Canny lass

It did it again! I can't have pink! I'm strictly purple!

Why did my screen turn pink when i wrote that?

I think it's the crown of Santa Lucia.

Well worth the wait!! That's a BIG like from me.

Nick away bonny lad. You never miss what a friend has!

If she'd be in her fifties now then she couldn't have been very old at the time i have in mind - the fifties. I know Olive lived at number 2 then, because I visited with a relative a couple of times. Bob and Esther didn't have any children then. I don't think they ever had any and I think that's why they loved the colliery 'bairns' as much as they did. They werea really nice couple. Bob had several brothers and sisters. It may have been one of their children who visited Olive. I don't think Olive ever married and she had no children of her own. Not 100% certain on that though.

You must have ours, Vic! It came. It went. It never came back! Christmas is not the same without snow. They are frantically saving the 'scrape' from the ice rinks to use for skiing here.

That would be Olive Rochester, sister of Bob Rochester who was married to Esther who ran the 'shop' in the small green hut at Netherton Colliery. Olive helped out in the shop at odd times when Esther needed a day off. Nice woman but not as generous as Esther when weighing up sweets. Threepence went a lot further with Esther at the scales.

One or two things to think about when you're sitting around, unable to move, after the Xmas dinner (quotes of Stephen Wright): 1 - I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize. 2 - Borrow money from pessimists -- they don't expect it back. 3 - Half the people you know are below average. 4 - 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. 5 - 82.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. 6 - A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good. 7 - A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory. 8 - If you want the rainbow, you got to put up with the rain. 9 - All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand. 10 - The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. 11 - I almost had a psychic girlfriend, ..... But she left me before we met. 12 - OK, so what's the speed of dark? 13 - How do you tell when you're out of invisible ink? 14 - If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something. 15 - Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm. 16 - When everything is coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. 17 - Ambition is a poor excuse for not having enough sense to be lazy. 18 - Hard work pays off in the future; laziness pays off now. 19 - I intend to live forever ... So far, so good. 20 - If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? 21 - Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. 22 - What happens if you get scared half to death twice? 23 - My mechanic told me, "I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder." 24 - Why do psychics have to ask you for your name 25 - If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. 26 - A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. 27 - Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. 28 - The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of the bread. 29 - To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research. 30 - The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. 31 - The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up. 32 - The colder the x-ray table, the more of your body is required to be on it. 33 - Everyone has a photographic memory; some just don't have film. 34 - If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. 35 - If your car could travel at the speed of light, would your headlights work?

There's another Fenwick Redpath, born 1886. Father, Hugh Redpath, mother Margaret (born Chorley , Lancs). Living at Choppington New pit in 1901. Fenwick had, at that time, 5 brothers and sisters: John, William, Elizabeth, Hugh and Frederick. Could that be the Fenwick you are looking for?

Would he have been born in or around 1904 at Choppington Station?

... must get new specs as well!

Has the big switch on happened? The tree appears to be completely dead when I look at it on 'Live'.

What's the difference between the birth of Jesus and the formation of Trump's advisory team? Infinitely more wise men appear at one of them.

Always good to have an 'insider's' view HPW. I watched that programme too but didn't think of any of those things you just told us.

Isn't that a great piece of work by Hodgson! I started reading it, time permitting, a year ago (see my topic "Bedlington pre 1832"). I thought I'd covered all of Bedlingtonshire but this "rendering a rose" doesn't ring any bells. I'm getting quite worried about the state of my bells! Thanks for Hutchinson. That's a new one on me.

We've had knights in Netherton?

I've hardly got my pumpkin put away and here you are celebrating Christmas!! Have you no shame young man!

Thanks again Eggy. KTD I'm familiar with but I've never heard of the Parson & White Trade Directory. I'm rather intrigued by "rendering a rose yearly, if required". Can anybody explain what it means?

Thanks eggy! Philip already gave me this booklet. He's been a great, personal help with my family research.

Which booklet would that be, Eggy? I remeber Betty well! Give her my regards.

First, let's just bring some clarity into the names. There has never been a First-, Second- or a Third Row. While they were built as rows of terraced houses they all had the name Street. The houses in Netherton Colliery, prior to these being built shortly after 1905, were named Row, Howard-, Yard- and Clifton Row as well as the even earlier wooden dwellings in New Row (later renamed South Row.) Second, Evans is wrong when he states that 152 houses were created during the 1905 build. The building of 152 houses was approved in 1905 but all were not built. I believe there were 113-115 houses completed. Third Street had 25, Plessey- (as it later became known) had 27-28, Second- had 29-30 and First Street had, I believe, 32. These houses were built when the Howard Pit was brought back to life after 21 years of standing idle. The wooden dwellings of South Row were, by then, fit only for demolition but some of the later built stone dwellings in Howard-, Yard- and Clifton Row were able to be repaired. The next phase in development was the colliery housing as I remember it, the brick built First-, Second-, Plessey- (as it came to be called) and Third Street. The streets were quite simply named as they were built. First Street being the first of the four rows of houses. What had been South Row, became the 'street' by which the residents reached their front door. It later became a row of gardens but the pavement remained as long as the houses. Originally, as can be seen on the maps above, Second Street consisted of two rows of houses witha common access to their front doors via the 'street' that went between them. Their front doors faced each other and again the pavements remained. Third Street had it's front entrance to the west and that 'street', with pavement, later became a lawned area joining onto the gardens (a later addition). The street names, rather than being the name of the actual row of buildings, were in fact the names of the streets that ran outside the front door of the houses - exactly as they are printed on the map. Two rows of houses shared one back lane which the back door opened onto (albeit inside a yard): First Street and Second Street shared one while Third Street and the other half of Second Street shared the other. These can be quite clearly seen on the map. Where The name Plessey Street came from, I've no idea. I assume it's something to do with the Plessey family and it's dotted about all over the east Northumberland area. I can say, however, that one of the main Northumberland Coalfield seams, The Plessey, was worked at Netherton. When the name came, I can't say with certainty, only that it's always been Plessey Street throughout my lifetime (born 1947). I heard many years ago that the change of name was related to postal difficulties but I've never been able to find any evidence of this. Regarding Old Row, it didn't belong to the Colliery as I knew it. It was situated more towards Nedderton village, simply called 'Netherton' on this map from 1860.

Indeed they should be kept, but try telling that to the leek-growing miners who only saw their brilliant properties when wanting straight, white leeks.

Looking at it again, Third Street had only 24 houses with two houses sharing one chimney stack - 12. These can be counted on aerial photos. The above photo has at least 14 stacks and they seem to be in poor condition as most of the pots are missing. I think this might just be Howard Row before it was demolished. It was there in 1947 as the map shows but it was gone when I was a small child in the early fifties, presumably demolished.

Definitely not Third Street. Wrong type of windows (16 pane instead of four) and wrong number of upstairs windows. This picture shows two upstairs windows and one downstairs window per house. Third Street had one up and one down. Also, though I can't remember ever seeing Clifton Row from this 'front' side - this being reserved mostly for funerals -. this street seems rather long for Clifton Row and I always thought their gardens were across the street from the back door and behind the outside toilets. The old Howard Row or Yard Row springs to mind. Both were long running from the pit and to the social club. here's a map from 1947: