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Just heard that Jo Cox has now died of her injuries. Tragic!

What is British politics coming to! Whatever happened to the reasoned, respectul democratic debate/discussion that I grew up with. My thoughts go out to this brave woman - whatever her political persuasion - and her family.

TT: Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå, the Swedish national news bureau. Sorry about that. I have the same problem with a lot of the English abbreviatons.

The above quotes refer to a vote by the Federal Assembly on March 1st. It was thenhad to be approved by the Council of State for approval. That approval came on Wednesday - yesterday. The decision made by the CoS is that Switzerland will withdraw its request for accession to the European Union. It hasn't been done yet. I'm sure it'll make the news soon. I heard that it was on TT today.

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Battles to be fought, riots to be quelled, dragons to be slain. I know the feeling Adam! Welcome back

Moe, I was very happy to read this. I knew from the background that he couldn't have been "looking on" as stated in the video. Another point of interest is that today I learned that the policeman (singular) and the Community Support Officers were there, as usual, because it was Farmers' Market Day 10am - 2pm. They are there EVERY farmers' Market Day. However, this is a monthly event occurring on the second Saturday of the month. Hardly surprising then that Sam hadn't seen them earlier. I know that junction 'painfully' well and it is not the best place to have a crowd collecting, especially on a market day. I'd have asked him to move as well.

I think I know my own mind somewhat better than you and I assure you that I have no interest one way or the other should Britain choose to stay or go. I do not have a vote because I have not lived in the UK for more than 15 years. In some ways I'm happy not to have a vote. I don't think I could choose. As I said previously, there are advantages and disadvantages which ever way it goes - it's six of one and two threes of the other for me. Like you, I'm not happy with how things are dealt with in Brussels. Unlike you, I think there are more ways than one to deal with the problem. You seem to think that you can guess the political persuasion of everone judging by the newspapers they read. It doesn't work that way I'm afraid. I cannot say that I have any particular political persusion. When it's time to vote, I seek information, often from several sources, From that information, my personal situation at the time, the state of the UK, the state of Europe (or the state of my county if the vote is here). Based on that information I make my decision on how to vote. I find my persuasion changes as i get older. This means that at times, I have voted Labour, at times I have voted Conservative, at times I have voted Liberal and everything else in between. Very often I place a blank ballot paper in the box. I do this when I don't think any of the parties have anything to offer. Unfortunately, that is becoming increasingly often! I think it's important that they know there are dissatisfied voters.

I often ask you to support, preferably with fact, some statements which I perceive as logically fallacious. That is not derision. That is debate. What on earth do sex crimes have to do with this? I find your last remark childish, in the present context, and that is not becoming of a man of your maturity. At no time have I offered any excuse for mass sex crimes. Neither do I know anyone who turns a blind eye to sex crimes and don't recall having sided with anyone on the subject of sex crimes. You are totally and utterly out of turn in saying so. 3g, I cannot see something that isn't there - no matter what my powers of perception may, or may not, be! I saw two sheets of paper being held in a hand. I've no idea whose hand. The two sheets of paper contained the index to The Highways Act 1980. At 01.14 we are informed that: "Sam was shown this bit of law on a piece of paper, citing the Highways Act 1980 and was told that he was in breach of it by causing an obstruction and a nuisance". At no point was any information given relating to who had shown him the paper. I did find that strange. Had it said 'police' or 'council official' it would have added fuel to his argument. However, it did not mention either. One can only speculate as to why. BTW, The Highways Act 1980 is not a by-law. It is an act of parliament.

Well, this one's certainly not camera shy. Just the opposite.

