Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)

11 hours ago, Christopher Doyle said:

What?

You really think you should vote blindly, without understanding any facts, lead on by fiction and propaganda, for something you understand nothing about, rather than accepting you don't understand what the hell is going on and staying out of the whole thing?
 

Oh to be back in a pub on a Friday (or any night really), having a couple of pints, with Bedlington friends, and being able to see the faces and expressions of the people you are discussing current events with. For me you can learn more about a person in an evening over a pint than you can attempting to interpret the true meaning of that persons written words on social media sites. Putting to right, depending on how many pints one has consumed, the country; the world, and even more importantly explaining how, if you were manager, you would guide NUFC to success  - one day Malcolm, it will happen. One might even be tempted to partake in some unhealthy food that leaves you, and your clothes, smelling of that aroma, blended majestically with the beer so that when you arrive home your partner finds you irresistible and you are forced to make passionate love for hours then drift off into a sound and rewarding sleep knowing that in one evening you have accomplished more than the government have managed in their term of office and when you awake in the morning the one thing you are certain of - next Friday you will do the same again!

 I will try and explain, without the aid of alcohol, what I mean :-

I vote in General Elections, local government elections and referendums.

Do I fully understand what the party mandate I am voting for, or the consequences of my vote will have?

Simple answer = No but I am entitled to vote and, like (in my opinion) the majority of the electorate (in my opinion) I understand basic economics but do not have any in depth knowledge that would enable me to categorically say a policy is right or wrong, I will use that vote.

Am I totally blind to what the hell is going on? No

Is every, or even any, speech you here by a politician, or Mayor or local government officer etc. etc. the truth or is it a prepared speech to say the right things?

Would we prefer it if every time a speech was made it was 'Doom & Gloom' or do we prefer them to be positive?

Do we have to listen to them?

When a party political broadcast comes on after the evening news do we have to listen to them?

The list could go on, and on and on. If only I had done a Foxy and stayed out of it.

I am now imagining the taste of that pint of Sharps Doom Bar as I pause to refresh the pallet - even typing the words makes me thirsty.

I Remain, even though I don't full understand, yours sincerely

Eggy

ps. and I won't Submit Reply and then go back and check and edit. But happy to be put right if we ever meet over a pint.  

And now the end is nigh...................... has old blue eyes threegee convinced you?

Take a pinch of Gove man                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Wrap it up in Osborne                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Add a touch of Johnson                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 And a little bitty bit of blue Cameron boy

Curly Corben kinkies                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Mixed with liberal orange policies                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you lump it all together                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           Well, you got a recipe for a get along scene                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, Oh what a beautiful dream                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       If it could only come true, you know, you know

What we need is a great big melting pot

Big enough to take the EU and all it's got

And keep it stirring for threegee years or more

And turn out confused coloured people by the score

I Remain yours, truly

Eggy

11 hours ago, threegee said:

 

I was actually quite interested when you posted the video, and thought there might be a new angle or two, but sadly it's all just regurgitated, unimaginative, and self-serving EU drivel.

Fortunately I haven't listened to all the other regurgitated, unimaginative, and self serving EU drive that has been posted and as like Chris D. says :- 

13 hours ago, Christopher Doyle said:

I honestly and truly believe it won't make a single bit of difference if I vote or not.

I have no reliable way of knowing the outcome of either vote, (I certainly don't believe any of the drivel spouted on the TV and newspapers and online and in leaflets posted through my door.) and therefore don't have the relevant facts I need to make an informed decision.

How can I say this?
Past experience. Too many times have these people told me things will happen when they get in office, then brought up an excuse as to why it didn't. (I don't have any examples, and no longer care enough to research any. We all know its true.) and then just go on to do whatever the hell they like anyway for the next 4 years.

These same people are now trying to get me to decide if we should be in or out, and spouting all this bullshit at me based on their own opinion and facts that can be written several ways to back up several completely different stories, and I've had enough of it. And frankly so have many MANY other people.

