Canny lass

I have to agree with you on the voting. I'd rather submit a blank vote than not use my right at all. I think you forgot to mention subjective and misinformed, Eggy.

I have to agree with you on that one.

Smart answers: A teacher at West Australian (hand on heart, that's the way it was told to me) university reminded her students of tomorrow's final exam. "Now listen to me, I won't tolerate any excuses for you not being here tomorrow. I might consider a nuclear attack, a serious personal injury, illness, or a death in your family, but that's it. No other excuses whatsoever!" A smart-@rsed teenager at the back of the room raised his hand and asked "What if I come in tomorrow suffering from complete and utter sexual exhaustion?" The entire class was reduced to laughter and sniggering. When silence was restored the teacher smiled at the student, shook her head and sweetly said, "Well, I would expect you to write the exam with your other hand".

That's the most sensible contribution in this disussion to date. Well done! Politicians, on either side, won't be coming out of this looking as though their mission was to responsibly inform the public.

10.20 - 10.40 My sentiments exactly!

Magnificent turnout, Eggy! Round about the 1% mark, and they didn't even have to get off their backsides to vote! Let's hope it will be better on Thursday and that bad weather lack of appropriate clothing doesn't put a damper on the number going to the polling booth. Friday should be very interesting here! I can hear the excuses for why it went the way it did - regardless of the way it goes - as i write. I'm afraid this thread may have a very long life.

You tell me, Webbtrekker! A staggering 17 members (of well over 1000) have bothered themselves to vote in Eggy's poll!

No, they certainly don't! What are YOU doing to try and change that?

Are you now saying that the 25% of indigenous females who were raped were raped prior to 2011? Strange! You've been arguing for months that instances of rape have rocketed since the last wave of refugees. What is it now? 50%?, 75%?. Are you now telling me that all you've been saying is based on hearsay? If you would like statistics for England you can contact the Ministry of Justice where your request for information will be handled under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. I've always found them to be very helpful and up to date. When I last contacted them regarding rape statistics, June 2014, they provided me with statistics up to and including March 2014. I know the Scandinavian countries have the same service and a similar law on information. So,my answer to your question must be: You are not trying hard enough OR you are looking in the wrong places! TIP: newspapers are not reliable sources.

No, you didn't. You said the weather was "colder than I could ever have imagined". I used the adage, "there is no bad weather, only bad clothing" to demonstrate a point. Clearly I didn't do it very well. Let me try again. 'Bad' weather need not be cold weather and cold weather need not be bad weather. It all depends on whether or not you are wearing appropriate clothing. Refugees in Sweden do not need to suffer from weather they are not used to. This is thanks to the generosity of a great many Swedes - those who have managed to retain a humanitarian approach to life - who emptied their wardrobes and who gave appropriate clothing to new arrivals. Until they were outfitted they were advised to stay indoors. Not that advice is necessary, to those who open the door in teperatures of -25 wearing a thin cotton dress or shirt. It's a bit like me going outdoors in +50 in Thailand wearing a fur coat. I've got enough grey cells functioning to tell me to stay indoors or change my clothes. Everything is relative, 3g, everything is relative.

"The group refusing to get off the bus have complained about being in a forest dozens of kilometres from the nearest town, and many of them have demanded to be taken to a big city, or even to Germany". The above quote is taken from the same article and that is exactly how it was reported here. The refugees refused to leave the bus because of the isolated area. The low temperatures were not an issue for them, but for the bus company which feared the refugees would freeze to death when the engine could no longer be kept running. One story, two differnt sides to it. Which report is correct? I've no idea. It's two reporters adjusting text to cater for the needs of two different groups and ulyimately, of course, to sell newspapers.

Having, at university level, thoroughly researched the use of linguistic and paralinguistic features in newspaper reporting, I'm afraid I no longert have many good words to say for ANY newspaper - regardless of its political standing or client group. Newspapers write for a specific group of customers and they adjust their text accordingly. Some newspapers, however, stand out from the crowd. My criticism of them remains. It is in no way ad hominem as it is an objective criticism based on my education and is in no way personal. I think you are feeling threatened again. This is not my intention. My intention is to try and balance the statements you make with statements made by others. That does not mean that I agree with either one or the other. It simply means that there are two sides to every story. It's not a bad idea, for anybody, to read both sides and decide for themselves.

