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You are applying Western democratic values to a system which totally rejects same. But even in the case of Nazi Germany only a small number of dedicated fanatacists were able to subvert a working democracy, so your supposition that our democracy won't allow a take over is flawed. A blind eye is being turned to massive postal voting fraud in Muslim areas because that suits our establishment politicians - our democracy is a lot more frail than we are led to believe! You are also making the mistake of equating Islam with other religions. It's not any sort of religion we know of, it's a totalitarian way of life and death. The numbers game won't hack it for several reasons. Most have already been aired here, but the most significant factor is Cameron's suicidal support for Turkey to join the EU. Other EU countries have seen the danger and won't support him. Because saner voices have prevailed Turkish entry has been delayed, but it's now an inevitability. If you doubt the significance of this when combined with the EU principal of free movement, then listen to what is said in that video! Shariah law already is imposed in our country, and permitting that is one of many bungles by our elites. The fanatics are telling you and Maggie what is going to happen in that video in plain English, what don't you understand about that? Do you think they are insincere? Do you think they exaggerate? Someone please answer the question: where are the moderates in Islamic countries? The only Islamic countries that display an outward-facing moderacy are the ones that are under strict military control. In truth I think that's where we are likely heading too. We've come uncomfortably close to this before, but I think the loony left is going to give the militaristic right the excuse they've never been able to find.

Yes Maggie, and all viewpoints will be equally valid right up to the inevitable day that shariah law is imposed on us all. I do not support any form of extremism, and if I was out of the screaming leftie stable I'd have to feign offence at your suggestion and sprinkle a few accusations of ..isms and ...phobias around to prove my credentials as a fully paid up idiot and contestant for a Darwin award! I'm not and I don't, because - unlike your left wing friends - I read more than the commercially failing paper for the brain-dead The Guardian! One tiny bit of extremism I've just happened on today is a statement that "Christianity faces elimination in its birthplace..." - by that well known right-wing extremist the Archbishop of Canterbury! He is of course talking about bloody elimination BY Islam. A pity it's not done to ask questions of the cleric in church, else some might be tempted to ask the supplementary of how long he thinks this elimination will take in our birthplace! Please do say a lot about the petition, as - unlike the highly censored Guardian comments section - there's no fear of ideas or fear of the truth here. And, here's a question that The Guardian won't tax its reader's brains by posing, but perhaps you could attempt to answer: Where are all these moderate Muslims you talk about in Muslim countries? Are they seen crying out for moderation there when people are being stoned to death; having their hands cut off; or are simply being treated like third-class citizens with no human rights? If all the moderates have come here because of the extremists there, then maybe we should be suggesting that they return to enlighten their Muslim brethren. (Explanation only for the humourless, PC, left: The last sentence is a joke, but the rest is certainly no joke!) Here's a very cogent explanation of just WHY we are in the mess we are in. You'll need to get over the fact that it's published in the right-wing extremist Daily Express though! http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/628960/Elites-impact-of-migration

You are falling into the trap of equating foreign travel and a steady trickle exchange of citizenry with mass economic migration into the domain of another culture. For centuries our ancestors never saw immigration levels of more than a few hundred people a year. Even the persecution of Ugandan Asians never saw 60,000 UK immigrants in total over the entire period - and these people were highly industrious, Christian, and didn't ghettoise. What we are experiencing today has absolutely no precedent in these islands, and it's suicidal for our culture for politicians to pretend that it's just a continuation of past trends. The figures are now so high that the true extent of economic immigration is now a state secret, and it's going to get worse! The number of us that have lived outside the UK at some stage in our lives has absolutely no bearing on this, just as the number of tourists we see in our cities in Summer is nothing but economically positive, and holds no cultural threat. Actually, true refugees always harbour the desire to go back home when it becomes possible, and/or when they have accumulated enough wealth; that's what we do too, but that's not what the present influx is about. The present influx is about cultural replacement, not about integration and enrichment. The Islamic leaders have only one goal: total world domination! Hiding your head in the sand and pretending that the situation is otherwise - like large sections of the Labour Party are really good at - only plays into the hands of our own right-wing extremists. In a democracy it rapidly becomes obvious that those extremists are the only ones who have real-world solutions. That's what is happening in France, and indeed many other countries, right now.

