Codicil accepted Sym as always, Thing is I had so much belief I went and lived and worked in continental Europe for 10 years. I still have many friends across there and guess what almost all see the UK as a country wanting to be separatist and just about all of them wish we were! There seems less education about debased national stereotypes across there than anything appearing the in Daily Mail! We were turned down for jobs because we were English, and that was off official Eurocrats. I had to go and throw the appropriate passages out of the Maastricht Treaty across the desk at them! In the end the Hoi Polloi are just the same as us and it took some time but we were eventually accepted by our neighbours and community and became good friends with them. It's not the ideal I disagree with it's the people running it because they are doing it for their benefit not ours!