund and install the gear, and maybe even a connection. A Front Street West, "Top of the Town", Bedlington Station, Glebe Road, North Ridge, or Hartford Road location would be favoured for the action.
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Though I'd get that one in before Miliband makes it a criminal offence to criticise "the only true religion". http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/04/if-ed-miliband-makes-islamophobia-illegal-i-volunteer-to-test-the-new-law-immediately/ Meanwhile: while Milband and Cameron are desperately running around chasing a few votes, whilst avoiding any discussion of what will certainly turn out to be one of the biggest problems we will face - well apart from global financial meltdown (the real Global problem Gordon!) - at least someone is trying to knock some basic common sense into the heads of the EU elites. Remember this when the first direct Islamic offensive hits European shores. Then, it will be used as an excuse to bolster the EU Army. This will go on to intervene in places like Ukraine in order to expand the Reich. It's all fairly inevitable - except to those currently in total denial, like the Belgian Green guy.
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I think you might find that if Nigel doesn't win Thanet but the party gets its first decent foothold in parliament - as is fairly inevitable - then Douglas Carswell will step forward as leader. It's simply not the one man show as the media makes out. Douglas will appeal to a lot more tribal Tory voters as he's much less in-your-face than Nigel. It's actually a great pity that you didn't meet Paul Nutall in Bedlington the other night, as I think he's very much the sort of politician you mention. He's actually a very intelligent guy, but with his feet firmly on the ground. Paul has been in the area a few times, and it's not just raw be seen and be gone electioneering. He'll be back after the election, of that I'm sure. Finally, I take issue with you that my nationalism is any different from Smudge's. That's a bit presumptive of you, and I'd like to hear your rationalisation for this. In the last few days I've been visited by Bepe Grillo's Five Star Movement, and, though I agree with much of what they say about the EU, it's obvious to me that there are significant differences between their narrower nationalistic outlook and the much broader one of Ukip. So please no "Little Englander" labels - leave that one to the fools who want to give away the rest of our sovereignty.
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If I were able to I certainly would. They've been invited here to state their views in detail, I do hope they will. I fear that they are the views of their left wing teachers though, and that they have been fed a continual diet of lies and media distortion. Update: Whoops I missed the obvious in the earlier post. direct download link here.
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I know you're not! http://www.ukip.org/manifesto2015 Scroll down and hit the button. If 76 pages is too much, and you want a printed "short form" one, I understand that they are handing them out at Front Street East. This is the only party manifesto at this election that has been fully costed by professional bodies, so the figures all add up. They had to, else they would have been torn to shreds by establishment politicos. These policies were decided on by ordinary members and aren't the result of spin doctors, focus groups, or political tit for tat trading. I honestly tried reading the Labour one myself, but it was all hyperbole, and by page 28 I'd seen no hard information, so gave up at that point. IMHO the Tory one isn't even worth starting as Cast-iron-promise Dave has always done exactly what he likes; manifesto promises are ignored, and stuff not in the manifesto is rushed through parliament to suit his whim. BTW If you do nothing else then skip forward to page 66. I've never served in the forces myself but I think the way we treat the people who have is shameful. I'm told by a military guy that the present force's vote is solidly Ukip.
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That's really interesting, because it sounds like much of what you say is self-contradictory. Notice I said "sounds like" because I'm sure you are very clear in what you believe. You say you don't like Ukip because "it is based on nationalism", but go on to put forward a very nationalistic view. Simple question: do you personally know many of these "racist bigots" or is this simply what you've been led to believe by the media? I know lots on actual Ukip members but there's not a single one any reasonable person could call either "racist" or bigoted. They are all concerned where our country is headed, yes - but, none of them is any more "jingoistic" or more nationalistic than an average Brit. In fact I'd say that they are universally not very far from the average Brit in their views, simply a bit ahead of the curve in their assessment of our situation. You sound like you don't think the EU is a terribly good idea for us, but seem to prefer EU Party #1, EU Party #2, and EU Party #3 to the only party that believes that our nation should retain its links with Europe, but not be ruled by Europe. The only rampantly nationalistic party we have is EU Party #4 (the SNP) Unusually, for a political party, I think the clue is in the name . Like all forms of extreme nationalism I think we can all predict that that one will end in tears. Finally, you say you "tend to be anti-establishment", yet here again you turn your back on the only anti-establishment party that has any chance of pricking the establishment bubble. It seems to me that while professing to be anti-establishment you are in fact buying 100% into the establishment's myth of their eternal right to rule.
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I'd love to hear from the Ukip haters here exactly what they hate? It seems to Kippers that what they actually hate is their own country. My take on this is that the haters have swallowed establishment propaganda hook line and sinker. That's a huge victory for the establishment, and for the very status quo that those people rail against. Setting individual against individual and thoroughly controlling the discourse guarantees the continuance of the Westminster political elites. You can excuse those young kids for still carrying the second-hand views of their last teacher, but adults really should do their own investigation.
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Tory and Labour unite to deny voters real choice!
threegee replied to threegee's topic in Chat Central
So... when Miliband and Cameron form "an understanding" (read coalition by another name) "in the interests of national stability" (read to preserve their elitist monopoly), are you going to apologise to everyone for your total naivety? I can remember someone in 2010 posting here that a LibCon coalition was an absurdity and wouldn't last. Like you they simply didn't comprehend how the establishment looks after its own. But, I'm sure they understand now! Do you know what the joke is Tony? (Clue: It's one you learn on their Oxford PPE course.) http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9322492/the-politics-of-ppe/ -
Yes, you read that correctly! From Labour: "DON'T LET UKIP BREAK OUR GREAT LOVE". And.. they say politicos can't ever tell the truth! http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/27/thanet-south-labour-and-tories-plead-dont-let-ukip-break-our-great-love/
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Well, urging people to turn on their brains is a lot better than those on the left who work on the premise that people don't have one! At least I'm not telling people what they must think, and how they should think, or shouting them down! You'll note that the left is particularly prone to attacks on the messenger when they find the message unpalatable - those 'ist accusations are rather one-sided. There's a lot of indoctrination going on in the UK at present. More than I've ever seen in my lifetime, and it's particularly targeted at the young. I for one am no longer prepared to sit there and take it. I'm no conspiracy theorist, nor alone in this belief. If I'm too "smug", then you are appointed my moral guardian in this respect; please feel free to de-smugify all further postings and/or provide background "health warnings". Hopefully though this won't dominate the discussion, and we can stay on topic, most of the time.
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Confounding the pollsters - who placed them a lowly fourth in the election running - the Finnish equivalent of Ukip has come in in second place. It is now directly challenging the ruling centrist coalition party, and has pushed the pro-EU party into third place. Were the Finns deliberately misled by EU funded media? I've no idea. But, if the EU's tentacles are anything like as extended into Finland as they are into the UK, this seems a highly plausible explanation for the major polling "errors". http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/21/finnish-ukip-equivalent-defies-predictions-and-grabs-second-place-in-national-election/ This is a party that was almost unheard of a decade ago, and illustrates that yet another EU country is rapidly coming to its senses regarding the EU political experiment. What the Europhiles don't want people to discover is how well the two countries that have already left the EU are doing. What! Countries have actually left the EU?! Why don't we hear about this from UK media? Simples, our EU enthused, EU funded, media don't want you to know! In the age of post-democracy it's not good for you to know. It only suits the ruling elites to tell major porkies about such things, and go where they are going in tiny steps using stealth tactics. Tales of alleged doom and disaster are the only way to keep the proles suitably on message. The truth isn't too hard to seek out these days though. Oceania or the EU?
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Yes, it's to receive ALL live TV and radio broadcasts. No, there's nothing provided. Everyone who uses a TV to receive any live broadcasts is compelled to pay, even if they don't watch the BBC. Same goes for watching live programs over the Internet. Does this include live ITV and other broadcasters over the Internet? Ummm.. I don't know, and yes it's crazy and getting steadily crazier. You can end up with a criminal record if you don't pay, and many do end up criminalised. How does anyone know you are watching live TV over the Internet without a licence when its not encrypted? Don't ask, because you won't believe the answer! Who receives the money? Mainly (but not exclusively) the BBC. ITV doesn't get a bean. Who decides who receives the money? Only the great and the good. Over 75's get excused, but that could be withdrawn quite soon. Blind people seem to get a 50% reduction if they do all the right things. (So, according to the law, a totally blind person could end up in jail for "watching TV" )
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Wow I'm out there raving on my own am I Merc? Well - another personal attack from you aside - polling shows about a 70:30 split in favour of abolishing the licence fee. Even if I were in a small minority I have a right not to be censured, exactly like you! I'm not surprised, I'd just like to hear them! We can have a discussion about alternative methods of funding the BBC, but it was a perfectly valid to point out that the petition does not mention BBC funding at all, and it simply isn't about funding. There's a significant body of opinion in broadcasting circles that the BBC doesn't need to be as big as it is. It regularly outgrows the licence fee and has to be pruned. That's like any self perpetuating organisation that's lost sight of its original purpose; presumably you've come across a bit of Kafka on your travels? There are numerous ways of funding what the BBC does without dragging people before the courts and criminalising them. (The petition puts this better than I do.) A lot of what the BBC does though is very me-too, and would be just as well done by commercial companies (actually it already is, but the BBC intersperses itself in the transactions). Public service broadcasting is very good at what it does well, and I don't hear any suggestions that it shouldn't continue to do that. But, we are no longer living in the 1960's and its relatively simple to deliver the programs to those who are willing to fund them directly, and allow those who don't want to pay to opt out.