OK, I answered your burkah one CL, so how about answering this: You are in the UK and a regular taxi pulls up. A passenger gets out; you try the same door and it's now locked. You complain to the Muslim driver and he tells you to sit in the back. But - you say - a passenger just got out of the front seat! That was a man says the driver, you have to sit in the back or you're going nowhere! What do you do? a ) Get in the back. b ) Go nowhere. c ) Impossible, it could never happen! Supplementary question: If you chose a ) then how long before you'll be obliged to wear the burkah yourself?

Another petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114551/ Worth signing for the sake of our strained democracy, even though the militant left have corrupted the petitions system as well as seizing control of the Labour Party. See: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/627734/Fiddle-Donald-Trump-Petition-UK-Government I do hope that no one here will be tempted to do that themselves, because it undermines the whole point. No worthwhile end is ever justified by outright fraud - which brings us right back to the subject of the petition.

Ah, well you see Sym the extremist "lesbiongaybisexualtraansgender/Muslim/Christian/black/Pakastani/et al (delete as appropriate)" also shove "down the throats of everybody else" that they are delete as appropriates, and try to represent it as the normal state of being. That's what makes more conservative (with a small c) people nervous; the throat-shovers delight in doing so, and damage their own case by constantly overstepping the boundaries of reason. Apart from that I have to pretty much agree with you - which makes me nervous! @CL: I'm glad we are both thinkers! Of course we'd all help that woman in a burkah, though a heart-attack in a sack would surely be more difficult to identify than if she were wearing normal Western dress. My Italian is indeed terrible, but then again I'm a buyer not a seller, and my supplementary excuses are that I'm English and old. Even official and qualified Italian speakers of English are awful too, and if you want a proper English conversation you seek out an illegal African in transit - which there's no difficulty locating these days. Several times though I've had to restrain myself from intervening in hillarious Italio/German dialogue, where both parties sincerely believe they share a common second language. That's just another reason why the EU is doomed to political failure, though trade, close cooperation, and mutual respect, will go on regardless.

Bit of a Hobson's Choice there CL, the sort much loved by the hard left. And, to imply that he'd even consider refusing treatment on purely racial grounds would be to presume that which was never intended. Why is a Muslim doctor or nurse here in the first place? It is understandable that they might come for training, but why don't they then go and treat people of their own persuasion nearer to their homeland? If he/she has clearly embraced our society fully, and properly integrated, and is - oh yes - fully medically qualified and speak OUR language passably, then why would anyone have any qualms? But there are any one of a number of alternative scenarios that any clear-thinking human being would be mindful of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_International_Airport_attack We won't align ourselves with a huge range of popular yet questionable belief sets in the world, lest we should be identified with their beliefs. Yet are we expected to make an exception with the Saudis just because they are Muslim?

Well at least a small part of it does. That part is The European Scrutiny Committee, and they've scrutinised: Is there a single person in this country that trusts Duplicitous Dave to deliver on any more of his "cast iron" promises? His record is abysmal, and this time he'll be gone by the time his cheque is presented. There are 27 huge reasons why nothing will ever be delivered, and why the EU will continue on its merry way to obliterating our country from the world map! This is by far the most important vote we'll ever be allowed in our lifetime. The result won't be for five years, it will affect our children and many generations yet unborn. Cameron has said their won't be a second chance, and there at least he's right: a YES vote will be for keeps, but a NO vote will be spun into a maybe - we'll still need to be vigilant. There will be an attempt to make the British public believe that a Yes vote is a vote for the status quo, and that a No vote will be playing with fire, and terribly terribly risky. The bald truth is that there is no status quo on offer! It's the German way and total loss of our democracy, or we get our country back! Simples! Any politico that tries to spin it otherwise needs to be put in their place, and reminded who they serve.

So... the Biased Broadcasting Corporation is broadcasting hourly adverts to our great unwashed about the petition to ban Donald Trump from the UK (as if he'd want to come to such an intolerant society anyway, or as if this would have any influence on American voters, except maybe cause more Americans to rally to his support). Strange then that the BBC makes little or no mention of mass petitions which don't align with the Guardinista closed mindset! Well, there's now a counter-petition for those who aren't frightened by ideas, and object to the bullying left trying to shut down debate. And - of course - it's a petition that the BBC will strenuously avoid promoting! https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114907/ The Government will take no notice of either petition. But, signing the counter-petition at least says that the UK isn't entirely dominated by screaming left-wing activists; those who'd be the very first to the Gulag if their Corbinista dystopia ever got off the ground.

