Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)
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Why ask me, ask the Whispering Fish.
Just confirming Symptoms perfect answer ~:-
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Don't know if it was sold in 2012 when this post started but I see it's back on the market via Rightmmove/Mike Rogerson for £165,000 and they even give some history of the building - The Laird's House. Was there a topic/posting asking for places to be nominated for a museum or is it just my wandering mind? Anyway, just the place for the Bedlington Development Trust to invest in, Malcolm must be looking for places to invest this years budget :-
*** COMMERCIAL PROPERTY - FRONT STREET - GARDENS TO REAR - NO UPPER CHAIN ***
We welcome to the market this impressive building situated in the town centre of Bedlington most recently occupied by and known as Bedlington Top Club. This georgian building bares the date 1777 and was know to be the Lairds House.
The buildling also bares the initals of George Marshall who farmed land in the area. His son, George was very good friends with Sir Daniel Gooch, the world renown engineer. In 1870 the house was leased to John Week the agent of the Bedlington coal company. Managers of the towns Doctor Pit Colliery lived in the house until 1954.
The property comprises of entrance lobby, entrance hallway, two seperate reception/bar areas with fitted bars and seating. One of which also has a further area currently used as a snooker room. To the rear of the building there are toilets and storage facilities. To the front entrance hall there is a further door which leads to the cellar and access to the first floor. On the first floor there are two rooms currently being used as office and storage plus a bathroom. There is a large garden area to the rear of the building the property also is fully alarmed.NO UPPER CHAIN
Lobby - Lounge - 32' 2'' x 17' 5'' (9.8m x 5.3m) - Bay window to front seating area.
Bar/Function/Snooker Room - 62' 4'' x 17' 9'' (19.00m x 5.4m)
Comprising of bay window to front, seating area plus games area to rear, fitted bar.
Toilets
Male, Female and disabled toilets are available to the rear of the building. First Floor Landing With feature stained glass window.
First Floor Room One - 23' 2'' x 16' 5'' (7.05m x 5.m)
First Floor Room Two - 17' 7'' x 16' 5'' (5.35m x 5.m)
First Floor Room Three - 16' 9'' x 14' 9'' (5.1m x 4.5m)
Bathroom
Bathroom suite with window to rear.
Second Floor Room - 20' 4'' x 14' 3'' (6.2m x 4.35m)
Cellar
Rear Garden
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It was eth I was meaning. How did you manage to write that here? I'v tried several times and different methods to use phonetic symbols on this site but Always without success.
In OE they were using a mish mash of alphabets. The clerics used mostly a Celtic version of the Latin alphabet but, necessity being the mother of invention, they eked it out with a few letters from the Anglo Saxon runic alphabet. Eth and d, being similar in appearance and sound often changed places. Interesting today is that you can see 'dd' in the Welsh language (Celtic). 'dd' is one letter of the alphabet. 'd' is another letter. *dd' is pronounced 'th' as in Think.
Canny Lass - the only method I have ever used to insert Old English letters like Thorn - þ - or Wingdings j h k is by 'Copy' from the fonts in Microsoft Word & 'Paste' them into the topic you are writing.
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Possibly Eggy get back to you on that one.......
Any luck Malcolm, or is there a department or person I can ring?
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I remember it Maggie. There was Always a 'ging -beer plant' standing on the floor in our pantry. Very hush hush! It smelled like rotten eggs but the end Product tasted very nice. It was a bit like a sour dough. it had to be fed and divided once a week but obviously there was no flour involved. It was fed with sugar and ground ginger and there must have been yeast involved in the first 'plant'. I've been trying to get a recipe for this for years so I hope somebody here can help.
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Sorry seems for some pictures I am on the other side of the World again.
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Ovalteeny - I think I knew one of the lads on that team, Brian Dixon, and as the other names don't ring any bells I think he could be younger than the rest.
We had a Brian Dixon that went to WM in our year, Bedlington Grammar - 1st year 1960 - good defender - Salvation Army member - cousin (didn't play football) John Dixon.