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No it doesn't! An LD vote is a totally wasted vote, even if you can stomach their crazy love affair with the EU and EU waste. They won't even be able to hang on to the majority of their safe seats, let alone win any more. It's very likely that even Cleggie will lose his seat. Despite continuing BBC propaganda the only party that can replace Labour here is Ukip, and Melanie Hurst is a top performing local girl who will give Bedlington its due! The weekend's Survation national poll: LD; 7% Ukip: 17% Green: 3% Other: 6% If Lavery gets in again my bet is that it will be tribal Tory votes who will make this possible. The size of the Tory vote will be the true measure of our civc stupidity! http://ukip.wansbeck.org/
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The petition is about scrapping the licence fee folks. It's NOT about scrapping the BBC, or about the BBC taking advertising. It would actually be more instructive if you'd read the reasoning on the actual petition and say exactly what you disagreed with. Those who currently get a free licence could well change their minds once Labour or the Tories scrap the concession. Like the winter heating allowance it's low hanging fruit for the next round of cuts. In case its escaped your attention none of LIbLabCon has ruled this out. In fact Labour is probably best placed to do the deed, as they have less to worry about from "the grey lobby". Remember prescription charges? And, regarding the BBC bias: yes, people have always complained, but those complaints have always come from across the political spectrum. That's certainly not what is happening now; the BBC is now near totally colonised by ex-Guardinistas who see it as their purpose in life no longer to inform but to filter and indoctrinate. That's pretty much why Paxo and others quit. The attitude to things like "climate change" is telling; it's now no longer necessary to represent a spectrum of views, because the BBC has decided that debate is not "socially useful". But, it's far more sinister than harmless lefties driving the agenda: it has become the mouthpiece of the forthcoming European superstate. That should be of concern to any thinking person, and to anyone that values their liberty! Do not fool yourselves that this is the BBC we once knew. However patronising and class-ridden that was, that BBC was near transparent in what it did. Like other things in this world it's now trading on a long established brand label that doesn't truly represent the contents of the tin, and hoping that not too many people notice.
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The camera isn't available at the moment whilst a new fixed IP connection is being installed for it. This should fix the occasional outages when its IP changes and the system has to play catch-up. It will also provide more bandwidth for multiple simultaneous connections. The work shouldn't take too long.
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Well... as I've said before the establishment doesn't want the full truth to come out before the election, and hopefully not until they are all six feet under/unable to plead. Only question is which election! Pity though your lefty bover boys (ably assisted by the Guardianistas) were so keen to nail a Tory that they fingered entirely the wrong person. Alastair McAlpine was in fact a really decent guy, and there's no doubt in my mind he would still be alive today if it hadn't been for the mistaken identity, and the lefty lunacy. It's a sad observation that those who make the most noise on the left are no less sickening than the very people on the right they try to demonise, and are in fact far less discriminating! At least the idiots on the extreme right don't try to control and redefine our language.
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Well... if it was a choice between Natalie Bennet, Nichola Sturgeon, Leanne Wood, or indeed any of the Labour wimmin (who were put there simply because they are wimmin, and not necessarily the best person for the job) I will go into coalition with Marilyn Monroe, any day, any election! Can I have a pick? How about this (sung by Nichola of course!)?
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Well... does the BBC really have a conscience, or are they simply in tactical retreat? Either way it indicates that all the complaints were justified, and that the David Dimbleby protestations aren't tenable. Victory for Ukip: BBC backs down and gives Farage his own TV show after debate fix row Maybe the latest Survation/Daily Mirror poll had something to do with this, as it utterly confounds the constant drumbeat on every BBC show that the Ukip vote is faltering. I bet they don't mention that the Green support is now showing at only 3% though. The most instructive thing about Thursday's debate was what happened at the end. The coven of ladies (who are up for spending money we haven't got) formed a dutiful queue - in strict order of seniority - for their ministerial roles in Ed's minority coalition government. Ms Sturgeon is just about curtseying for the honour. But, once the knot is tied, you don't need much imagination to work out who'll be "wearing the trousers".