Red Row

[7RIrF]

Hello,

Perhaps an obvious/stupid question, but could anyone tell me what was "Red Row"? as if simply a colliery row in Bedlington Station, why is it built so far out from Bedlington Station... why did they chose that spot, to the North of Bedlington Station, east of Barrington and south of Stakeford and Bomarsund

On maps like the one attached,  it is written in bold as if it is a village... is it a village? I don't think it had a colliery.

James

 

[Canny lass]

@7RlrF Hello James and welcome to the forum. On this site there is no such thing as a stupid question. You asked about Red Row and wondered if it was a village.

In 1866 Red Row was, literally, no more than a row of houses, presumably red and so named because they were, again presumably, made of red brick.

 

[Canny lass]

Sorry James! The complete text didn't survive my pasting technique. Here's the rest of it:

At that time there was no great need of any specific address as the postal service was still in its infancy. Bedlingtonshire abounds with such descriptive names: Wood Row, Stone Row, Brick Row, to name but a few. The advent of steam powered industry brought with it a huge demand for coal and both land- and mine owners in Bedlingtonshire weren't slow to realize that they were sitting on a fortune in untapped reserves of the black stuff. New pits were opened, new seams were opened in old pits and there was a great migration of people into the area giving rise to an urgent need for housing. The 1871 census records the "new houses built recently" - those that line the main Bedlington to Stakeford road.The name Red Row then became synonymous with all of these houses even though they now more resembled a village than a simple row of houses..

 

You say, quite rightly, that Red Row had no colliery. However, Red Row is no more than 1½ miles from Bedlington A pit, and Barrington Colliery had two pits within an even shorter walking distance of Red Row's houses: the Henry pit ½ mile to the south east and the Hannah pit 3/4 mile to the north. They later had a third, the Frances pit, adjacent to the Hannah pit which was closed then reopened to meet the demand for coal, so there was no shortage of work. The four original houses of Red Row were solely occupied in 1866 by coal miners and 95 % of the new houses in 1871 were also occupied by coal miners or other pit-workers. Given the type of occupant and Red Row's proximity to the Barrington Colliery pits I'd put a pound or two on those houses being built/owned by Barrington Colliery. However, that's just speculation on my part, but it would answer your question as to why the houses weren't built nearer to Bedlington station. Barrington Colliery would probably not have had any land rights south of the railway line as it was situated in the West Sleekburn township of Bedlingtonshire.

 

Hope this answers some of your questions.

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

@7RIrF & @Canny lass Red Row - we played there as kids as one of the pupis. Ronnie Phillips (opr Phillipson) lived in the Row when we were at Barrington County primary School - 1953 to 1960. I think all the families were moved out in the early 1960's  as I remember we used to play in the derelict houses = jumping out of the upstairs windows into the garden area. 

Think there is a photo of the row in one of the Evan Martin books on Bedlington/Barrington. The photo is from when you go over the bridge on Stakeford Row that now leads on to Red Row and part of the new housing estate that is built there is called Red Row Court.

Edited January 29 by Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)

[7RIrF]

Thank you both, definitely clears it up!

I am right in saying Hannah pit became Bomarsund pit? why was that? Did Barrington Colliery continue to own Bomarsund pit after the name change?

I agree that Red Row was probably built by Barrington Colliery due to it proximity, but if so, why not just build it next to the main lot of Barrington Rows beside Henry pit?

James

Edited January 29 by 7RIrF

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

Photo with info from Evan Martin's book - The Shire of Bedlington in old picture postcards' :-

 

[Canny lass]

20 hours ago, 7RIrF said:

am right in saying Hannah pit became Bomarsund pit? why was that? Did Barrington Colliery continue to own Bomarsund pit after the name change?

The Hannah pit and Bomarsund pit were two quite separate entities. The Hannah, opened in 1854, was still being worked up until 1927 when it finally closed but the Bomarsund pit was opened prior to that in 1910 and had nothing to do with Barrington colliery. It was owned and worked by Bedlington Colliery. I think, but don't quote me, its official title was Bedlington F pit.

20 hours ago, 7RIrF said:

I agree that Red Row was probably built by Barrington Colliery due to it proximity, but if so, why not just build it next to the main lot of Barrington Rows beside Henry pit?

There's no way of knowing why Red Row was built where it was, but it may have had something to do with killing two birds with one stone - housing for both the Hannah and the Henry at relatively equal distance from the two.

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

Durham Mining Museum A to Z of Northumberland & Durham pits :-

http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/index_a.htm

 

[Canny lass]

I haven't been ale to access dmm for well over a year. Any attempt just gives this message. Any idea what it means?

 

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

12 hours ago, Canny lass said:

I haven't been ale to access dmm for well over a year. Any attempt just gives this message. Any idea what it means?

 

@Canny lass the DMM site is a site that is recognised by browsers or the Security Software you have on your device as 'Not Secure' and that's why you get the 403 error. 

My security software - Malwarebytes warns you that a site is not secure and gives you the option to 'contnue' or 'block access' to the site. As I said 'continue' for access to DMM my Secrity Software saved that response for the DMM site and I am nolonger asked the question when I access DMM.

There used to be 'padlock' logo at the start of a 'secure' site name but that appears to have changed to awhat looks like a couple of Keys but when you click on the Keys the infois displayed.

DMM site with 'Not Secure' at begining :-

Amazon uk site with 'Keys' :-   

[7RIrF]

22 hours ago, Canny lass said:

The Hannah pit and Bomarsund pit were two quite separate entities. The Hannah, opened in 1854, was still being worked up until 1927 when it finally closed but the Bomarsund pit was opened prior to that in 1910 and had nothing to do with Barrington colliery. It was owned and worked by Bedlington Colliery. I think, but don't quote me, its official title was Bedlington F pit.

There's no way of knowing why Red Row was built where it was, but it may have had something to do with killing two birds with one stone - housing for both the Hannah and the Henry at relatively equal distance from the two.

They appear on the map to be the same thing with a different name... exact same spot, up the road from Red Row... it's the exact same Colliery, no?                                "Hannah Pit"

1866:

1924:

James

[Canny lass]

I agree that on that map they would appear to be the same thing. The three pits of Bomarsund were literally in each other's back yards. It's about 5-6 years since i researched my family connections to mining in Bomarsund so the memory is a bit vague but I've rummaged through my notes today and I think I can explain it to you better. My memory failed me when I said that Bomarsund pit was officially named Bedlington F pit. These were two separate pits only yards from each other. Here's a map showing the 3 pits. Right to left: Bedlington F pit, Bomarsund Colliery and the Hannah pit. Following the map is a list of the coordinates for these pits. I've marked Bedlington F and Bomarsund in red. The Hannah I've marked blue. If you compare the coordinates for Bedlington F and Bomarsund colliery you'll see that they are identical. So, it was Bedlington F which became Bomarsund colliery. The Hannah, judging by its coordinates, wasn't many yards away so it's easy to see why they would appear to be one and the same within the small confines of a map.

 

Edited January 31 by Canny lass

[Canny lass]

@7RIrFIf you are interested in the Bomarsund pits you might like this. It's a page from the notes of the people who were responsible for names on the first series of OS maps round about the 1860s. This particular entry is for Barrington Colliery's Hannah pit. The handwriting's not too bad:

"A new colliery with all the necessary apparatus. Owing to some differences among the company the workings are dicontinued".

 

Edited January 31 by Canny lass

[Canny lass]

7 hours ago, Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) said:

 the DMM site is a site that is recognised by browsers or the Security Software you have on your device as 'Not Secure' and that's why you get the 403 error. 

My security software - Malwarebytes warns you that a site is not secure and gives you the option to 'contnue' or 'block access' to the site. As I said 'continue' for access to DMM my Secrity Software saved that response for the DMM site and I am nolonger asked the question when I access DMM.

There used to be 'padlock' logo at the start of a 'secure' site name but that appears to have changed to awhat looks like a couple of Keys but when you click on the Keys the infois displayed.

You might as well have written that in Chinese!! I'll have to get my OH to have a look at it. I tried to access dmm again today and got the same message. However, i did see that that there was a padlock with a red line through it at the beginning of the web adress.

[7RIrF]

Ah thank you for making it clearer for me! 

James

[Canny lass]

On 31/01/2024 at 19:24, Canny lass said:

I'll have to get my OH to have a look at it.

@Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Well, I got him to look at it and he 'clarted' all day with no luck. He wonders if it has anything to do with my having bought a new laptop and iphone exactly one year ago when something called F-secure was installed (Part of the package I bought). I thought I'd had the problem over a year but maybe I'm wrong.

Edited February 2 by Canny lass

[Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)]

1 hour ago, Canny lass said:

@Alan Edgar (Eggy1948) Well, I got him to look at it and he 'clarted' all day with no luck. He wonders if it has anything to do with my having bought a new laptop and iphone exactly one year ago when something called F-secure was installed (Part of the package I bought). I thought I'd had the problem over a year but maybe I'm wrong.

@Canny lass had a search on Google for 'F-secure' and it looks like there is a way to temporarilly turn off protection but not sure if I would want to go down that path - the older I get the more secure I need to be .

https://community.f-secure.com/en/discussion/126862/turn-off-protection-option-is-now-hidden-in-f-secure-19-1

Think I would be looking for a device that has access to the www with security software that would give you the option to access 'Not secure' sThites of your choice.

I have used the DMM site for five or more years and I see postings on many local Facebook groups from others who have used the site and I have never seen anyone whinge about the site. I have corresponded via email with the 'Webmaster' who looks after all the software and he told me the site was developed years ago using a now redundant software and he does not know of anyone else that uses this software so there will be no one available to do what he does when he moves on.

Info from http://www.dmm.org.uk/misc/f_purp.htm =

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I'll keep thinking but can't see me coming up with anything that might help you 😭

 

[Canny lass]

Thanks Eggy. Strange thing is, on several websites I get a pop-up telling me that the site is not secure and a choice to continue or abort my search but this doesn't happen with DMM.