I have never used (or even heard of) GeoCities so don't really know what I am looking for but rather than watch soaps with the wife or watch a friendly international I had a Google about!
There is a GeoCities archive site www.archiveteam.org. Within the first page is a section "How can I find a page or website I'm looking for?" That passes you to "
External links"
Within in that section there are geocities addresses that take you to a web site - www.reocities.com/
It's opening page starts with -
Welcome To ReoCities...
If this is your first visit here, please sign the petition
Here lies what we could salvage from the ashes of GeoCities. ....................
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A question on the sixtownships history site :- "Does anyone know where the blue plaque off the nail in Bedlington has gone?" - The only view I have had of The Nail over the last 15 years is 3 sides of it (no plaque on those sides) via Google Street view, and have never seen the plaque that the English Heritage site says there is. Anyone know what has happened?
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With me forever.
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Was it not "kensitas" that had vouchers in?
Extract from Wikipedia only the 'Club' brand had gift tokens the earlier brands had picture cards :-
Club (or Kensitas Club as it was once known), is a brand of cigarette distributed by Gallaher tobacco and available only in the United Kingdom. Club comes in a distinct blue packaging with club written on it and a lion's head on the packet. Each cigarette contains 10mg of carbon monoxide, 10mg of tar and 0.8mg of nicotine. Unlike other brands, Club is only available in a King size variety with no lighter or menthol substitutes. Although lights were available at one time, they have since been discontinued. The brand built its popularity using gift coupons enclosed within cigarette packets which could be saved and redeemed at Kensitas Gift Centres in major UK cities.
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Probably R.N. - uncle in the Navy or Senior Service, older uncle pretending to be in a better armed force.
Various Polish & American cigs bought, very cheaply if you had a sister, off the boat crews that tied up in Blyth where we fished for poddlers.
Capstain Full Strength, nicked from the packet of granda the pit deputy.
Woodbine - what relatives would give you at age 14 for running a message, putting coals in etc.
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Name added to petition and link to petition posted on the sixtownships 'Bedlington remembered site'.
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Rafie - my mate Ralph Lowe says his brother is on this photo and he will be seeing him in 3-4 weeks time so should be able to put some names to picture. He also thinks he has seen this one in A Cree Full of Coal, with names.
Barrington School Football Team season 1947 - 1948
Left to right: Back row - Brian Patterson, Billy Foster, Jimmy Bailey.
2nd back - Billy Cook, Billy Spratt, George McCauley.
2nd front - Stan Bowey, unknowm, Tommy Chappelhow.
Front - John Lowe and Tommy Kinghorne.
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An interesting article posted in the Sixtownships History Group site about a secret army of resistance fighters from our region and their leader from East Riggs Bedlington.
The link to the Evening Chronicle article of 1968 is :- http://www.auxunit.org.uk/chronicle250468.htm
As a 'backup' to the 'auxunit' site entry I vae copied the article into this page.
If there is any problem with this then I am sure admin will delete and just leave the link.
Auxunits in Northumberland
Newcastle Evening Chronicle April 1968
Evening Chronicle logo
25th April 1968
The North-East's secret army of resistance fighters undertook vital tasks in testing the defences of airfields and army headquarters throughout the invasion "scare years" of 1940-41.But until now, their pledge of secrecy has concealed another more unusual role. At least two North-East groups, composed entirely of Bedlington miners, formed the Royal Family's personal bodyguard during residence at Balmoral. Their task: To fight off German paratroopers who may have landed with orders to kidnap or even kill the King, Queen and the two Princesses. One formed of Scremerston men headed by Mr. Lambert Carmichael. Today he remembers his guard on the Royal Family with pleasure and pride as the highlight of his war service. He performed two periods of duty at Balmoral and recalled that the Queen had a good memory. "She recognised me the second time as 'the Tweedside farmer'". He spoke of grouse shooting with the late King, striding side by side over the hills surrounding Balmoral. Then there were the moments of relaxation when the Royal family and their guard got together at informal functions.
