Canny lass

I'm not decrying your use of adjectives. I'm advising you that adjectives can reveal a lot about the writer. I'm also advising you on on how to conceal your apparent subjectivity and at the same time gain credibility. If you'd been a publishing company I'd have sent you a big bill for the service! The next part has me beat. Give me an example so that I can fathom out what you mean about using an adjective without attaching it to anything specific - anything which can be counter argued. You can test any of my ideas. I'd welcome it!

I make no pretence to be dispassionate about "things". I'm very passionate about a lot of things. Seeing that people hear both sides of the story is one of them. Believe me 3g, had you been passionately expounding home-spun left-wing philosophies in the same subjective fashion, I would have been shouting equally loudly about the philosophies of the right-wing - just to encourage people to think for themselves rather than follow the flock.

Most universities in Britain are EU funded.

Oops! Got that quote twice for some reason! As far as I can see: EU law EU Constitutional law Single market EU Welfare Law Relationship between EU law and National courts EUs constitutional framework after the Lisbon Treaty and so on, and so on and so on .... What will happen to this experience when we Brexit? (when we Brexit? I don't think the referendum has taken place yet. Surely you mean IF we Brexit) Nothing will happen to it. You can't take a person's experiences from them. Even without the UK there will still be an EU so that knowledge can still be useful.

That would be all journalists, in my opinion. Journalism is biased towards the political stance and economic status of the publication. Left-wing orientated publications select the facts to be published to suit left-wing readers. Right-wing publications select facts to suit the right-wing reader. That's why we always have different accounts of the same thing. Daily nationals use a language which is more formal, has longer words and a more complex sentence structure to appeal to the target group of readers. Tabloids, on the other hand use a language which resembles the spoken word,uses shorter words and a more simple sentence construction. BOTH manipulate syntax to make the reader believe what they want us to believe.

You are not unique in seeing the effects of EU on real people. We all have eyes and ears and we are all surrounded by real people. You seem to be surrounded by one type, but others may be surrounded by another type. Your interpretation of what you see among say, 100 000 people - I've no idea how many people you know - may just not be representative of what the rest of Britain or Europe are seeing. To put it another way, I feel very strongly about alcohol because I've seen its effect on real people. That does not make me the be all and end all on everything related to alcohol. There are those who know more about the effects of alcohol than me, having not just seen those effects but worked with, suffered from and studied those effects under a long period of time. Would you recommend that journalists are the best people to give advice on alcohol-related matters?

I'm afraid I can't quite follow your logic there.

The remark is true. Difference between you and I is that I think that propoganda machine has two or more facets. Oh, wait a minute! Are you admitting that BOTH sides are using propoganda? Well, that's a step in the right direction. There's hope for you yet, 3g. As for "the one on the Leave side is nothing like as massive as the EU one", I'm afraid I wouldn't know. More importantly I wonder how you know. Can you give me the source of that information (preferably not another newspaper) or ar you just putting into print your own subjective thoughts?

There is nothing cheap about any of my "shots". I have nothing specific in mind. I find the vast majority of your contributions to be totally subjective.You could do yourself a favour - and achieve better credibility - if you started to remove the plethora of adjectives, which give away your personal feelings, from your texts. On the misinformed side of the discussion, I find it amazing/ sickening/ disheartening that you can advocate arguments of a journalist paid to make money for his employer, while vehemently rejecting the work of a professor with 20 years in the field. Start reading some REAL literature!

At last! Some truly credible, sensible arguments for remaining. Just one question: This "ability to fly like an eagle" promise - is it the bird or is it Eddie? Only asking because I fly a lot and this could ultimately get me to come down on one side or the other. Just think what I'd save on air fares!

I have to agree with you on the voting. I'd rather submit a blank vote than not use my right at all. I think you forgot to mention subjective and misinformed, Eggy.

I have to agree with you on that one.

