Canny lass

Is he sure it's Howard Row? I have it on very good authority (family) that Howard Row was stone-built. This looks like brick.

Widow seems abit big for the colliery houses as well.

On 09/03/2020 at 18:46, Paul Lucas said:

Canny Lass my father Henry Lucas was also born at either No1 or 7 Howard Row in 1920. Are there any photos of these houses and what happened to them ?

 

Hello Paul! Welcome to the forum. Look at the 1947 map which I posted above a couple of years ago. Howard Row was built in two blocks, with several years inbetween. The first block, the oldest of the Howard pit houses, is nearest the pit head and is where your father was born at nr.7 The numbers ran from 1-22 starting at the pit and going towards the social club. Your family may have lived there quite a while as there is a Lucas family at that address in 1911.

I was born in 1947 at the other end of the street but have no memory of how it was because the family was möved to alternative accommodation shortly afterwards so that the houses could be demolished. I know, that at 3 yo I was still living the alternaive accommodation but the family must have returned to the newer  colliery houses shortly after, because I started school at Netherton Infants at the age of 4½ in 1951. We lived then in Third Street. 

By then Howard Row and Yard Row no longer  existed.They then seem to have been demolished a few years as the sites were overgrown with grass and bushes - a favourite playground area! The sites of the two blocks of Howard Row  can be clearly seen in the ariel photo running north from the letter M up to the pit.

 Howard Row, nrs 1-22  were the smallest of the colliery houses with only two rooms. Yard Row consisted also of two rooms . The odd house had three rooms but this was because the residents built make-shift lean-toos over the outer areas However, the second block of Howard Row, nearest the  social club was built with three rooms. Residents, even here increased some houses to four rooms using the same ingenuity as in Yard Row. As I said previously, I never saw these houses so yhe information I can offer is only what I've heard from older family members about living conditions in Howard Row.(my oldest siste was 20 years older than me).

In his book on Netherton, Evan Martin shares this photo of Howard Row, presumably the gap between the two blooks.

In the gallery you can find this photo which is reportedly of Clifton Row. I played with school friend in Clifton Row and can't remember it being as delapidated as this. Clifton Row was the newer, more modern of the pit rows before First-Third Street were built. I think this is Yard Row or even Howard Row. Both rows were built to the same plan I believe.

On 27/02/2020 at 18:39, Apple John said:

Think the date is 1965.As Ursula Marley left to go to senior school in  July 1965 and myself, Ann Ridley , Anne Brown  Glynis and others left in July 1966.

John Mather

OK. My relative would have just had his 4th birthday so I thought he wasn't old enough to have started school. I thought they started at 5 yo.

2 hours ago, Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) said:

Nobody has confirmed the year of 1967.

1967 sounds more reasonable than the 1965 stated on the photo. I965 my relative wasn't old enough to start school.

Having a bit of difficulty getting my head around the details in that photo! I recognise a relative, already named, but his age and the date on the photo don't quite match up. Also having difficulties with the building. Had the infant school at NETHERTON closed and had the pupils transferred to NEDDERTON? Netherton was an infant school but Nedderton was a Junior school.in my time. I'll have to do a bit of digging.

It could well be the rear of the building which faces the road in Nedderton village but I think the window panes were upright, same as the front of the building. Of course, they could have fitted new windows. Can't imagine where they fitted in 72 pupils!!

Thanks Eggy, I think the 1950 photo also shows Paul as the same people are in both photos - I'm assuming it's the whole class. In 1950 Paul would be about 6 yo but Kevin was a few years older.

Nr. 13 Surname is Goonan but, if this is 1950 it could be Kevin's younger brother Paul. How old would these children be when the photo was taken?

Thanks Eggy! Brenda would be about my age so I thought it odd that she would have a brother so many years older and started  to doubt the date on the photo.

On 24/04/2019 at 13:10, Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) said:

Posted on the Facebook group Bygone Bedlington with this comment from James Lee Aynsley :- 

Eggy, this photo is already in the gallery 'Netherton/Nedderton Old Photos', where the date is given as 1924. 

Brenda Ellis, would thet date fit in with the age of your brother?

I think that might be the first picture I've seen of Yard Row (background).

That's amazing! All that's left to say is 'Carry on clarting!' you're doing a great job! Thanks.

I've explored many avenues looking for a logical explanation for this title but never in a million years would I have come up with that one !

Christine Rowell it is!

Would I be right in thinking that's Bower Grange?

Eggy, would you like to explain the title: 'Mrs Fox's class clarting'. Clarting?

On 16/11/2018 at 11:48, Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) said:

@Canny lass - differences in Riggers list to your list = 

CL                                                 Rigger

16. Lorraine Armstrong       Margaret Coppin

                                                        Lorraine Armstrong - No 34

24 Barbara (Stephenson?)  Barbara Smith ?

31 Patricia French ?                Kathleen Brown

I agree with Rigger but with reservations for Pat French/Kathleen Brown. 

I also agree that #25 is Ann TYLER, not Ann Smith. I can also confirm that #20 is indeed Pat May and #33 is Joyce Butcher. It's amazing what a bit of memory jogging can do! Thanks Rigger.

With Pat French vs. Kathleen Brown I'm not sure. These two looked quite similar and I'd completely forgotten Kathleen. I'm leaning more towards Kathleen now but not 100% sure.

There's another girl in this class who's name hasn't cropped up yet: Dorothy Dickinson. Could she be #19 or #35

Thanks Lorraine! #16 is indeed Margaret Coppin, though I wouldn't have recognised her from this photo - or you yourself.

I have to admit that 42 looks like Gladys Stewart but I wondered what she was doing in this group as she would be a couple of years younger than those I recognise. Could this be several classes or some other combination of pupils (as there are three teacherst here)? 

16 Lorraine Armstrong

18 Jacqueline Armstrong

24 Barbara (Stephenson?)

25 Ann  Smith

26 Janice (Surname given as Hindhaugh on an earlier class photo)

27 Lesley Bainbridge

31 ? Patricia French

32 Eileen Brown

36 Yvonne Williamson

37 Sylvia Hindhaugh/Hindmarsh

43 Lorna Hudson

"Update from No 12  Derek Johnstone - he thinks No 13 Peter Sadler & No 24 Derek Taylor". 

I can confirm that.

Thanks for all the info, Bandsman1966. What a sad end for the band. I loved that band as a kid and me and my brother often played at being'bandsmen' marching (in our fashion) ehind them when they were practicing outside the institute,

I didn't know aout this 'merger'. Does anybody have details of when it occurred and why?

On 20/09/2018 at 21:52, Rigger said:

Eggy

I see No. 40 is shown as Raymond Johnston?? I only knew of one Raymond Johnstone ( my younger brother  in Bedlington.  The photo is not of my brother who attended the Council School West end.

Great photos

Quite right, Rigger. That's definitely not Raymond Johnson, though there was a lad with that name in Netherton Colliery. However, he was a couple of years older than the children in this picture. 

Sorry, I've no idea about No 34. Not sure about No 5 either - looks more like her sister. About how old are these children?

On 09/05/2018 at 20:35, Eggy1948 said:

Netherton Colliery Infants School c1954 - photo from Facrebook group Bedlington Remembered member Bob Baxter. Looks like the whole school. Know any of this lot @Canny lass?

8 Confirm Joe Potts

11 Don’t think this is Norman Carr

16 Anne Amos

17 Ann Moore

20 Margaret Morton

21 Christine Ainsley

24 Confirm Edith Mullen

30 Denise Goves

31 Ann Bower

32 Margaret Coppin

33 Lorna Naisby/Nesbitt ?

11 - could it be a young David Moscrop?