The Bedlington miners were led by Mr. Robert Charlton Hall, then a 42 year old bank manager who lived in a semi-detached house in East Riggs Road Bedlington. It was a house with a difference. Stored at one time in the wooden garage was "enough plastic explosives, gelignite, detonators and other paraphernalia to blow up not only Bedlington, but Ashington, Morpeth and Blyth to boot". Mr. Hall lived three roles, by day, he carried on the respectable role of bank manager, at weekends he was a Home Guard Major. At night he played out his third more secret role, "Obviously, my wife never knew what I was up to. But I had been appointed a group commander of the resistance in our area and most of our training had to take place in darkness. "It was not until years later that I dared tell her what I'd been up to. It was safer for her not to know because if the invasion had come she would have nothing to tell interrogators". Mr. Hall was recruited to the secret army shortly after the outbreak of war. He was a first war veteran who already carried hand wounds from the Battle of Passchendaele. He personally recruited each man in his five patrols for "Maquis" work in Bedlington, Chevington, Stobswood, Ellington and Cramlington. They were then despatched to a secret headquarters at Colesworth House, in the South for training in unarmed combat, demolition, fieldcraft and blowing up railways. Each man was told that if he was wounded after occupation and proved a hindrance to his colleagues—he would be shot. "I suppose that in the event I would have carried out that distasteful job" said Mr. Hall. "But you must remember, the feeling of the times. They were, of course, quite desperate and invasion seemed very likely. "The patrol members had to know the truth to a large extent and were told what to expect if the Germans came. In spite of family responsibilities, they volunteered to a man. "I had a splendid bunch of chaps-mostly all pitmen-even today I regard them as the salt of the earth. Frankly, I recruited them on unusual grounds. I liked to hear of trouble makers, rabble-rousers and fighters, or the chaps who obviously wanted excitement.
"I would then interview them to try and establish their adaptability to the job required. Then they had to sign the' Official Secrets Act'—and as an additional incentive to secrecy it was sometimes mentioned they'd be shot, if they broke silence!!". Among the first tasks required of the newly formed Bedlington group was to establish suitable places for their underground hideouts. Some, Mr. Hall recalled were "gems" of ingenuity. They were situated at widely scattered points throughout the area. One near the Mona Taylor Maternity homes, Stannington, was next to a stream. "It was almost on the Bedlington-Morpeth boundary in a small wood. You lifted a small tree to reveal the entrance. At Stobswood, the hideout was next to the pit heap, in some scrub. There was a third near Acklington airfield where you had to squeeze behind a tree, the entrance was in the bankside covered in moss". Each hideout was constructed of brick and contained bunks for 9 to 12men.There was food to last a month, explosives, ammunition, weapons and usually a "concealed air pipe". "There was a hide in Hartford Woods, the entrance consisted of a flat tray on balanced rollers. Over the tray we grew a pile of brambles. It would have been near-impossible to spot it even inside the clump of brambles as the entrance opened by pulling a small ring attached to a wire" said Mr. Hall.
"On another exercise I was shown a flat expanse of lawn about living room size. "I was told there was a bunker beneath and instructed to find the entrance, I discovered _after examining almost every blade of grass—that it was opened by a partly concealed matchstick attached to a wire" Such were the kind of concealment places constructed for the miner "maquis" of Bedlington. Their exploits sprang readily to mind for Mr. Hall "What a fantastic bunch of chaps they were. Their fieldcraft was magnificent. I had one man who could actually catch rabbits with his bare hands and proved it to me repeatedly. On one occasion we saw a rabbit in a field rubbing his whiskers, Tommy I can't remember his second name, but he was a leading poacher said "D'ye want that rabbit, Sor?" then off he went on his stomach. "You could not see him move but if you looked away for a few seconds you could see he had advanced a couple of yards. "He just crept up to that rabbit and lifted it. It was truly amazing—and can you imagine what damage a chap like that could have done after an invasion. Mr. Hall who now lives in retirement in a cottage in Newgate Street, Morpeth, recalled other exploits of the Bedlington miners when they were chosen for personal guard duty for the Royal Family in Balmoral. "They were so good that they were invited to remain longer. During that time I met the Royal Family personally, even played games with the Princesses. The task of the Royal Guard was to spot intruders inside the Balmoral grounds. Outside the boundaries, guard duties were performed by regular troops. Each of the 12_man patrol was instructed to stay under cover and to keep out of the way of the Royal Family. They flitted from tree to tree with faces blackened or maintained watch in hideouts strung along the hill slopes above the castle. Each incident was reported to Major Hall "One of our chaps was actually spotted by the King and Queen when they strolled in the grounds. I was rather annoyed about it at the time" he said. At Balmoral, however, there was time for recreation when informalities were relaxed and the Royal Family joined mess functions and chatted with their guards. Thus it happened that Major Hall accidentally "flattened" the future Queen. "The two princesses-aged then about 10 and 14-insisted on playing a game called 'Statues'. The idea was to touch an opponent, who froze until touched and rescued by a colleague. "Princess Elizabeth could run like a hare-really good at the game ,then I saw her creep out of a door and peeked out of the window. Sure enough, she was passing beneath, so I just jumped on her". Mr. Hall still retains copies of a 'plan' of the party games drafted by the two princesses.