Smart answers: A teacher at West Australian (hand on heart, that's the way it was told to me) university reminded her students of tomorrow's final exam. "Now listen to me, I won't tolerate any excuses for you not being here tomorrow. I might consider a nuclear attack, a serious personal injury, illness, or a death in your family, but that's it. No other excuses whatsoever!" A smart-@rsed teenager at the back of the room raised his hand and asked "What if I come in tomorrow suffering from complete and utter sexual exhaustion?" The entire class was reduced to laughter and sniggering. When silence was restored the teacher smiled at the student, shook her head and sweetly said, "Well, I would expect you to write the exam with your other hand".

That's the most sensible contribution in this disussion to date. Well done! Politicians, on either side, won't be coming out of this looking as though their mission was to responsibly inform the public.

10.20 - 10.40 My sentiments exactly!

Magnificent turnout, Eggy! Round about the 1% mark, and they didn't even have to get off their backsides to vote! Let's hope it will be better on Thursday and that bad weather lack of appropriate clothing doesn't put a damper on the number going to the polling booth. Friday should be very interesting here! I can hear the excuses for why it went the way it did - regardless of the way it goes - as i write. I'm afraid this thread may have a very long life.

You tell me, Webbtrekker! A staggering 17 members (of well over 1000) have bothered themselves to vote in Eggy's poll!

No, they certainly don't! What are YOU doing to try and change that?

Are you now saying that the 25% of indigenous females who were raped were raped prior to 2011? Strange! You've been arguing for months that instances of rape have rocketed since the last wave of refugees. What is it now? 50%?, 75%?. Are you now telling me that all you've been saying is based on hearsay? If you would like statistics for England you can contact the Ministry of Justice where your request for information will be handled under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. I've always found them to be very helpful and up to date. When I last contacted them regarding rape statistics, June 2014, they provided me with statistics up to and including March 2014. I know the Scandinavian countries have the same service and a similar law on information. So,my answer to your question must be: You are not trying hard enough OR you are looking in the wrong places! TIP: newspapers are not reliable sources.

No, you didn't. You said the weather was "colder than I could ever have imagined". I used the adage, "there is no bad weather, only bad clothing" to demonstrate a point. Clearly I didn't do it very well. Let me try again. 'Bad' weather need not be cold weather and cold weather need not be bad weather. It all depends on whether or not you are wearing appropriate clothing. Refugees in Sweden do not need to suffer from weather they are not used to. This is thanks to the generosity of a great many Swedes - those who have managed to retain a humanitarian approach to life - who emptied their wardrobes and who gave appropriate clothing to new arrivals. Until they were outfitted they were advised to stay indoors. Not that advice is necessary, to those who open the door in teperatures of -25 wearing a thin cotton dress or shirt. It's a bit like me going outdoors in +50 in Thailand wearing a fur coat. I've got enough grey cells functioning to tell me to stay indoors or change my clothes. Everything is relative, 3g, everything is relative.

"The group refusing to get off the bus have complained about being in a forest dozens of kilometres from the nearest town, and many of them have demanded to be taken to a big city, or even to Germany". The above quote is taken from the same article and that is exactly how it was reported here. The refugees refused to leave the bus because of the isolated area. The low temperatures were not an issue for them, but for the bus company which feared the refugees would freeze to death when the engine could no longer be kept running. One story, two differnt sides to it. Which report is correct? I've no idea. It's two reporters adjusting text to cater for the needs of two different groups and ulyimately, of course, to sell newspapers.

Having, at university level, thoroughly researched the use of linguistic and paralinguistic features in newspaper reporting, I'm afraid I no longert have many good words to say for ANY newspaper - regardless of its political standing or client group. Newspapers write for a specific group of customers and they adjust their text accordingly. Some newspapers, however, stand out from the crowd. My criticism of them remains. It is in no way ad hominem as it is an objective criticism based on my education and is in no way personal. I think you are feeling threatened again. This is not my intention. My intention is to try and balance the statements you make with statements made by others. That does not mean that I agree with either one or the other. It simply means that there are two sides to every story. It's not a bad idea, for anybody, to read both sides and decide for themselves.

Date of publication please. It's always good to read for oneself.

Very much doubt it, otherwise the 'leaves' and the' remains' wouldn't be going at it hammer and tongs as they are just now.

His bark is worse than his bite really. Try thinking of him as a cute cuddly teddy bear. It usually takes the edge off.