Alan Edgar (Eggy1948)

bewildebeeste :- In reference to your original comment under the photo - if this wasn't long before closure, then was the roadway improvement just another way to add costs onto the mine balance sheet?
And why did this Archibold have it in for Bates in particular?

high pit wilma :- Spot-on!
Mind,this tactic was employed as far back as 1964/5,by the Labour Government who were in power at the time.
Dr Beeching closed all the scenic and small railway branch lines,and the Minister of Fuel and Power started closing all the "Uneconomic" pits.
They transferred men from all the pits around ,in batches of a dozen here and a dozen there,like from Newbiggin ,Hartford,Hartley,North Seaton,Seghill,etc,TO Choppington
High Pit,doubling the workforce from 300-odd,to 600-odd,virtually halving the output-per-manshift,while,at the same time ,demolishing the perfectly working steam winder/house,
and building a brand new electric winder/house...which was more trouble than enough.
It tripped out every two minutes,and lost a lot of coalwork time.
Also,they decided to "modernise" the shaft top and bottom areas,installing rams to push tubs into the cages,and doing away with the flat sheets.
All this investment and no increase in coal production[which was impossible,cos they 
hadn't organised winning out more faces,to take the extra men],deemed the pit to be
"Uneconomical"
Mind,a was pleased at the time,cos a went ti Bedlington A pit...a much better pit for conditions. 
They put £30million Dosco Roadheaders,in stripped down sections,on trams,into a disused seam "inset" halfway down the shaft, at Bates Pit,just to exaggerate operating costs artificially,as well as other costly measures,to justify the plan to close the Pit...
then when closure was officially announced,they quietly shifted the Machines from their hidey-hole in the shaft,and moved them to Ashington Colliery,and did the same thing there with them,deeming Ashington Pit for closure like the rest of the pits in the coalfield,under thatcher's pre-conceived plan.
Noo,that's not hearsay,i actually saw the same machine sections at Ashington,when i was transferred there![STILL WITH BATES 3/4 SEAM SCRAWLED ALL OVER THEM!]
Archbold,for a few years,kept sending grossly under-powered face supports,down the Three-Quarter Seam,hence the depressing photo's of R20's on this set.
Lots of times men were injured,and nearly killed,by the legs on the face chocks bursting,under severe roof pressure,and a lot of pressure from goaf-breaks,pushing the whole line of chocks,[70 at a time] forward towards the coal,and flattening the whole chock-line like a box!!
I think [only my suspicion],that if Budge hadn't destroyed most of the records at Team Valley head offices,when his staff took over,a lot of skeletons might have been found in Archbold's cupboards....
It had already happened in the past,where officials had accepted holidays abroad,gifts,etc,for presenting contracts to these mining companies......
Why was he risking LOTS of men's lives by refusing our Manager's request for more costly,but more efficient sets of face supports...[it would have been for 200 per coal face]
...a lot of money to wangle contracts with eh?
DO YOU SAVVY,BEESTE?

high pit wilma :-

Today is Sunday 16-1-2011,and a few more unreported disasters,in China,Russia,and other countries,have taken place,just like it does every week that goes by.....so important is the life of the miners....and their widows..and families left behind......
I heard a news report [in English],on Short wave radio,["Voice of China" radio station..],
that 3000 miners are killed,and many more badly injured,or missing underground,due to roof falls etc,EVERY YEAR!
......AVERAGE OF 60 EVERY WEEK GOD SENDS.....AND DOES ANYBODY CARE.....?
NOO!,.....a notice nobody has come on here ti accuse me of being slanderous ti thatcher -thi- hatcheter,or any other of her cronies.....cos i speak the truth!!

