UKIP advertising

[pilgrim]

er that should be 500 a week

[Maggie/915]

I guess the jury is out on whether it is town or country life.

There was a joke about people staying in a country house, if it was cold it could be arranged to throw another dog on the bed.

I always like the challenge of dealing with the cold.

Last year we stayed with our daughter in the Pentlands 1000 feet up.

No heating not always water.

There was a great feeling of achievement in dealing with everything that the weather and life can throw at you..

You seem to be doing well pilgrim.

No Southern Softee to use John Shuttleworth's words.

[mercuryg]

I enjoy my stays at the sister's country pile in Lincs, and can see precisely where pilgrim is coming from regards the financial issues. Her house, which is beautiful, in a gorgeous parkland setting and historically very interesting (see my post in the 'Merlins!' thread for the latest updates!) will keep the local builders, plumbers, electricians and craftsmen in work for as long as it stands! My major gripe with the location (just a few miles from Horncastle) is the sheer inability to get anywhere; I'm not one for shops, although of course they are needed once in a while, so I didn't think it would bother me, but the bus service in this rural setting is pretty much non-existent. Put simply, you need a car to get anywhere. The plus side is waking up and drawing the curtains to look down beautiful ancient perfectly planted avenues of trees on two sides, a reminder of when the house was something more grand and socially important. No Aga, I'm afraid, but you can't have it all!

[pilgrim]

A lot of very salient points regarding rural life. With an aging population nationally, but even more so in the rural areas, because of lack of employment and escalating house prices. The gradual withdrawal of services doesn't help. The point about needing a car is very valid, but it's not just one you need for a family. I did notice that an EU (ooo swearing now! but almost back on thread) grant has been made of, I believe, 5p per litre in tax refund on duty on fuel,and although mostly in the Highlands the Bellingham area is going to get it as well. The price of fuel impacts heavily on rural life and of course at 17 year old there is an imperative to pass ones test and have transport or there is no social life (except parents taxi - and it cramps ones style somewhat having mum or dad waiting outside friends houses after a night out). Take into account the cost of passing a test these days then the price of a car, BUT then try and insure a 17 yr old and it becomes even more of a financial burden.

We use mainly wood for fuel which is 'green' and available locally ( although it does require a few days with chainsaw and splitting maul) but also oil for heating and water heating, which is reasonable now but was hideously expensive last year, and dare I say it, coal, yes coal, is prohibitively expensive now as any rational form of fuel!!!!

(pssst Maggie - we have a huge dog as well!!)

We cope now - but I'm 60 this month - how long can I saw wood and keep on top of things??

We are turning the rural areas into a theme park for transient visitors through lack of investment and I see no way out of it.

[pilgrim]

not wanting to overwhelm the thread but had to add -- was out tonight doing charitable things - and saw a herd of wild deer - about 12 in number - that was in a field aside the A1 - now that made living in the wilds all worth it !!! (and we keep a freezer spare for bambi)

[John Fox (foxy)]

Not see any wild deer at this address.

 

 

[Vic Patterson]

These are our regular visitors!

[pilgrim]

Vic - nice pics - where was that?

We had that in the old house and it was magic., but I do have issues with the present thing about Lynx - they are obligatory carnivore predators and the excuse given is that they will cull deer? - noo they will take the easy option and take sheep and lambs as is the nature of things. The landscape and countryside is not 'natural' and hasn't been since those Italian  chappies landed so how can anyone justify re introducing  a thing the size of a boxer dog that cant be controlled. The badger thing is a different issue and is down to an excuse for many years of bad animal husbandry  - as is the avian flu (Jeyes fluid has stopped that for many years so one suspects the management of those that have it) -and then again there is the idea of introducing wolves back into the UK?? How many of us would be happy for our children to go into woodland if that happened - its the same with wild boar -- big horrific nasty things that are really dangerous, and yet we have the dangerous dogs act and various other legislation but none applies to these nor to foxes. I feel that the rural areas are becoming a sort of 'Jurassic  Park' for those that have a self centred motivation and the OOO AHHH visitors

[Vic Patterson]

Pilgrim, that's our front door, the deer roam around town all night and they know who puts food out for them! (my wife does!) we usually get a group of six or seven, it's not a good idea to feed them as it sometimes brings along their predators, cougar, coyotes, red fox and lynx, occasionally wolves.

Not far away (Hinton) they are shooting wolves from helicopters also poisoning them to protect the caribou! just not necessary, the animals around here have their cycles and take care of their own populations.

We also have lots of animals like black and grizzly bears, moose, elk, caribou and wolverine who don't bother anyone, unless you threaten them, especially when they have their young around! their biggest threat is on the highway! ouch!

[John Fox (foxy)]

What happened to the Ukip advertising thread??? 

[mercuryg]

I'll have to get a picture of the deer that feed at the edge of the woods behind my house. They are rather shy, however, and don't much like people. Roe Deer and Muntjac, I believe, medium size and small. We have a proliferation of Red Squirrels, too; pretty little critters with big tails. Love the woods, wonderful place.Lots of trees, you see.

 

"What happened to the Ukip advertising thread???"

 

We found more interestign subjects, Foxy.

Edited March 11, 2015 by mercuryg

[Vic Patterson]

Sorry for the O.T. drift Foxy, lets get back to the original topic. 

[Malcolm Robinson]

Hmmmmmm someone is telling lies..his lips are moving!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49bCQk6nL3Q

[John Fox (foxy)]

 

Sorry for the O.T. drift Foxy, lets get back to the original topic. 

 

  http://t.co/hqsFioObUw

 

Thumbs up Vic,    talk about using tax payers money for political gain.

[pilgrim]

basically I think its cos furry things are more interesting than ukip lol

[threegee]

Hmmmmmm someone is telling lies..his lips are moving! [YouTube Video]

 

The way the salami-slicing EU has always operated - lies and deceit all the way.

 

So... how about a Gestapo too?

 

 

Torquil Dick-Erikson, a legal journalist who has lived in Rome for over 40 years and who has specialised in comparative criminal procedure, points out that Article 6.3 of the Treaty of Velsen allows the Eurogendfor to be deployed in another EU state with the simple agreement of that state. Two months after the signing of that Treaty on 18th October 2007, the Lisbon Treaty was signed on 13th December. This contained a "Solidarity Clause” (Article 222) which introduced substantial changes so that the European Gendarmerie Force can now "assist a Member State in its territory, at the request of its political authorities”. According to Hansard of 11th December 2007, David Miliband, the then Foreign Minister, was asked to "give an undertaking that [the EGF] will never be allowed to operate on British soil”, but as Mr Dick-Erikson says, this undertaking was not given and in fact Mr Miliband confirmed that the force could do so, with the mere "consent” of the government. And, as Mr Dick-Erikson has said, once the Eurogendarmerie are inside the country, no British government can ever order them to leave.

http://www.quarterly-review.org/?p=1198

 

Among the features that make this police hated by many even his powers in some ways seem limitless.

In fact, according to what is stated in its founding treaty under article 21 of the premises, buildings, archives, documents, computer files, records and movies owned weapon shall be held inviolable; Article .22 instead provides immunity from measures of execution of the judicial authority of individual nation states, extended to the property and the capital of the body of gendarmerie, while Article .23 provides that communications can not be intercepted, the arrangement number 28 announces that the signatory countries, to waive all claims compensation for damages caused to property during the preparation or execution of transactions, compensation will not be required even in case of injury or death of personnel Eurogendfor.

Article 29 is instead determined that the staff members of Eurogendfor will not suffer any proceedings concerning the execution of a judgment against them in the host State in the receiving State or in a case connected to the fulfillment of their service.

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/13357

 

Ah, yes, "a full in/out referendum if there is any proposed transfer of power".  But not of course the transfers of power that are enacted without anyone noticing.

 

How can the UK public be so mind-numbingly gullible, and would our parent's and their parent's generations have been taken in by this?  Somehow I think not. There has to be a prima facie case here for high treason against many of our politicos.  I do hope I'm right in believing that it's the one thing the death penalty still applies to.  Because, facing a dangling noose is the only prospect we've got that Nick Clegg etc. will ever be persuaded to tell the truth about anything!

[Smudgeinthebudge]

True Ukip policy coming out there? Death penalty wish for politicians that oppose them. This reminds me of something, I can't think what, that previous generations in this country fought against

[threegee]

True Ukip policy coming out there? Death penalty wish for politicians that oppose them. This reminds me of something, I can't think what, that previous generations in this country fought against

 

Amazing how any Ukip voter saying anything automatically becomes party policy. Is the same principal applied to other parties? Is anyone concerned for the Queen because many Labour supporters (including Sym) want her deposed?

 

The logical gymnastics the left goes through to put words into other people's mouths is amazing. Like for instance NF pointing out the traffic jams on the motorway were an obvious consequence of a country that was seriously under-invested in infrastructure given its population ambitions, being contorted into a rant against immigrants. He never said anything of the sort - and neither for that matter did I!  You own that illogical extension not me - and it's packaged with the standard hint of Reductio ad Hitlerum.

 

AAMOF I'm seriously against the death penalty for anything.  Too many past mistakes by our judiciary for one thing.  What I said was the prospect not the enactment.  And, it's not a matter of disagreement,  it's the reality that the lying toads are very likely guilty of high treason by the standards of our existing law. That law that applies to you and me, and that will be invoked when it suits the establishment, but law that doesn't apply to the Westminster elites - who clearly consider themselves above it!

 

Now please tell everyone why you might suppose that Clegg etc. are not guilty of high treason?  That could take the form of some logical reasons as to why we are involved in the EU, and explaining what democratic mandate our politicos have for constantly subverting our legal rights and constitution (whilst lying to us that this isn't in fact happening).

[Symptoms]

"... the Queen because many Labour supporters (including Sym) want her deposed?" 

 

Remember the Romanovs in Ekaterinburg?

[Smudgeinthebudge]

A Ukip voter didn't say something. He published it on a web forum. I'm sure you would want to mention it a Labour voter posted that the policies of Uncle Joe or Pol Pot were worth supporting.

The Queen. To misquote Monty Python "I never voted for herâ€.  I am concerned  for the Queen as she is an elderly human being but just because her ancestors could swing a sword harder than mine doesn't give her a mandate to rule. Are you implying that hereditary monarchy is right because of past use of force i.e. Might is right.

I never attempted to put words into other peoples mouths, I only stated my own opinion. I do not try to speak for other people. What has the NF (National front) having an opinion on motorway traffic got to do with any of this. (only joking)

Has little Nige not, in the last few days said something about scrapping laws against racism in the workplace, but I'm sure you will put me right on that score. 

Hitler - Yeah. He did have a big impact on the twentieth century. Pity that some in this country try to use similar tactics ad nauseam.

The death penalty - Wahoo! We agree on something.

I agree with you again in the fact that you did say prospects, because I cannot be bothered to argue semantics

As for telling everyone why I don't think Clegg etc are not guilty of high treason It's a simple matter of defining what high treason is. Under the law of the United Kingdom high treason is the crime of disloyalty to the Crown. Offences constituting high treason include plotting the murder of the sovereign; committing adultery with the sovereign's consort, with the sovereign's eldest unmarried daughter, or with the wife of the heir to the throne; levying war against the sovereign and adhering to the sovereign's enemies, giving them aid or comfort; and attempting to undermine the lawfully established line of sucession. I think under this law the majority of people in this country would be guilty at one time or another and we already had that argument when we chopped off Charles 2^nd's head

However I am not a fan of politicians in general because, as an Anarcho-syndicalist, I believe that anyone seeking power over other people should automatically not be allowed to have any. On the same vein I don't think anyone has a right to rule me and whether they do it from Brussels or Westminster or Ashington I do not care as long as they leave me alone.

[threegee]

"A Ukip voter didn't say something. He published it on a web forum."  Ah, yes, playing semantics!

 

I'm not a monarchist, and I suspect they are a very depleted breed these days.  Though - like most I'd suggest - I see no advantage in other than a little tweaking to the existing order.  Too many, and too many hangers on seems to be the general view. But, it's one the royals get and adjustments to accord with public opinion are constantly being made.  They always have, and that's why they are still there. The alternatives to a titular monarch don't look too appetising.  I'd suggest that's why Australia and Canada have come to more or less a similar conclusion, excepting that they get theirs on the very cheap - always a good proposition, eh Scotland?

 

Let's skip the archaic definitions of treason and look at a transatlantic one (complete with transatlantic spelling).
 

1.  the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.

2.  a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.

3.  the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

 

Taking the 21st century definition of sovereign and sovereignty I think that pretty much describes what our politicos have been up to.

 

Or, let's take the Wikipedia one:

 

According to the law in force, it is treason felony to "compass, imagine, invent, devise, or intend":

• to deprive the sovereign of the Crown,
• to levy war against the sovereign "in order by force or constraint to compel her to change her measures or counsels, or in order to put any force or constraint upon or in order to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament", or
• to "move or stir" any foreigner to invade the United Kingdom or any other country belonging to the sovereign.

 

Let's look at what the last person charged with treason got up to:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Joyce

 

Attorney General, Sir Hartley Shawcross, successfully argued that Joyce's possession of a British passport, even though he had mis-stated his nationality to get it, entitled him (until it expired) to British diplomatic protection in Germany and therefore he owed allegiance to the king at the time he commenced working for the Germans. It was on this basis that Joyce was convicted of the third charge and sentenced to death on 19 September 1945.

 

Possibly the only person in British history to be convicted of any serious offence because a document - that he wasn't entitled to anyway - was judged not to have expired, though it actually had!  Compare and contrast with the real treasonous acts of the present lot!

 

"I do not care as long as they leave me alone"  What we all wish for, but they can't and they won't!  In fact with the EU we have uber bureaucracy that believes it has a right to intrude on every aspect of our lives by diktat.  Legislation isn't driven by any obvious need, but at the whim of unelected mandarins who believe that they can anticipate what is best for us - post-democracy!  There's no future opt out possible, and no leave me alone, if you foolishly sit there and allow it to happen.

[Tonyp]

They don't want to be in Europe but they like taking jollies from them mmm

[threegee]

Our net contribution to the EU graft machine is £40,000 for every minute, of every hour, of every day, of every year, for which we get precisely nothing - except told how to run our country in ways which aren't in our own best interests.

 

LabLibCon all have their noses firmly in the EU graft trough, so why do you have a problem with the fact that the party which British people democratically put there to represent them should claim their "fair" share of the EU booty, and use it in order to defeat the very system which promotes this waste?  Go vent your disgust at Labour and Lib Dem who want to keep the payola flowing, and not a party working to get us out of this ASAP!

 

How about a little bet that when Nick Clegg gets chucked out by the Sheffield electors and/or then loses his position as LD leader to Tim Farron he'll be provided with a ridiculously overpaid EU non-job (and a fat unearned pension) within two years.  The Fourth Reich looks after its quislings, and the ruling elites look after their own, but only Ukip is committed to redressing the balance in favour of ordinary working people!

[mercuryg]

"Our net contribution to the EU graft machine is £40,000 for every minute, of every hour, of every day, of every year,"

 

While in no way an EU apologist I do like to see a fair representation of the facts, and I don't believe this to be one. According to figures from 2014 our net contribution (the figure after we take into account the £6.5bn that came our way) amounted to £4.7bn, which doesn't amount to £40k per minute per year in any way, shape or form. By my reckoning, minutes in year x 40k is nearer 21bn.

 

"...for which we get precisely nothing..."

 

Far from the truth. This country may be hamstrung by some odd rules, regulations and laws that have been passed from Brussels, but where do you think that £6.5bn goes? Agriculture is a major beneficiary of EU funds, roads and infrastructure in many cities and town across the UK have benefited from it, industrial projects have recieved large wedges of EU funding, small businesses have also been beneficiaries - this is not 'precisely nothing' and should not be represented as such.

 

I'm on the fence regards EU membership, but actually leaning slightly towards it being a good thing.

[Malcolm Robinson]

Try getting some EU funding merc. Oh and how come I see little communities across the water awash with EU funding, well because the EU doesn't like our LEPs they much perfer a 'prefecture' heading up their investments. For me the choice is simple, either go the whole hog and lets have a United States of Europe or lets get out. Where we are (have been led) now is untenable!