Threegee, I think you did say that, as I've posted above. You later said that you could "only remember one occasion that any were used." (July 18th, 8.59am) I am not against your feeling the need to have a system for dealing with disruptive elements. I can even accept that any such system includes being given a warning before any other measures are taken - in fact I think it's only fair and adult to do so. What I am against is: my, and presumably many others being under some kind of secret surveillance. (Nobody seemed to know about this points system, not even Malcolm - a moderator, who had to ask me where Id seen these warning points mentioned) that these points are published on profiles and in forums. OK, I have no points but I may have had, and that doesn't feel very nice. I cannot see my profile or my input in the forums through the eyes of the reader, so I don't know what they see. It's a very uncanny feeling, if you'll pardon the pun.