Dr. Drewboy :- i heared stories about them... really hard men!

high pit wilma :- Hi Drewboy!
My heart goes out to any miner in the world,and thier families,when disaster strikes them,as it does to mankind generally,but i have an affinity to the men who are the salt of the earth,and get no thanks for doing a uniquely dangerous job.

high pit wilma :- 

It is now 26 -11-09, and 108 miners have been reported killed in a massive gas explosion,in a Chinese coalmine,550 metres below ground,
unreported number of injuries to the rest of the 500 miners who were underground at the time of the blast.
NO COVERAGE ON BRITISH TV THAT I KNOW OF,NOBODY IN THE STREET TALKING ABOUT IT,LIKE THEY DID ABOUT M.P.'S EXPENSES SCANDAL.........
MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MINERS LIVES....ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.............

morrisoxford61 :- I am stunned, I never realised nor even thought about the fact that the mine went outside of the land
10 miles out to sea thats amazing, once you were at the bottom of the shaft how did you get to the pit face/ sorry to ask a daft question, but I have no idea, , if you kept going you would have ended up under belgium?
what did these men inspect for on the shaft, is it some form of movement or cracking?
and how long did it take to go down and check the shaft

high pit wilma :-

Hi Morris Oxford,i should have been called MG.MAGNETTE MK1V..!
[ONE OF THE LOVIEST OLD CARS I EVER HAD..A 1963 ONE...]
Anyway,the shaftsmen had,by law,to examine the shaft walls,for any signs of side pressure causing damage to it,also they had to check the condition of everything in the shaft,i.e.the "skeets"..[cage guide rails,which keep the two cages held in their respective positions,so they don't crash,in the middle of the shaft,like they often did at Choppington "B" pit,in the old days..]
They had to apply thick black grease to the skeets,regularly,examine pipework,which carried mine water to the surface,and electrical cables,for any obvious signs of damage.
They also had to transport unusually bulky or large bits of machinery,or heavy girders,down the mine,by "slinging" them UNDER the cage on chains,in the old days,they slung the pit ponies
under the cage in harnesses to take them down,or bring them up to the surface!
The shaftsmen,could be on top of the cage for a whole shift,if the job needed them to be,for hours and hours,that's why i wouldn't have the job for a proverbial "gold pig"..[northumbrian miners slang term!]
They have a lot more duties than i have space for here.
We faceworkers used to get a "manriding locomotive " set,inbye,for 
a few miles,then jump onto a conveyor belt,for a couple more miles,walk a couple of miles,another "battery electric" loco set,for another mile or two,walk a bit more......then when you got inbye,you were knackered,before you started,but the job didn't magically go away...it still had to be done,regardless how fatigued you were...mining toughens you up...[this was to get into the Plessey seam at Bates pit,which was over 12000 metres to the last officially designated "meeting station"..where the deputy of the district you were in would record your names,and tally numbers,in a book
provided by the government,[mines and quarries act].,before you actually went onto the coalface.
The 3/4 Drift,where these pics were taken,was about 4 miles inbye,maybe a bit more,and we had a 2 mile ride in on a deisel loco
manriding set,then shanks pony,the rest of the way....![soaking wet,cold,depressing,you just wanted to go back home to your nice warm bed,that you had just left,at 12-0 midnight...........]
Do you think i was a "greedy miner",like the tory press used to print in their gutter papers..........?...!!
Latest news from China...25 miners presumed dead,missing,search goes on for more,over a 150 being treated for malnutrition ,after being found in an emaciated state,having survived by eating the bark off the pit wood timber props,and drinking filthy mine water.........ANOTHER DISASTER IN CHINA,UNREPORTED BY OUR GOVERNMENT.
At least we DID have the protection,[in latter years..i.e.,of the mines and quarries act...]
My heart and soul goes out to those guys,and their famiies who are left,in that Country....especially when we are importing "cheap"[?]
coal from there...and we left 60 million tons of virgin clean coal,under the sea,at Bates pit,alone...!![ today is 14-4-10]

morrisoxford61 :- NO I never thought you were greedy miners in fact a friend of mine is a policeman near retirement and he had to go up for those big protests
talking about it one day he told me how difficult it was to police because he respected the miners and his job was safe by comparison
he made a good few friends their
I think like so many things in goverment back handers were involved, masonic practises, golf course meetings etc
thats how its done
they shut down the pits to buy it in from overseas and get a backhander or a good pension from it or act as consultants
what they shouyld have done in the miners strike was to ask the general public to come up and visit you and see what it really was like, that would soon have swayed opinion
I wonder if any one will ever buy a mine adn run it privately, would be amazing to bring them back to life at a profit
after all cheap coal from china still has to get to this country and that costs money

high pit wilma :-

Aye,Morris,if ever they do open up the existing mines,like Bates,people will stand in awe,at the amount of machinery and equipment,like all the hundreds of miles of really heavy duty,6,600volt armoured copper cables,massive transformers,sub-stations full of banks of heavy switchgear,miles and miles and miles
of conveyor belts,haulers,miles of steel hauler ropes......i could go on and on...[as i usually do!],because it makes me very angry,every time i think of the hundreds of millions of pounds worth of gear left in all our nation's pits,not just this one,by a greedy selfish uncaring government,who i am sure,were really acting in their own interests.
Thanks for your comments !

BigLoada (deleted) 9y

Hahaha! A "gold pig". Classic Northumberland phraseology man. I love it.

BigLoada (deleted) 9y

I pity these poor English folks here now you have been let loose on Flickr!!

high pit wilma :-  Howw! If thi waant photo's doon a geordie pit,thiv gotta expect geordie twang as weel...cos aam an aad geordie pitman...!!
ER....sorry folks, just went on a bender there.....!!

BigLoada :- Just noticed the title. For anyone not from Northumberland, "Marra" means "mate"!

billsharp :- I knew a shaftsman when I worked at Cambois who said "If I go over the edge just cut the chain, because I'll be dead before it tightens!"

high pit wilma :- Hi Bill,yeah,i wouldn't have the job for a gold pig...!

Bill Carnaby :- Done this job mate -first time you are really scared -then your just thankful you could do it again! 
Great memories

high pit wilma :-

Thanks Bill!
Yeah,i knew a lovely natured lad who was a shaftsman,at the auld pit,in Bedlington, i was carrying on with him at the start of our shift,then i went inbye to the coalface.About 4 hours later he died in the shaft,due to a tragic accident.
He had the biggest funeral that i have ever seen,bar none.
Everyone,including management,and engineers,etc,were there ,cos he was so well-liked throughout the pit.
When i think back about accidents like that,it brings it home to the dangers miners faced,but never thought about during the course of their daily lives.
Coalmining has a lot to answer for.............

BobbyG25 :-

Hi HPW
Interesting to here about the explosive side to your job.
I remember testing the Beethoven exploders in the workshops at Bates. We used to use little yellow caps to test them.
In the gold mines they used to fire a level at a time and only when the mine was totally clear. Sometime you could be out shopping and you would feel the shots going off.
and that was from 4500 ft below you.
I worked a good bit on the winders at Bates and the shafts, went down inspecting them. interesting to see this photo of the Baths, I used to change next to Ronnie Campbell, knew his brother skinny Campell, wonder how he is doing these days.
The gold mines had a lot of Methane in them so I was surprised to be asked to take some sausages down one morning for a Barbacue........... yes and there right before my eyes down at 4500 feet we had a barby and a smoke.......wonder if its changed.
Better go now, take care HPW.......

high pit wilma :-

Bobby, those were thi days my friend,we thought they'd never end, we'd cut and drill....and fire every day,we'd catch thi loco oot,off ti thi baths we'd shoot,those were thi days,oh yes those were thi days....la la la laaaaa,la la,...........!!
[it cums natural ti a brilliant muso like me......!....mind,a DID try ti keep me day job,till yon b.............ugga,med sure a wadn't gaan doon a pit ever again,cos it was a working man I was,and I worked down und...er..ground......!!!!!heh heh!] 
Are yi still oot there Bobby?
Ye probably dae knaa that Ronnie Cambell has been thi Blyth valley M.P. for thi last 20 years..[a think it'll be 20 years...]
A didn't knaa his Brother.
Keep a hauld ,Marra!