"Unfortunately, my wife did not know where I was. My brother died during Balmoral guard and so tight was security that the news did not reach me until after the burial". Back in the North-East, his group continued with their night training. Each patrol was armed with a specially-built high powered .22 rifle with telescopic sights. The familiarity with this was awesome. "Each man was trained to hit a man directly in the eye in darkness. The weapon was silenced and a near miss in war conditions could have spelled disaster. It had to be a direct, quick killing shot—if there was doubt, the men had to use their 'Fairbairn' daggers for a silent 'kill'. Former patrol members today can still demonstrate the knifing methods used. They were also taught killing karate blows. Their effectiveness was fully demonstrated during a mock raid on Acklington airfield when the patrols broke silently through the prepared defences overpowered guards and within a couple of hours demonstrated their ability to blow up every installation and aircraft on the field." It was a terrible night—we were all soaked to the skin within minutes but we got through unseen. I was with my second-in-command Jack Whitfield from Barrington and together I recall sneaking up on a guard who was just walking round and round a plane on the runway.
"I grabbed him behind the neck and told him: 'move and you're dead'. We tied him up then went around the planes chalking swastikas everywhere to prove we could have put them out of action". "Meanwhile, the rest of the men were chalking swastikas over the main buildings, at one point, just for fun, we set off a flare, then climbed the roof of the main building and watched the guards running about." Towards daylight, Jack and I gave ourselves up and were taken to the guardroom .Another couple of my chaps were there, so to avoid boredom we shoved a guard in the toilet. We then told the other guard-on duty with bayonet and loaded rifle that his mate had disappeared into the toilet and hadn't emerged. He went to look—then we bundled him inside too and went to cause a bit more bother". Mr. Hall recalled that they were years of 'great fun' but the strain of the early days proved testing. "The worst part was being able to tell families what we were doing. And of course, during the time when invasion was a real possibility, there was the worry of what would happen to our families after we went to earth and started to fight, I had one sergeant at Stobswood, for instance who had seven children. I used to worry about him". Preparations made for the threatened invasion in the North-East were extensive —and only now have come to light. In the Mid-Northumberland area, the resistance men secretly earmarked for destruction key points on railway lines and bridges. On one secret manoeuvre they even blew up colliery railway wagons to give practical effect to their knowledge. It caused quite a bit bother—no one knew, of course, that we were responsible". The bridge carrying the main line through Percy Woods, near Morpeth had a stone removed ready for an explosive charge.
Potential supply routes for an invading force were reconnoitred and made ready for sabotage. "We would have made things damn awkward for Jerry", said Mr. Hall. Today he lives a life of quiet retirement among the roses in his extensive gardens. He has a three months holiday each year in the Canary Isles and corresponds regularly with his daughter Mildred-a former member of General Eisenhower's staff during the invasion.
His son, Major R.Hall, has had a distinguished military career and was mentioned in despatches for his recent exploits in Aden. Mr. Hall has a constant reminder of his days as a resistance leader in the North-East. He had a finger and thumb blown off when demonstrating explosives to his men in the 1940's.His other hand still bears the 1914-18 war wounds.
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I have been reliably informed that the streets which were located around the 'Bank Top' area were as follows -
Starting at what used to be Joe Jennings farm and shop including Mansion House now possibly 'Smiles' was Glassey Terrace. The first 7 houses were originally named Howard Terrace but the name was changed to Glassey Terrace as a result of misdirected mail as another Howard Terrace existed in Netherton.
Families living in Glassey Tce in the 1940s/1950s were -
1 - Storey
2 - Jobson
3 - Storey
4 - Watson
5 - Tait
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7 - Hedley
8 - Moscrop
9 - Proudlock
10 - Hedley
11 - Andrews
12 - Brown
13 - Gregg
14 - Morton
15 - Gibson
16 - Wonford
Next came the Bank Top Hotel(opened in 1903) Landlord J McKenna.
To the left of the Bank Top pub was a row of about 4 cottages occupied by families McSparron, Cole and Thompson. These cottages were next to the Puddlers Arms which contained flats occupied by Bell, McGregor, Miller , Rooney. These were also known as Craggs Buildings. This collection of homes including the Puddlers Arms were eventually cleared to make way for what is now River View Close.
Continuing away from the Bank Top was River View -
1 - Turnbull
2 - Scoular
3 - Patterson
4 - Dodds
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6 -
7 -
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9 - Stanners
10 - Metcalfe
11 - Tipple
12 - Dawson
13 - Mood
14 - Hall
15 - Short
16 - Fenwick
17 -
18 -
19 - Douglas
20 - Coe
Staying on the right hand side of the road next came 'Puddlers Row'. These houses ran as far as number 2 Stead Lane across the area at the top of what is now Tomlea Avenue where the cottages are.
Families in Puddlers Row approx mid 1950s (some show numerous or duplicate names as families moved or swapped houses)-
1 - McGarry/McAndrews
2 - Donohoe
3 - McCafferty
4 - Conomy
5 - Noon/Odonnell/Tellum
6 - Thain/Furness
7 - Neary
8 - Mullarkey/Smallman
9 - Bellerby
10 -Carey
11 - Murphy/Bolam
12 - Nicholson
13 - Weatheritt
14 - Kelly/Snowdon
15 - Kinghorn/McCafferty
16 - Oliver
17 - Birch/Mulholland/Mole
18 - Easton/Craze
19 - Smallman/Walker/McCafferty
20 - Mullarkey/Earl
These houses led onto Stead Lane with the even numbers on the right as you headed towards Bedlington and the odd numbers (Doyles Shop side)on the left.
I also have an almost complete list of families for Stead Lane if anyone wants them posted.
Please note the information was compiled by my Father (who is now 84 years old and has lived at the Bank Top all his life)and a few old family friends whose names appear in the lists of families. I cannot comment on their accuracy or the exact dates as no records were used only 'grey matter' and memories.
Reedy - can't remember if this photo has been posted on this site before. It was posted on the sixtownships history site a couple of days ago and an ex Bedlington resident, Sarah Moore (now living abroad and I don't know if that is maiden or married name) added some comments that made me remember the list you posted on behalf of your dad. This is what she said :-
Sarah Moore That is Liddles Yard .Cruddas,s shop on the corner.Two sisters ran it one Cruddas the other Williamson. i used to tick my sweets on here when I was a dot and use everybodys coupons up .It wasnt a post office at that time.I dont know how I still have my teeth.I was born at no.13 in November 1945 but I still have a few good memories of living there.The big house on the left wasnt there when I was a toddler but,me and my cousin Carol McSparron used to play tea parties on the base of it.I also remember the bad winter of ,47 especially the men getting off the bus from Blyth at the Bank Top and pushing it because it got stuck even though it had chains on the wheels. I know some people wont believe that I can remember that far back but,I can.
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I attended the Grammar School for a year before it was turned into a comprehensive.
Legend has it that Bobby Charltons initials are carved into the lead flashing above the main entrance doors.