I wouldn't disagree with you that we are headed for global war WT. The question is is it part of an elitist masterplan or are we just stumbling on into it? I think the answer is likely a little different, and that we are fundamentally driven by our genes. The EU and Herr Junker's continual quest for an army for his putative superstate is at core genetic. Yes, the Nazis were right semi-right, there are markers for "the masterrace", but these are not quite as glorious or as unique as they made out! Having gone so far off the rails most Germans are in a period of denial, but their genes are still driving the very same agenda by a more subtle route. There are of course other traits in other ethnic groups, and we undoubtedly share these. This is complete heresy to the woolly-minded left who want everyone to believe that all humans are created equal. That's patent nonsense, as we ourselves illustrate by describing those traits in the animal kingdom which we exploit. This is "dangerous talk" as it blows gaping holes in a lot of the lazy thinking of the left. I don't believe that facing up to reality is in any way dangerous though; we can all accept basic human rights and common standards of decency - well most of us can! But, to conflate those rights with so called equality of races is a daft game that can only lead to misery. We are on the threshold of an age of machine intelligence which will undoubtedly far exceed our own, and it may take this to look back and see things more clearly. In the meantime I'd rather that the religious lefties don't obliterate my country and my blood line in the name of something which they know absolutely nothing of. Nationalism and extended family is not an evil, it's an integral part of our being. It can be perverted, as we are all well aware, but without it we are nothing. Throughout history nations that have promoted free thinking have triumphed and empires that have suppressed it have crumbled. The present fear of challenging ideas illustrates that a formerly great nation is now well on the wrong side of that equation!

Tell this to the Guardinistas at the BBC, and to a large section of our teaching profession. To them the "science"/debate is settled, and no one is permitted an alternative viewpoint. To the terminal PC you are only allowed to "decide" within the very narrow limits they ordain. Take last night's little Guardianista back-slapping session as a hot example, and listen closely to the words. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/telegraphsportnews/12038819/BBC-presenter-says-Tyson-Fury-cannot-be-a-d-and-win-SPOTY-on-air.html Yes, you heard it right: in order to win the main sports award on our licence-funded public broadcaster you MUST conform to the Guardian's mindset! Not all that long ago that utterance would have become a first-class scandal. Now the thought control process has become so endemic that this little truth leakage hardly rates a mention. It mostly goes completely over the heads of the social medial obsessed masses, and only older people posses any meaningful benchmarks as to just how badly freedom of expression has become eroded. And, the kiddies are simply too busy being Self-absorbed, Narcissistic, and Victimised to see the elephant in the room.

Quotes highly selectively plucked only from the Old Testament, which is what Jews hold as divine truth. Curious then that we don't get too nervous in the presence of orthodox Jews - the vast majority of whom have a full compliment of hands! On which subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud Now all these juvenile apologists for an evil belief set need to do is drive into the Syrian desert and repeat their experiment. Their simply putting a different cover on the Quran would likely be as far as that experiment got.

But.. it's only what they've been taught! http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/624461/Everett-Pipe-Oklahoma-Wesleyan-University How long will Dr Piper stay in his job? Well, judging by the longevity of the career of any other academic speaking out against the our brave new PC world, not very long I'd wager! How can we allow this cultural takeover to happen? It's only possible because ordinary people don't speak out, and allow themselves to be cowed by these pseudo-intellectuals. Bread and Circuses - whilst the unproductive elites in non-jobs feed on Cake! When this becomes so bleedingly-obvious - as in the case of Teflon Tony - well... apply an extra helping of doublethink, and pretend that he changed at some vaguely undefined point, and that Blair doesn't represent the entire dystopian system!

An interesting facet on where this whole internationalist bag of tricks originated: Farewell to the man who invented 'climate change' ...just in case anyone had any doubts that it's all about social engineering, and has b-all to do with science! He's been hiding up in China since 2005, lest his masterful plan should start to unravel; it's simply working so well at the moment!

Even when their potty internationalist view of the world is the only one that can be heard? Even when they infiltrate our schools and tell our children what they must think rather than how to think for themselves? Even when they bend reality to suit their myopic views of everything? Even when they conspire with international capital to create an underclass to service them, and preserve their own undeserved, non-productive, lifestyle? Even when they set about a deliberate eradication of our culture, and a rewrite our history? I think you are a mite confused brother: you are clearly one of us Proles! If you want to turn your back on your ancestry, and decry everything they did and ever stood for you could become a bit lonely in our part of Eurasia.

Nice legs!