skida :- My good lady's dad, the late Frank Herron was a banksman at Bates, after moving from Crofton, and we have really enjoyed looking through you photos Wilma. Thanks.

high pit wilma :- Hi skida,noo...!.....it's a smaall world,as we aal knaa,but did Frank live at Hollymount Square Bedlington by any chance?
Many thanks for your kind comments,and i am pleased you had pleasure and nostalgic memories from seeing them.
Cheers!

skida :- Hi Wilma. Frank was a Newsham Man and as far as I know never lived in Bedlington. His daughters used to have a great time going into Bates' canteen where the dinner lady spoiled them. I am no fan of Thatcher and it was interesting reading your comments and getting an insight of the miner's perspective. I doubt this country will ever recover from the loss of heavy industry, especially in the North East, which resulted from her government allowing the fat cats to invest profits made here to be invested in sweatshops in the third world.
Cheers

BobbyG25 :- Hi Wilma
I was at Bates between 1964 and 1972. Spent most of my time in the Plessy seam on mech faces.
Served my apprenticeship as an electrician then stayed on till the strike then went out to South Africa, gold mines. That was an eye opener.
Never mind I'm retired now and can spend my time thinking of those wonderfull times crawling along the face with water every where and dust coming off the machines especially if they where cutting through a fault. Those where the days !!!!!!! theres a song there some where ..............
Take care
Bob

high pit wilma :-

Hi skida,aye it's a different Frank then.
I used to take my two Sons fishing at Blyth pier,35 years ago,and we used to call in to the canteen to get our pasties,which were huge,and my two lads loved them,especially on cold winters days!!
There's a lad called Davy...? worked at the Plessey,and he says his greatest wish is that thatcher [ no capital t for her...i'm petty!],dies before him,so he can witness her funeral with glee!!
Cheers!!
Hi Bobby,i started Bates in June 1971,as a Deputy,up at 8's [84's faceline]in the Beaumont Seam.
I came back into the N.U.M. in 1978,onto Composite work.[known as Development work
at other Pits.]....winning out new roadways and coalfaces,installing the mechanised conveyors and face chocks etc,and doing any specialised work that we were called upon to do.
I went down the 3/4 drift and pioneered by blasting out the back drift from the start at the top,just past the south loader...that was a humdinger!!!....150 pounds of Polar Ajax
[P1] in 50 x 9ft long drillholes,using 0-15 millisecond delay detonators,fired by the Beethoven 1500volt dynamo - "battery"..[ not really a battery..cos it was a dynamo-capacitor exploder...]
The rule was,because we were so close to the South loader cabin,which was built on an overhead girder framework,in the main roadway,about 200 yards outbye side of us,we had to let them know when we were going to fire..so they would open both doors of the cabin,and so relieve the air pressure,to prevent damage to the cabin.
Well,for a while that went o.k...........
But one day,i was under a lot of pressure,with a fault on the detonator circuit,and after a 
lot of time spent checking the wiring,i finally had a good reading on the ohm-meter,so i went and fired the shots............
There was hell-on!!
The pressure-wave from the shots actually lifted the steel cabin,with all the hydraulic
control gear for the loader,plus the loader-lad,and pushed it outbye on it's framework,for a few feet!!!
The loader lad thought his end had come,cos he didnt expect it,mind...he let me know about it when he saw me!!
No danger from the shots mind,just pure air movement!
I remembered after that to let him know i was gonna fire!!
Was it as scatter-brained in the goldmines,Bobby?....bet it was hot!!
Cheers,and thanks to you both for your comments.

hoggy03 :-

Hi Bill, My dad was just telling me about the masons cabin (blue shed) in the pic and how someone wrote above the masons bit "free" thought it was funny, did you know/hear about it?

high pit wilma :- Hi Hoggy!
Naa! Nivvor hord that one,but very typical wit of aal the tradesmen,with the exception of one or two real canny lads like your Dad,[he was always just like he is,canny and quiet,and very sociable..].
Mind,Russel will confirm that you had to have razor-sharp reactions to stand up to the wit of the younger fitters and sparky's,some of who are now deceased,at a very young age.
The conditions we worked in were bad,but the banter was great,like i never experienced in factories and small workshops,after i left the pits,in 1987.
Comradeship second to none.

