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Just now, mercuryg said:

Absolutely true, Moe, but doesn't it concern you at least a little that a vote of this importance was put in the hands of a group of persons of whom, let's be honest, few knew - or know - all the facts? Or, to go a step further, didn't actually care very much about it? 

No it does not concern me at all.

As I said most people in this area vote labour no matter what, purely due to the fact that parents and grandparents before them did so, they know and care little about political matters.Does it concern me? not in the least it is that persons democratic right to vote as they see fit, do all of us who voted differently protest at the democratic result?, no. 

The day we stop allowing people to vote because we think they are to ignorant to understand politics would be the end of the UK and democracy as we know it .

The alternative would be to allow the wealthy elite to make decisions on our behalf.

Changes are a coming in Europe and the rest of the world, and those on the gravy train don't like it.      

People don't HAVE to know why they voted: they still have a right to vote.

An orangutan could stand for election in our local areas and as long as it was standing for Labour it would win and we would accept the democratic result

People are only called politically illiterate when when it does not suit the wishes and whims of the wealthy  elite.

I suggest that there are many more who don't know why they voted to remain but are too arrogant  to find out why!

Oh the wails and cries of the  out of touch Londoners and the Oxford hooray Henry's and luvies panicking when they realised the rest of the U.K could think for themselves

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The majority of folk  would always do the exact opposite to what Phony and his marrows want.

Lets give them all a big thank you, if it was not for them shouting so loud about how bad brexit was we would never have won the referendum.

They still don't get the fact that they are hated and many folk will vote to do the opposite of what ever  they say. 

Cheers guys for setting us free even though you never intended it      

On 09/11/2010 at 12:56, Barton Lad said:

 

 it reminded me of a "clippie shop" at Choppington Station. The shop was on the right side going up the bank. I think the shops on the left, were a barber's, fish & chip shop and a grocer. On the corner was the Railway tavern, with the Lord Clyde on the opposite side.

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My mother tells me the fish and chip was once owned by the Wilsons and then by the Hunters, One of the Wilsons I think it would be Kitty married in to the Rice family who had the fish and chip shop at Scotland gate.

Some of the other shops on the bank she tells me one sold feed for hens etc and another one was ran by Davy Moody before he started with his wagons in the coal and haulier trade. She says he also delivered using a large basket and she can remember he sold cakes.    

I am also told that the Pioneer boot repair people also had a repair factory/shop next to the Lord Clyde pub.

And going up the bank towards Scotland Gate one of the houses was a Doctors surgery.

I myself can remember in the sixties a shop selling car tyres on the bank same side as the railway tavern pub.

As for Scotland gate front street I can remember most of the shops Hendersons the post office, Brian and Joyce ward newsagent, the star picture house long gone, then  the Travellers rest known as Wallys then around the corner next to the institute was the COOP, groceries downstairs shoes and clothes upstairs.Back on the front street was one of two fish and chip shops called  Hedleys, then you had Blackburns sweet shop , next the butchers then the fruit and veg shop I cant remember the names ,then a clothes shop called hatchet and then Rices fish and chip shop then another pub long gone that I cant remember the name of then the Garage.

Over the road was Taits ice cream shop Robsons stores then some sort of Chapel next was Taylors the bakers a Doctors surgery the Kings arms pub Scotland gate club.         

It now looks like even more pressure is being piled on Cramlington

This week the trust announced that during the winter months the opening hours at urgent care centres in Hexham, Wansbeck and North Tyneside would be cut from 24-hours to 8am to midnight, seven days a week.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/health/urgent-care-centres-three-north-12210180

We seem to live in a world that  is filled with politicians and luvies and who spend most of the time being offended by trivial matters, but this one takes the biscuit.

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Just now, mercuryg said:

 

I think I'll get a spade and a rope, and shift the monument myself to settle the issue once and for all!

Now if that costs nothing   I would have no objection at all. maybe John will give you a hand, and I don't mean that in a sarcastic  manner .

7 hours ago, John Fox (foxy) said:

Or perhaps they could be spineless and prefer to hide behind a nom de plume.? Turns out some of them don't know where they live....East ...West.. Central,  do we really need them at the meetings?

 

Well John I am most certainly not hiding behind anything I use a forum handle or as you say nom de plume just as the majority of the posters on this forum do, does that make them spineless also?

Its a shame you also resort to sarcasm when things dont go your way, I always thought you were a better man  than that.

What ever does my name or handle or the compass point of my home have to do with resiting trotters monument John ? seems  I have trod on the toes of one of the six disciples.   

17 hours ago, Bedlingtonian said:

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There appears to be a dispute over the relocation of the memorial monument and for what it is worth my view is that nobody would know what it is if it was moved to the centre of a busy roundabout. .