I'm not voting because I honestly couldn't care less if we are in or out (Even though in the poll above I voted to leave. If a gun was to my head, that would be what I voted)
And frankly, until they put a "None of the above" on the ballot papers during the elections, I refuse to be a part of it.

I'm just going to do what the rest of the masses are doing, and refusing to turn up until I have an option worth voting for.
Why else is there such a poor turnout? Those who want to make a difference are simply voting for the opposite party of the one they definitely DON'T want in, and where is the use in that?

All that happens then is the 2 losing parties (by overall vote) club together to become a party that wasn't on the ballot paper, wasn't voted for, and wasn't wanted.

When shit like that can happen, where is the point in a majority system?

(Sorry I brought up elections in an "In Out" vote discussion, but it was relevant as to my reasoning.)

If the country turns to shit because I got to a point where I refuse to care, and didn't vote, I don't see that as my failing, I see it as a failing of the system.

I have matured into a caring responsible adult my views on voting, in whatever poll; election etc. etc. have allowed me to cast my vote not caring of the outcome. My past experience has taught me to relax in my declining years knowing that the outcome will be managed by many people, hopefully from different walks of life, that the majority will work as hard as they can to achieve what they believe in. Unfortunately we can't stop those with their head up their own orifice that join political groups to try and manipulate legislation to suite their own ends (and that's just my opinion, not something to debate).

However one point of Chris D's I disagree with is the one of not voting. We may feel that, it makes no difference or we don't understand or what does it matter but it's there to use and in my opinion if you don't use your vote then don't complain. Register for postal voting, it's simple and you don't have to drag yourself out of the house, on that one day, to do it. Whilst out for a casual drive, trip to the pub, or out exercising your pet in the environment it was created for you can even pull up close to a post box and pop it in. I hand mine to the wife and she does the leg work. n

I Remain yours forever.

Eggy       

Lets be Frank about this :-

And now, the end is near; And so I face the final curtain. My friend, I'll say it clear, I'll state my case, of which I'm certain.

I've lived a life that's full. I've traveled each and every highway; And more, much more than this,

I did it my way.

Regrets, I've had a few; But then again, too few to mention. I did what I had to do And saw it through without exemption.

I planned each charted course; Each careful step along the byway, And more, much more than this, I did it my way.

Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew When I bit off more than I could chew. But through it all, when there was doubt, 

I ate it up and spit it out. I faced it all and I stood tall; 

And did it my way.

I've loved, I've laughed and cried. I've had my fill; my share of losing. And now, as tears subside, I find it all so amusing.

To think I did all that; And may I say - not in a shy way, "Oh no, oh no not me,

I did it my way".

For what is a man (or a Canny Lass), what has he/she got? If not himself/herself, then he/she has naught. To say the things he/she truly feels; 

And not the words of one who kneels.The record shows I took the blows -

And did it my way! Yes, it was my way.

The poll says - Remain = 2, Brexit = 15

Proffesor Michael Dougan's says (and if the Brexit 15 can't stand to listen to another 24 mins of this Remain or Brexit debate vote then skip to 10mins 40secs and open your minds to the next 20 secs) - do it his way

9 adults; five children and two dogs were noticed drifting, in a fiber glass boat without no oars, up the river Blyth on today's high tide. It is believed they were welcomed into the community group and they have declared their vote :-

38 minutes ago, stevenmcvey963 said:

there's always been nice houses down there,they aren't doing any harm and if a few trees have to come down to allow someone to live in a nice place then so be it,now you can say,what's it got to do with you ,you don't live hear anymore and you'd be right but I was delivering newspapers to the big houses down there 45 yrs ago,it was a nice place then and I'm sure It'll still be a nice place with a few more houses.