Well, I’ve had another look at that video and I have to admit I WAS WRONG! There are not three policemen. There is only ONE. 00.18 Opening shot: Two Community Support Officers – it says so clearly, in English, on the back of their high viz vests. There is definitely one council worker in high viz jacket standing behind Sam Gould – Gould himself says so pointing: “the council worker, just here behind me, was sent down to …” 01.26 Not “2 or 3 police” but 1 police (in Turban) and one male Community Support Officer (it says so on his high viz vest) , the blue shirt’s a dead give-away as well, on the corner of Castle Street and Market Street. 01.31 Not “one police (with turban) plus a rather threatening policeman or council official” but one female Police Community Support Officer (it says so on her high viz vest) with pony tail, and one other person in high viz jacket but I’ve no idea what he does for a living, on the same corner, opposite side of the road. 01.33 Same corner, same policeman (with turban) plus the guy above in the high viz jacket who has now crossed the road. 01.35 Same corner, same policeman (in turban) plus the Police Community Support Officer talking to an extremely cheerful looking ‘Leave’- campaign worker. 01.38 Same place, close up image of afore mentioned policeman (with turban) and female Police Community Support Officer with pony tail. 01.40 Same place, back view of same policeman (with turban) and female Police Community Support Officer with pony tail. 02.01 Same place again, same policeman again (with turban) and same female Police Community Support Officer with pony tail standing by the ‘Leave campaign stand’. No sign of any ‘pressurizing’ seen at this end. Perhaps you can explain just how this pressurizing manifests itself and we’ll have another look 02.22 This is getting a bit boring, I know, but same place, same police officer (with turban) and same Police Community Support Officer (with pony tail). We don’t see any ‘harassing’ going on at any stand. Again, perhaps you can explain how this harassment is manifesting itself and we’ll have another look. 03.03 One Community Support Officer, same one seen at 01.26

My health is fine, thank you, apart from the persistent pain in the neck.

I couldn't agree with you more, Moe. What I'm saying is that there is something about that video which doesn't quite ring true. Do we KNOW that the police and council workers were showing partiality? We only hear one side of: Why there were (many?) police there. I only saw three, (all high viz jackets are not worn by police). Why the leave campaigners were asked to move? (Having onced crashed my car on that very corner, I know that it's a very dangerous corner). Maybe the request to move had something to do with traffic. Why, to quote Breibart, "the local campaigner Sam Gould took the opportunity to film the incident"? (We didn't see or hear any of the incident). Why there just happened to be a film crew from Spider studio plus at that very spot. Why we don't see the campaigners being asked to move? We only see Gould complaining about being moved. Why we don't see Wayne David anywhere near the stand(s) which Gould mentions? And finally I have to ask why an incident of such significance hasn't been reported in any press, local or National, or by Ukip Wales? Misunderstand me correctly, I have no interest one way or the other. Having lived outside of the UK in excess of the stipulated 15 years, I don't even have a vote. I can see advantages and disadvantages both in staying and in leaving. I'm not saying Gould is lying. I'm not saying Gould is telling the truth. I'm saying that, to me, this video 'smells'. Of course, just as all that glitters is not gold so all that smells of sh*t isn't necessarily sh*t. It may just have spent too long in the company of an asshole. I'm just thinking critically and advising others to do likewise.

Anther couple of things about that video that 'puzzle' me: Gould says he was moved on because "we are winning". This is the 11th of June. A poll on the 9th of June in Caerphilly puts the figures at 18% undecided, 41% leave, 41% remain. It's a while since I've been in Caerphilly but I'm not sure that Wayne Davis could be "looking on", with pleasure or otherwise (hard to see), from where he's standing.

I believe Caerphilly is in Wales - was when I lived there - and isn't Sam Gould's the Ukip MP for the constituency of Caerphilly? It could indeed be possible. Is it also possible that they just happened to be passing by on that one day when someone called the police? Strange they weren't just passing by on any of the other 20 days of that campaign (I think he said he's been there for three weeks).

There are a few thigs about that video that make me stop and think: It's not just any video made by a passer-by on the spur of the minute. Flashing lights! It's made by a hired company - 'Spider studios plus' who charge 699 quid for a 3.5 minute video. (This one is 3.25 mins) Did they just happen to be passing? Warning bells! Price includes "supporting B-roll footage and upload to choice of media. Sirens! It's been upploaded to Youtube, Facebook, Newsbout and Breitbart. Sirens and flashing lights! The incident doesn't get a mention in either, the Caerphilly Observer or The South Wales Echo, the two leading newspapers for the area. Sirens, flashing lights and warning bells! Even UKIP Wales doesn't give it a mention on their website.