Take care  Bedlingtonian, voicing an alternative opinion is frowned upon ,

Maybe that's why no one is attending those meetings

No problem Malcome, I will stand with my opinion ,

Then we must agree to disagree Malcome 

Just now, mercuryg said:

 the St Cuthberts Cross flower bed (did you know they were arranged thus, by the way? I didn't!) can only be viewed from the air is surely a point to consider? The monument would be a fitting sight for people entering the town, in a prominent position. Of course, we're all entitled to our opinion, and yours remains as valid as mine.

I actually seen the roundabout from above once (its a long story for another time maybe ) and it looked like a swastika 

I thank you for respecting my opinion as I do yours , the world would be a happier place if we all did just that .

Just now, mercuryg said:

 Perhaps, rather than continuing to comment on what we don't agree with, we could choose something to congratulate Malcolm and his team for? There's plenty, in addition to that mentioned above.

While I commend you for your support to your friends efforts I must remind you that my disagreement with him is  to the resiting of the Trotter monument and spending money purely for the sake of spending money, and on that I  can never agree with. 

9 hours ago, Malcolm Robinson said:

And BTW, I have a full time job as well as a lot of other voluntary commitments!  

Did I say you had not ?  

There is a weird paradox in politics - they so often deliver the opposite to that expected..

Obama, the first black president, has presided over an increase in racial tensions

Blair's 'Labour' government greatly widened the rich/poor divide

Thatcher actually increased welfare spending

Trump may be an odious narcissist, but he also knows how to run a business, which is a rare thing in US politics.
 

Just now, Malcolm Robinson said:

Ok Mow I'll carry on getting off my backside and trying to get things moving you carry on criticising from your armchair!  

Actually Macome I don't know if I mentioned but I run my own business have done for many years and I still work hands on seven days a week 364 days of the  year (i close on Christmas day )  so my armchair is something I don't get much opportunity to sit in, but I will continue to  debate and communicate with you and anyone else who is supposed to represent the  interests of me and mine,   A strong opposition is vital to a healthy democracy. Malcome, you need to learn how to take criticism without  resorting ill tempered and somewhat  sarcastic retorts.      

3 hours ago, Malcolm Robinson said:

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Make no mistake there are huge changes coming, . 

Aye I will believe it when they happen Malcome,

But you aint changed my opinion that wasting money on moving Trotters monument is nowt more than a vanity project and should be near the end of  the very long list of things that need doing in Bedlington .so I will pass on joining you and your mates as I would be singing from a different hymn book but thanks for the invite .

Just now, Malcolm Robinson said:

the displays on the red lion roundabout is one of the towns finest assets.

Mow, mow, mow, No they most certainly are not, even our Bedlington in Bloom group wants them abolished!  Also the fact that they are our NCC 'Gateway' feature just adds insult to injury!   

Well Maclome I can remember the days when the red lion roundabout flower displays were magnificent to behold and often used on postcards of Bedlington, wonderful arrays of colour, I think it should be restored to its former glory,  it was one of the best displays I have seen and a credit to the Councils gardening workers.      

If you mean just clearing a patch in the middle of the roundabout thus  having a  three or four feet square of less ground to tend to   I doubt this would make virtually no difference to its maintenance requirements at all, and personally I would rather see those 6 workers employed goodness knows we have enough poor folk out of work .

Did I say make them unemployed..........redeployed into more productive areas would be my suggestion.  

Well I am pleased no one will be losing wages over it so you would not be actually be saving any actual physical money then.

Our Valued objects and qualities such as historic buildings and cultural traditions that have been passed down from previous generations: are something to be proud of and cherish. moving them around like chess pieces on a board will not one jot of difference make  to our heritage, would moving the market cross to a more conspicuous location   make Bedlington more  impressive to visitors ? or  how about taking the blue plaques off our listed  buildings and displaying them in more prominent place for travellers to see , I don't think so.

Of course displaying the likes of these monuments would be of interest to visitors.......they would get to see it anyway!  Also i presume you therefore disagree with the initial cultural vandalism which took place in the 70's and see the memorial moved in the first place.  What's being suggested is actually reinstating its original position.    

And don't get me started on Blue Plaques............we seem to have lost one!!!!!!!!!

I do disagree with the culture vandalism Malcome not just that of the seventies but also what is still taking place I think it was so sad to see the windows at the old Midland bank (HSBC) butchered, the front of that building was so unique, and the demolition of the old school on church lane was such a shame , it would have been nice to have seen it restored and used for something maybe a museum  but to late now.   

Personally I would have liked to have seen something done about the large number of multi coloured  steel shutters that blight the street , and the plastic windows and modern doors that seem to be appearing in growing numbers aircon units and satellite dishes and great big banners on the roundabouts, derilict bits of land that are overgrown and full of rubbish but no one seems interested in such things    

Again mow so far out of touch its untrue.  Why not toddle over the road once a month and attend a Town Council meeting then you would know just how much effort we have put into trying to hold the NCC planners to account over their lack of interest in Bedlington and its planning guidelines!      I have been at county hall three times over the last few months fighting planning applications and incursions on behalf of residents.  Must have missed you or are you really one of these uninterested people you speak of?  