When I first saw these applications I was thinking on the same lines as you, stevenmcvey963,  plenty space for a couple of builds on existing owners land that I assumed would not be part of the 2007 adopted Bedlington Country Park. Always difficult, from the outside, to see what way NCC would go with these planning applications. I see from the refusal statement the land is within the adopted park :-

Application No. 16/00565/FUL & Application No. 16/00566/FUL Schedule of Reasons for Refusal

1. The site is located outside of any settlement limit identified within the Wansbeck District Local Plan, Adopted July 2007. It lies within the open countryside and would represent an isolated new dwelling in the countryside which would not satisfy one of the "special circumstances" set out in the National Planning Policy Framework. The principle of new build housing on this site would be contrary to the NPPF and Wansbeck Local Plan Policies GP1 and H3.

2. The application site lies in an unsustainable location with no services or facilities. The proposal would therefore not promote a sustainable form of development in a rural area, contrary to the general provisions of the National Planning Policy Framework at paragraph 55. There is not considered to be any demonstrated need, overriding justification or other material considerations that would justify the construction of a new dwelling in this unsustainable location.

3. The application site lies in the Bedlington Country Park, identified as OS2 in Appendix REC1 Schedule of open spaces of the Wansbeck District Local Plan, Adopted July 2007. Local Plan Policy REC1 does not allow development on a designated unless the predominantly open character is maintained or the development is incidental and beneficial to the recreational or amenity use of the land. The proposal has not satisfactorily demonstrated that these criteria have been met and therefore fails to accord with Wansbeck Local Plan Policy REC1.

4. The proposed dwelling would represent an incongruous and obtrusive built form which would have a detrimental impact upon the character, landscape and setting of this particular part of the countryside. The proposal would therefore not accord with Local Plan Policies GP5 and GP30, or the National Planning Policy Framework.

Since the first rush, 15/06/2016, to use the poll  = 90% Brexit & 10% Remain I see the momentum, 16/06/2016, is now with the Remain supporters = 83.33% Brexit & 16.66% Remain.

So as there will be approx 9.8% compound increase in people voting over the remaining 4 days the Seghill forecast is that when the polls close it will be 47.25% Brexit & 52.25% Remain.

Extract from http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/Highways/Roads/Lights.aspx

We’re modernising street lighting in Northumberland by investing £25 million in new technologies. Nearly 17,000 lampposts will be replaced and all street lights will be fitted with new LED lights.

Work began this spring on an ambitious £25 million project to modernise all street lights in Northumberland during the next three years.

The council’s appointed contractor, Galliford Try, will be replacing about 29,000 lights with eco-friendly lighting emitting diode (LED) technology. Old concrete and steel columns will also be replaced by steel ones.

Benefits of LED lighting

LED lights will reduce energy costs by more than 60% and ultimately save about £300,000 per year. The cost of maintenance should also decrease by 60%.

The fittings will emit a whiter light, making street lighting appear brighter.

The project is being funded by an Invest to Save initiative, where the funding will be repaid within 25 years from the anticipated budget savings of about £300,000 a year.

Your questions answered

When is this work going to take place?
Work started in March 2015 in the southeast of the county and will continue for three years.

How much notice will I receive if works are to be carried out in my street?
You will receive a reminder postcard a couple of weeks before work begins. Look out for the notification boards placed around lighting columns to let you know our contractor will begin work in your area shortly.

How long will the workmen be in my road?
For a straightforward replacement of lanterns, the works should take about 20 minutes per street light to complete. Occasionally the electricity supply to the street light will need to be disconnected and reconnected, which will take longer.

Please be reassured the old street light will remain in place and lit until the electricity supply can be switched across to the new LED light.

Will the workmen require access to my property?
Our operatives do not require access to you property. Anybody claiming to need access could be a bogus caller.

How many lights are there in Northumberland?
We currently maintain:

46,531 street lighting columns (or lampposts)

2,625 illuminated traffic signs

1,360 illuminated bollards

What is the new technology?
LEDs give the ability to vary lighting levels to control energy consumption.

What are the benefits?
LED street lights typically use around half the amount of energy used by existing street lights in Northumberland. With the new technology lasting longer, there will only be minimal maintenance required.

How much money and carbon will we save?
On completion, and after dealing with the loan repayment, it is hoped we will save about £300,000 per year. The carbon footprint of the street lighting stock will reduce by more than 5,000 tons of carbon dioxide.

Will the lampposts be painted?
Our plan is to seek views on the various colours to be used in and around town centres and areas of special interest. This may involve additional costs to the relevant town or parish council.

My street seems darker since the fitting of the LED lights. Why is this?
When lighting with white lights, the lighting levels need to be slightly reduced to prevent glare or dazzle. The LED lights are also manufactured and fitted to help reduce light pollution, ensuring footpaths and roads are well lit but avoiding an intrusion of light into people’s homes and gardens.

The sole function of the street lighting is to light the highway to ensure the council meets its duty of care to road and footpath users.

My street seems to be more brightly lit. Why is this?
Some streets in Northumberland still have the old lighting type, which doesn’t meet current lighting standards. Because of this, they require replacing to bring them up to recommended standards.

How will the new lights affect street safety?
LED lights will help support better crime detection as it improves images captured at night from CCTV, as well as allowing clothing colours and car registration numbers to be more easily identified. This will make our streets safer and help in giving a more accurate description to police.

If the council wants to save money, why doesn’t it look at turning the lights down during the night when there are fewer people and vehicles around?
The new LED lights will be fitted with technology that enables the council to ‘dim’ street lighting at certain times. Many local authorities now use this method or even ‘part-night lighting,’ where they turn lights off on certain roads between midnight and 6am.

In Northumberland, we want to ensure roads remain lit at all times. However, in order to ensure maximum savings, we will be looking at dimming the LED lights between midnight and 6am.

How can we let the council know our views on the project?
Contacting the project manager, Gavin Barlow, on 01670 622 980 or by email at gavin.barlow@northumberland.gov.uk
How do I let the council know what I thought of the work once it is finished?
You will receive a card though your letterbox, asking you to feedback any comments – positive or negative - about how the work was carried out in your street.

You can also contact project manager Gavin Barlow on 01670 622 980 or by email at gavin.barlow@northumberland.gov.uk

How to pose with statues :-

2 hours ago, Andy (4G) said:

Yes, anybody can create a poll. On the new topic page there is a tab where you can add polls.

Cheers Andy. I must have been really single minded when I have created any new topic not to have seen, and played with, that feature! 

4 hours ago, Andy (4G) said:

I added a proper poll

Is adding a 'proper poll' something the bog standard Members can do or is this facility restricted to Administrators Pinching my idea?

4 hours ago, threegee said:

Why remain Eggy?! Have you caught a bad case of "let's all hold hands and make Europe a better place"?  That only works if you are on the Euro Gravy Train, and that particular service doesn't run through the North East and never will.

Either

It's all based on your (threegee) arguments to Brexit that I Remain - discuss

or

On 05/31/2016 at 20:25, on the topic 'Brexit : Why TTIP matters, Eggy said 

Do we vote for what benefits the nation or what benefits our self?

So if one party says -  'vote on our side' we should vote on their side but if the other party says - 'no they are wrong' we should vote for the other party.

If the other party then counters the argument to vote for the other party should we vote for the alternative?

If there isn't an alternative then do we hire a white campaign bus and convince the undecided to surrender?

If all the old codgers at the club are content with their final lot and the only time this referendum comes up is when when one old codger says  - 'ee uu lot, wi divin't want a discussion in here aboot referendun. When your postal votes arrive, dig oot that lucky coin and decide - heads for one party and tails for the other. Spin the coin, decision made.  

I'm singing and dancing in the rain, doo be do do, do be doobe dodo,   doo be do do, do be doobe dodo,  doo be do do, do be doobe dodo,  .................. 

Brexit

Remain

No need for a 'Reply' or 'Comment', just select the 'Like this' tag  in the Remain or Brexit comment for our own Straw Poll.

2 hours ago, mercuryg said:

Someone posted it on a Facebook page. Did you manage to see it?

Cheers Mercury - I had seen some of the times posted on FB but with nothing to back them up so I didn't pass those time on. 

I thought you must have found a site that was publishing, regardless of the risk of trespassing train spotters! 