Never heard that one before Reedy - spent many mindless minutes - 1961 to 1965 - waiting outside main entrance doors to receive the punishment one did not deserve but never saw any names carved into any material.
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This is a letter to an ex pupil, David Williams, posted on the Sixtownships History Group :-
"Dear David
As you will be aware, Bedlington Grammar School has changed over the years and has been part of an enlarged Bedlingtonshire Community High School for some time.
Development of the current school is due to continue with a major new building programme scheduled to start during the summer of 2015. Once work on the 12-month project has been completed (around summer 2016), all of the original buildings, including the Grammar School, will be demolished.
Some former BGS pupils, who are aware of these events, have indicated that they would like to visit the old school before it disappears. The purpose of this message is to assess the level of interest (if any) in a possible 'farewell tour' (or tours) to the old Grammar School before the bulldozers roll in.
Any arrangement could be for this year, or next year, and may be best done during the summer holidays when there are no current pupils around. The advantage of making it summer 2016 is that it would then be possible to see the new building at an advanced stage. However, the disadvantage of this option is that it is a long time in the future.
Please let me have your views in respect of your interest (either way) and preferred date.
Mansel Dinnis
md@manseldinnis.co.ukRichmond House, Landing Lane
Hemingbrough, Selby
North Yorkshire, YO8 6RATel: +44 (0)1757 638103
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Hung out as long as I could. 100% it is.
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Could be Christopher, pity we can't get Google street view to line up at exactly the same angle as the old photo - you have me 75% convinced!.
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Westlea houses match the ones in the photo, another member on here sent some pics yesterday I'll see if said member will upload them.
Never thought of Westlea - being a kid from the Oval Westlea was never a place I ventured. Only been there once and that was to Netherton CIU approx 12 years ago for a wild night - 80 year old aunts birthday do.
I await the photos as I have just had a quick Goolge view, aerial and road, and although there is a street of two bedroom semis, with bay windows, there are no buildings behind them!
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Foxy
Had a spare half hour so had a Google street view around the council built estates, Top End, Station,The Oval, Grange Park, Dene View etc, and I can't see anything to match the design of the houses in the photo. There aren't many houses with no window on the first floor above the front door - so I assume 2 bedrooms. The ones I did find with only one first floor window did not have a bowed window, like the ones in the photo. Neither could I find a council built estate that had parallel rows of houses - can't tell if the row in the background are 2 bedroom semis = chimney stack in the middle of the roof. That's enough for one day, mused gallons of internal fluid, will have to stop and have a pint!
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I think this lady's timing is excellent, her facial expressions perfect- it's a shame when you have to blow your own trumpet to get recognition
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Symptoms - one more name - David Morris - added to the photo - courtesy of Sydney Armitage on the Sixtownship History Group fb site
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I know the photoshopped postcard has appeared many times
and the validity of a Zepplin raid over our town scoffed at. I am not saying this is true but whilst searching for info on Dr Trotters monument trying to establish the possible date the fake was first published) I found a couple of links where the story of a Zepplin route, dropping bombs, is documented.
The info is :- 14/15 Apr 1915 Wed/Thu. 7.30-9.00 p.m.
The Zeppelin L9, on her first mission, made landfall just north of Blyth, and at Cambois she was attacked with rifle fire from the 1st Battalion Northern Cyclists. She dropped bombs at West Sleekburn and then followed a winding course to the south passing over Choppington, Bedlington, Cramlington, Seaton Burn and Forest Hall; 14 bombs were dropped en route, all falling on fields. She then headed for Wallsend harmlessly dropping 9 bombs on the way. 6 IB were dropped at Wallsend, one hitting a cottage and slightly injuring a woman and a girl. 2 more bombs were dropped before L9 turned east and crossed the coast at Marsden. (L9 caught fire in its shed at Fuhlsuttel, Germany 19 Sep 1916).
The source is :- http://www.bpears.org.uk/Misc/War_NE/w_section_08.html
W.A.M.A.W.F!
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I don't have the badge, Symptoms reply jogged my memory.There was one for sale on ebay, starting bids £1.00 but it has now been withdrawn, no body wants it!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131464209138