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November 16 2010, according to The Journal: http://www.thejournal.co.uk/news/local-news/jobs-boost-bedlington-wetherspoons-prepares-4444986

Thanks, Rigger! This is a long överdue and very welcome addition to the material available for research today. I'll be using this quite a lot!

You can never go on too long HPW! Every word is valuable to me. I all helps paint a picture of the life and times of my ancestors. It's not always a pretty picture but it's vivid and full of detail. As you say, pitwork isn't an easy thing to describe to someone like me, who's never been, let alone worked down a coal mine. It isn't easy for us either when the 'experts' write about it using a terminology which only miners can understand. I really appreciate the time and effort yourself, Vic and Pete take to write about coalmining and the way you explain the terminology as it crops up in the text. Now, here's something from my field of work that you miners might find interesting: You mention "Gates" - tailgates, dummygates, mothergates and panelgates and you say that these 'gates' are "roadways". I, in my naivety, when these 'gates' have previously been mentioned have thought that it was a gate of the open and close kind. Now I know otherwise!But did you know that you've been speaking a bit of Swedish (Old Norse, to be precise) every time you speak of gates down the pit. Gate - meaning roadway - comes from the Scandinavian word gata - a word, still in use today, meaning 'street'. It can be found above ground as well in some street names like: Oldgate, Oldgate within, Newgate etc. So, I think you have earned the title 'HPW Honorary Swede'.

We may not always see eye to eye politically, 3g, but on this occasion I'm 100% in agreement. A second referendum would make a complete a-hole of democracy. Signed!

Moi? Never!

My last post (11.47am) is marked "hidden" and doesn't appear in the time line. Can anybody tell me why?

Thank you! I would never have guessed fungus! I'm very pleased to know that they are beneficial rather than dangerous as I was having visions of having to replace all the soil in the spring.

Thanks Eggy & VIc. I use these sites also ut they have one big prolem for me: It often requires a considerable degree of mining knowledge in order to understand the content. Take the second definition of "haulage boy" given by Eggy. In the first sentence you have "jotties", "panel gates" and "ganging" - all meaningless to me , so that definition is wasted on me. It's much better to ask here on Bedders where we have people with a great deal of mining experience and who are able to answer in simple everyday language that can be understood by the likes of me. There's the added bonus that if I don't understand then I can ask for clarification. It's not a bad idea to have these things explained in 'clear speak' somewhere on the Internet. There must be more than me who have believed that everybody underground is simply a 'miner' when, in truth, there are a myriad of occupations with varying specialist competence below ground. It's a whole new world for me.

Does anybody have any idea what this is? I cover my flower beds witha 4" layer of wood chips to prevent weeds growing. Every 4-5 years I dig it in and replace it (as most of it has turned to soil anyway). Last week I found loads of these 'things' on the wood chips that remained. The largest of those shown are about 6mm in diameter and about 5mm in height. The 'cup' is leathery rather than hard but that may be due to the wet weather. I think it might be 'vegetable' but my OH (who's never seen them before, either) thinks they may be 'animal' - insect eggs to be more precise. The first picture shows the smaller ones, in which the contents of the cups seem to be covered in some sort of protective membrane.

Thanks Vic, HPW, Eggy! I've got a glowing picture of the work now. Your next starter for 10 is: What is/was a 'rope boy' (14 years old, 1851). Just shout out if I'm being a nuisance with all these questions.

Can any of our resident coal-mining experts help me - again! 1. What is a 'scuffler'? I've no idea if it still exists in mining today. This is an 18 year old miner found in the 1939 register. 2. What is a 'rolley way man'? Also 1939.

Thanks for that info Alex! All these years I've been calling him Jack 'Antonio' - just as my parents and, I suspect, the rest of Netherton did way back in the fifties. I see now that we were all wrong as it should have been Jack 'Antonino'. Lovely to see that the firm is still going after all these years.

Happy (belated) birthday from me too, Andy.

Thanks Pete! I'd noticed that the picture changed every time I tried. I just put it down to the drink at the W/E!

No problem with the dropdown menu but I just get the icon when clicking on the menu. I tried your suggestion, Pete, and opened the image in a new tab but all it produced was a still picture.

No picture at all here.

Happy to have been of some help.

Rigger, it might be helpful to cross check the information/adress you obtained from the Record of Enlistment with the info/adress given by the persons themselves in their military records. From what you say, I'd hazard a quess that East Row may well be First Street - if it is Netherton and if the year of enlistment is later than the date of construction of the 'modern' housing which included First Street. Prior to the 'modern' houses of First-, Second-, Plessey- and Third Street (built 1905-1909) all houses in the colliery area were Rows. The Francis Pit had Francis Row and South Row. By 1860 these had been renamed New Row and Cross Row. The Howard Pit had Clifton-, Yard- and Howard Row. It's not unlikely that people continued to call the modern housing 'Row' and it's not unreasonable to assume that First Street, given its name, was built in 1905

I've a few in my family who were given a 'surname' as a middle name. That name was usually the maiden name of a woman who had earlier married into the family - a great grandmother or a great-great grandmother for instance. Might be worth having a look at.

Rigger, I've researched Netherton for years and never come across an East Row. However, my research has been concentrated on the collieries and what's now known as Nedderton Village. The area of Netherton, particularly in relation to the census' stretches way beyond the colliery rows and has its boundaries as far afield as Hartford and Stannington. Symptoms has a point when he says the enumerator may have written the name incorrectly. I've found Stone Row written as South Row. Another problem is that street names changed over the years but some residents continued using the old name for many years, even on official documents. Another problem I've encountered is the apalling handwriting of some enumerators. 'First Row' looks very much like East Row on som parts of the census. Can you give me a bit more information. You mention that the entries are "among the Netherton streets and rows". What are these other streets and rows that are mentioned? Perhaps those street names might give me a clue. A link to the actual document would be even more useful.

In the 1901 census it'was simply called 'East End'