No Malcome I have a great interest and love of the town I was born and raised in, but as you don't know me you would not know if you had attended one of your meetings or missed me at county hall as you say,but  if you are having no joy fighting the good fight then I fear that I who have need to get a basic  understanding of what I am talking about  would be of little help to you. 

I would rather have things done and money spent for the benefit of Bedlington residents, not the occasional visitor who may be passing through on the top deck of the 400 on his or hers way to buy some shoes or socks at a town that has some shops, but as you said earlier you are sick of folk complaining  about that.

You don't need to paraphrase me mow, or take what i say out of context but you do need to do just a little research and get a basic understanding of what you are talking about.  

 

Just now, Malcolm Robinson said:

 

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34 minutes ago, Malcolm Robinson said:

 

Yes there are many things which need to be done in the town but 99% of them are NCC's remit, one of the main things a Town Council can do is try and promote the place with whatever they have to work with, in our case an enviable line of heritage which should be on show for any visitor or traveller passing through the Town.  

 

As for the costs question the savings to be made by not employing up to 6 workers every month or so to look after those grasses in the middle of the roundabout far far outweighs any costs that this project may or may not be costing!   So to answer your question I'm proposing to still spend nowt on the monument but reduce the costs of the  upkeep of the roundabout by using the monument .................. 

Malome Malcome Malcome .I think you are digging a deeper hole for yourself here, are you seriously telling us that the entire flower beds and grass on the large red lion roundabout would be done away with to site a monument that can be no more than a few foot square ? I very much hope not the displays on the red lion roundabout is one of the towns finest assets.

If you mean just clearing a patch in the middle of the roundabout thus  having a  three or four feet square of less ground to tend to   I doubt this would make virtually no difference to its maintenance requirements at all, and personally I would rather see those 6 workers employed goodness knows we have enough poor folk out of work .

Our Valued objects and qualities such as historic buildings and cultural traditions that have been passed down from previous generations: are something to be proud of and cherish. moving them around like chess pieces on a board will not one jot of difference make  to our heritage, would moving the market cross to a more conspicuous location   make Bedlington more  impressive to visitors ? or  how about taking the blue plaques off our listed  buildings and displaying them in more prominent place for travellers to see , I don't think so.

Personally I would have liked to have seen something done about the large number of multi coloured  steel shutters that blight the street , and the plastic windows and modern doors that seem to be appearing in growing numbers aircon units and satellite dishes and great big banners on the roundabouts, derilict bits of land that are overgrown and full of rubbish but no one seems interested in such things     

I would rather have things done and money spent for the benefit of Bedlington residents, not the occasional visitor who may be passing through on the top deck of the 400 on his or her way to buy some shoes or socks at a town that has some shops, but as you said earlier you are sick of folk complaining  about that.

I think the topic has been exhausted.                 

Just now, Malcolm Robinson said:

 

 

Also the costings of this memorial transfer suggestion…….you are only looking at one side of the equation! 

 

Then when the estimated cost of the move is known it should be made available to Bedlington residents who should then decide if its value for money Malcome.

If no costings have been made then you are as wise as me on how much it would cost.

My point being that the monument costs us nowt at the moment so I dont see how you can claim spending money on it will save us money.

One thing I do know is that moving that monument will have no benefit on or enhance the life of  me or any other resident of Bedlington,

Of all the things that require doing in the Town moving Trotters monument   must be at the end of a very long list.

This is obviously something you and a few other are passionate about doing and good on you ,but alas  I see it as no more than a vanity project of little importance , but unfortunately I have no say in how my taxes are spent      

Just now, Maggie/915 said:

Bedlington will rise again.

So will wore lasses Yorkshire puddings, but am not holding me breath in anticipation   

8 hours ago, Maggie/915 said:

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Access to be allowed on a Bedlington Heritage Day , say in June /July with a brass band playing and marching down the Main Street to Atlee Park.

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Lets hope none of them marchers want ta use the lavvy  Maggie, or the band will be playing yellow river at Atlee park

I told them they could use my slogan

Monica Lewinsky siad she could not vote for Hillary as the last Clinton who was in office left a bad taste in her mouth

34 minutes ago, Maggie/915 said:

I like the idea of the monument being more visible .

 

Spot on Maggie me to, stuck in the middle of the roundabout who on earth could walk up to it and look at it . maybe the WBTC could get  some of them big telescopes that you see on the seafront ya stick a shilling in to get a couple of minutes looking at the monument     they could use the revenue from them to open the lavies .