After all their politicos scaremongering that a "no" vote would leave Denmark at the mercy of terrorism and paedophiles, the Danes have given a decisive "no" to further integration with the EU. In fact they want to claw some of their sovereignty back, though this will be an uphill struggle against Brussels and their own elites. The sky won't fall in for Denmark because the EU needs them more than they need the EU. That's even more so for the UK - without our money and our independent currency the EU (and the Euro) will implode under the weight of its insufferable bureaucracy. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/12032958/Denmarks-EU-referendum-is-a-blow-to-David-Cameron.html We've only got a referendum because Duplicitous Dave never foresaw that the so-called Liberal Democrats would self-destruct. He was depending on them to once again prevent him from carrying out an electoral promise. He miscalculated on that one big time, and now that we have the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to tell him where he and his trough-guzzling buddies can put their non-jobs, we'd all be idiots to let him off the hook. For the sake of everyone in Europe the UK needs to ignore all the Europhile lies, follow the Danish example, and issue a big "no"!

Sorry, it's going to be mid week before it can be fixed. You can't get the labour these days!

When I was young scientific method meant that all theories were always up for discussion, and that if something came along which better fitted the data the previous theory could be consigned to history - principally, everything was always up for discussion. History, however, seems to have stopped. At least it has at the Biased BBC! In other words: in a slack moment we let through something which admitted to a non-alarmist viewpoint, and that simply won't do! So, we will censor it under the spurious and pathetic excuse of lack of impartiality. This is truly Orwellian! http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06418l5 Well Biased BBC, your lame excuse just about describes 50% of your output these days! So carry on censoring stuff that doesn't conform with your PC group-think, then we can have a bumper edition of the What's the point of...? entitled: What's the point of a publicly funded broadcasting organisation that has lost all perspective, and is controlled by an arrogant liberal-leftie elite! But, somehow, I don't think that program will even get to the commissioning stage.

That's the best news I've had this week - so far! I think you have to separate the events that would have happened anyway from those events that likely wouldn't. Some are difficult to categorise, but WWI was surely just waiting for an excuse to happen? Another excuse would have come along quickly. In fact there might have been something to trigger it quite some time earlier, as tensions had been rumbling on for many years. It's easy to paint it WWI a huge misunderstanding as many politicos do these days, but that would be a lie. Rather like George W. looking for an excuse (ably assisted by Teflon Tony) to finish off a war his father had made the quite opposite mistake of terminating far too early - the Austrians only declared war because Germany was standing right behind them urging them on, and planning to be the biggest beneficiary. Our parents and their parents read it correctly as yet another historic German grab for power and influence. It also turned out as another historic German miscalculation as to the will and determination of other peoples. Yet, how soon we forget these simple truths, and dismiss the fact that many of the very same factors are still at work in the very same locations. They are simply dressed up differently to appeal to a modern audience, but the scheming and the lies continue. I guess that brings us back to your thread title: Time and Time Again.

Full article: The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever

Yup, breathtaking that the very people who's wrong-headed ideas are responsible for one of our problems, want to use that problem to further their own agenda on another nutty one that's been dreamed up out of thin air! They have the temerity to call people who don't fall for all this deniers. But I suppose all religions have used that term to label people who need actual physical proof before they are prepared to change their established lifestyles. So, why should The Church of Anthropomorphic Climate Change be any different? Personally I'm still expecting the terminal skin cancer that we were all going to get from the hole in the ozone layer. It's still there apparently, and reportedly even larger than when we all had five years left to live. Better still, bring back the good old days when we could nod to the established fact that it was all that b* nuclear testing that was disrupting the climate. You could actually make an excellent living by predicting the next doom and disaster fad: get ahead of the market on the book, then the film of the book, then the world lecture tour, and you are set up for life! You only need to come up with something that's nebulous and can never be scientifically dis-proven, but woolly thinkers (like politicos) can be persuaded is a real threat to civilisation. There must be oodles of non-jobs in it, and lots of international travel and expense accounts. Principally there must be no clear solution, and the only things that could possibly be done should be so expensive that they exceed the entire world's GNP several times over. To get third world support you need to be able to point the finger of blame at those nations who've made the world a lot better place for everyone, and - of course - promise them lots of money you haven't got. No one genuinely expects that this mega-money will ever materialise, so that's OK. It really helps if in doing these things civilisation would be wound back a few hundred years (and likely the average human lifespan back to 25 years in process) - that one gets the Green vote every time!