Back to square one, Eggy. I've just discovered that Bebside Furnace and Bebside Colliery were part of the Cowpen enumeration district until they changed to the Bebside district some time prior to the 1911 census! I've found them now. However, within the Cowpen district, Bebside Furnace lies in 3 different registration districts. This is a bit like doing a jig-saw puzzle without the picture on the box lid and just to make it a bit more 'challenging' the pieces aren't all in the same room let alone on the same table! Shame on those who give up easily! I'll report back in another week or so but until then be assured that my theory on Paradise and Wood Row was totally wrong but still holds strong for Brick Row. Still haven't found Purvis Row!

I forgot to mention, I couldn't find a Purvis Row in Bebside or Bebside Furnace either.

I think I may have cracked it, Eggy. What we see in that picture, if my search has lead me in the right direction, is: The row to the far left is Brick Row. The row, barely visible except for its chimneys, is Sea View. The row of rooftops almost on the horizon and at right angles to Sea View, is 'Paradise Row'. If you look at any map after 1901 and imagine the view from half way down the Furnace bank, the view above is what you would see. Even the row in front of Sea View is mapped together with the two gable ends of buildings to its fore. However, I now believe that 'Paradise Row' was better known as 'Wood Row'. The name Wood Row does not appear on any maps I've seen but equally, the name 'Paradise Row' does not appear in any census summary books, going back as far as 1871. The name 'Wood Row' appears in the schedules exactly before Sea View - its neighbour.,and has 15 dwellings, as does' Paradise Row' on the maps. As for Brick Row. It first appears in the 1901 census listed between West Row (Bebside) and Sea View (Bebside Furnace), being the first row encountered after the walk from Bebside. The enumerators worked very methodically. It must have been built at some time between 1891 and 1901 and the only building to appear on maps at this time is the row running parallel to Sea View. Interestingly, the enumerator writes in the summary book "Brick Row or New Row, Sea View". The names he gives are in themselves quite revealing. Wood Row, may well have been built of wood, as were the first miner's houses at Netherton. The new row, was given the name Brick Row for obvious reasons and some residents probably called it Sea View as it was on the same road. Many other roads in the Bebside area, Front Street, West Row etc., have housing on both sides - even numbers on one, odd numbers on the other. The adress, however, is the same on both sides. Another interesting find is that the 1901 census summary book lists Sea View nrs. 1-6 and adjoining them we have Stone Row back and Stone Row front. On the 1938 map (I think it was 1938).

Thanks, Eggy. I've seen these articles but they give no information as to the whereabouts of Brick Row. I'm in the process of doing a round of the streets in Bebside and Bebside Furnace on the 1911 census. I've found Brick Row but haven't been able to place it on a map as yet. I'll keep looking. You don't happen to know, which of your yellow stars on the map relates to which street by any chance?

Hi Eggy. Thanks for having a look at this. I haven't looked at this map but I have looked at http://maps.nls.uk/view/91629905 from 1948 and there the B1330 (Road, Ministry of Transport, class 2 according to the key) goes straight through between the two rows of houses. I've also looked at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/420220/582062/10/100708 where it's marked even more clearly with B1330 written exactly between the two rows. Brick Row, I haven't found on any map but I see from a marriage certificate that it existed in 1925.

On old maps there is a 'Paradise Row' running almost parallel to the river. At right angles to this, is another row 'Stone Row'. On later maps and parallel to Stone Row is a third row (the B1330 runs between these two rows). The third row seems to have been built on to at some point, making it the longest and therefore, presumably, housing most families. Does anybody know the name of this row? Brick Row is one suggestion. I know there were at least 14 houses on Brick Row, possibly more. On seeing this list I'm wondering about Purvis Row or Old Gate - both have lots of residents. Also, does anybody know what happened to Paradise Row? It's not on the list from 1940-1952

Thanks for that information, HPW! I, naturally, thought it referred to the pit heap. Mind you, I've always thought a "tippler" was something to do with alcoholic beverages. Just shows how wrong you can be!

Online Bayardm. Ancestry .com's archive. 1911 is a great year as all census documents are archived including the handwritten census forms for every household. The other years it's only the register that's archived.