Date of publication please. It's always good to read for oneself.

Very much doubt it, otherwise the 'leaves' and the' remains' wouldn't be going at it hammer and tongs as they are just now.

His bark is worse than his bite really. Try thinking of him as a cute cuddly teddy bear. It usually takes the edge off.

Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday dear Foxy Happy birthday to you. Sung to the tune of 'Happy birthday to you'. Hope you have a nice day.

Just because you don't like the cold does not mean that everybody has to dislike it. Here in Sweden, we have a saying - There is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing - If you don't have the right clothing you stay indoors. Likewise, just because you would be so upset about the weather that you would 'turn' a bit antisocial and you would go out and rape someone (that is what you're suggesting, isn't it?), doesn't mean that everybody would do the same thing. Really, 3g, there are perfectly good medicines available today. Why are you allowing yourself to suffer?

Again, put your money where your mouth is. Which areas are you referring to? I've made a few enquiries as to the €400 tooth. Nearest thing I can come up with is a titanium implant. These are not subsidised and if you think any refugees are getting these you are sadly mistaken. Many non-refugees (Swedes) take a holiday in Poland or Estonia and have the work done there.

There you go with your Boolean logic again. "EVERYONE stands i a circle". I've lived here 30 years and never seen ANYONE stand in a circle. The children dance in a circle at Midsummer celebrations but that's the nearest thing I've seen to standing in a circle. "EVERYONE" ..."gazes at themidnight sun" How many people do you think live north of the polar circle in Sweden? That's the only place the midnight sun can be seen and it is the most thinly populated area of Sweden. "EVERYONE" ... "holds hands". At one time or another in their lives, I'm sure that MOST people in Sweden hold hands with someone else. Not at the same time however and definitely not in a circle while looking at the midnight sun. "EVERYONE" ... "imagines a better world". Better being a relative description, of anything, it's hard to know just what you are imagining here. Everything is relative 3g, everything is relative. A world "(one where less than 25% of indigenous females will suffer rape)". Put your money where your mouth is. Show me official figures for any country in the world where 25% of the indigenous, female population has suffered a rape. I'd very much like to discuss these figures with you. If you wish, I can start by requesting official figures from the scandinavian countries and from England.

I didn't skip over anything. I took up the one point I feel qualified, as an OAP, to take up - my state pension and my dental care as such. We are having no problems with dental care in this area, yet we are one of the areas with most refugees. My hubby needed emergency treatment a couple of weeks ago and was seen within an hour. Doesn't exactly sound as though there are queues a mile long preventing people getting an appointment. Refugees are not seeking dental care (they don't know where to and if they did they can't speak the language). All refugees are given a full medical on arrival and it is the Swedish authourities who decide what needs to be treated and what not. For those who don't know, Peter Lundgren is an MP for Sverigedemokraterna (Swedens Democrats) - the Swedish approximate equivalent of Ukip. It's always good to know whose side the speaker is on don't you think?

My state pension hasn't been cut (it's better than the one I get from Britain) and neither has my old man's and the price of dental work has long been a bone of contention in Sweden. My last check-up, no work required other than the customary scrape and polish included in the price, was just under 100 GBP. Because of these prices, many Swedes prefer to travel to Poland or Estland for dental treatment. Even so, I think 400 euros for ONE new tooth may be a figure taken out of the blue. You can get a full set of dentures for that as they are heavily subsidised by the government. The rest I can't comment on. It doesn't seem to have made the news here.

Darn! I knew there'd be catch to it. I'm She's devestated.

No. I'm afraid it hasn't been mentioned.

News reports here today state that the latest opinion poll in Britain shows a swing towards 'Remain'. In the next breath they state that "Britain's opinion polls are notoriously unreliable". That's got all angles covered I think.

Of course I have friends! You must have misread all of 3g's posta as well. He's always referring to my "friends".