Mercury - where did you get the timetable? I was trying to find the times it was passing through our area, for a friend, and all the websites I found had the same comment :- 

Train Timings

Due to the on going issues with trespassers actual timings will only be issued to passengers travelling

Middle Remove 1959 - A Bill Lewis on the Sixtownships site posted :- 'No.4 - Jackie Henderson. No.27 - Wendy Fox. No.30 - Angela Gregg. No.37 - Vicky Elliott, No. 38 - Winifred Vince. This is according to my cousin Michael Mills, No. 9 on the photo, and friend Tom Logan, No. 22'

Only one left - No 28 to identify.

Photo updated and now added to the 'Westridge School - End of term class photos' album in the Gallery.

On 6/7/2016 at 22:55, Canny lass said:

Hi Eggy. Thanks for having a look at this. I haven't looked at this map but I have looked at http://maps.nls.uk/view/91629905 from 1948 and there the B1330 (Road, Ministry of Transport, class 2 according to the key) goes straight through between the two rows of houses.

I've also looked at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/420220/582062/10/100708 where it's marked even more clearly with B1330 written exactly between the two rows.

Brick Row, I haven't found on any map but I see from a marriage certificate that it existed in 1925.

That old-maps site has many more maps from the different eras than the National Library of Scotland but I get the impression the old mapmaker must have spent some time in the Bebside Inn & The Rose and Crown? Paradise Row appears to be the only row where the name doesn't change through time.

I couldn't find a Brick row either. Only one close was a Back Row (with a Front Row in front of it) but that was across the river on the Bedlington side at the top of the Furnace bank.

I have 'book marked' the old-maps site for future reference. 

Both Planning Applications - updated 31/05/2016 :-

Couldn't find any evidence of a Brick Row.

Could probably come up with a Stephen Fry type 'dubious theory' on Paradise Row, Stone Row, Back Stone Row & Sea View based on how things changed within the publications of the 1897 - 1922 - 1937 & 1959 maps but it's facts we need.

No facts iro the buildings come with this, but have you seen this c1930 photo (from one of Evan Martins books) of the Furnace Bridge area that in the background shows the Bebside rows you are looking into? 

2 hours ago, Canny lass said:

Thanks, Eggy. I've seen these articles but they give no information as to the whereabouts of Brick Row. I'm in the process of doing a round of the streets in Bebside and Bebside Furnace on the 1911 census. I've found Brick Row but haven't been able to place it on a map as yet. I'll keep looking. You don't happen to know, which of your yellow stars on the map relates to which street by any chance?

Unfortunately not. 

Canny Lass - are you using 'findmypast'? I am not registered on this site (or any genealogy site) so can't get access to the newspaper article referenced on this site :-

11 hours ago, Canny lass said:

 goes straight through between the two rows of houses.

 

Your right, I was using Google, it's way out showing the B1330 as Red Row but the B1331 as Steadlane up to Vulcan Place. 

I must start using road numbers rather than pubs when giving directions! 

Canny Lass - what map are you looking at, the B1330 is further north, at Red Row on the way to Amble, on all the maps I look at.

Are you looking at the maps on :- http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=16&lat=55.1335&lon=-1.5654&layers=39&b=1&point=55.1326,-1.5691 - 1858 through to 1947?

I always thought Reedy's list covers the rows, on the Bebside side of the river,between the Furnace Bridge and heading East to the railway bridge. 

I know that doesn't help with - 'What happened to Paradise Row?' and I doubt there is any details on-line, but I will have a search, or two. 

Reedy - update to your dad's list - The Families from Bedside Furnance 1940-1952 -  from a Bygone Bedlington member :-

'Bridge House was divided into two dwellings the downstairs was occupied by Mrs Munley and daughter Margaret and Mr Harrison.The upstairs was occupied by my wifes parents Mr.R.Parker and Mrs Queenie Parker from Early 1930s to 1944 after which time they moved to 18 Back Stone Row living between Mr.Stan Brooks and Mr & Mrs Leightley'