BobbyG25 :-

Seeing these pics takes me back a few years.
Yes it was hard working underground those days but have to admit I enjoyed it.
Sure my bad knee is caused by crawling along those coal faces.
Take care 
Bob Gregg electrician 1964 1972

high pit wilma  :-

Hi Bob!
I started Bates in June 1971,and as it's so far back in time now,i canna place you.
Were you in the Beaumont or the Three-Quarter seams?
I was a Deputy when i went to Bates from Bedlington A pit,and was all over the whole pit,at various times,so got to know a lot of the men over time.
I went back into the N.U.M. in 1978.
Did you go by a nickname,Bob,cos lots of lads i worked with for years,just had nicknames,and,funnily enough,i never knew the real names of some of them....odd?!!!

Dr. Drewboy :-

i have never heared of 6-legged roof-supports but in germany it was the same with the investments... the miners said "when your mine get's new showers/headgears/whatever it will be closed next year."!
germany's biggest headgear in "göttelborn" never really extracted coal. or "schlägel & eisen" shaft 4 got a modern, 70m high headstock which just was in use from 1986 to 1990 and the new coal blending bed was finished in 1987 and also worked until 1990...

high pit wilma :-

Hi Dr Drewboy!
Yeah,in the 1960's,when we first got mechanisation,we had Dowty 5-legged chocks,with 
adjacent,and full 6-batch control.[that was after using Dowty hydraulic props and face bars..!].
Then we got Gullick 6-legged chocks [4 legs at the back,and 2 at the front,supporting the canopy.Each leg could withstand 100 tons roof pressure,so each face chock was referred to as a "600-ton face chock".
Problem was,the goaf used to push the legs forward,and cause the roof to fall,flattening the chocks to the ground,like squashing a beetle,the roof pressure in the 3/4 seam was so great.
We got a new design of chock called the "Rev-lem",which had huge,thick armoured bracing
plates,at each side,like grasshopper legs,which allowed vertical movement of the chock canopy,but which also prevented lateral movement,so the canopy couldn't be pushed forward by the goaf falling in.
One coal face alone,installed with these chocks,made Bates Pit profitable,but when we asked for more,the area director refused us them,and sent us the old style Gullicks,which he,and everybody else, knew,was a risk of human life,to work under.
As a result,thatcher,our prime minister,made the excuse we were unprofitable,and closed the pit.
It was all contrived from the start,cos she knew,and she actually said it,that if she could break the Miners,she could break the T.U.C,our trade union movement....and she DID!

hoggy03 asked :-

Hi Bill, Did the NCB have spares for everything or just a select few things that would be needed ASAP, if they where damaged or broken for the pit to work.

high pit wilma reply :-

Hi Hoggy! Most spares that were considered essential,were kept,and that, was a lot of spares!! On one aerial photo,i have put notes on,and you can see a complete face installation of hydraulic face chocks,stacked in double rows,which would have cost a million pounds back then......then then there was spare shearers,Dosco Roadheaders [costing £30 million each!].....pumps,conveyor belt driveheads,and structure.....etc etc...! A lot of that stuff was sent down the pit and never used,just to put the costs onto the colliery Manager's budget,and so deeming the pit to be uneconomical.....cos as long as it stood in the pit yard,it was costed to the area plant pool..,but the minute it was put into the cage to go down,the Manager had to account for it. I was talking to a Welsh ex-miner at Beamish museum,a few days ago,same age as me,and he said they did the same thing in all the pits down there,one by one,to deem them "uneconomical",as an excuse to close them. He said they left hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of machinery down there....... .....and he isn't the only one who has told me tales like the ones we already know! Cheers,Hoggy!

No 13 = DAVID KIRKUP.

Foxy's image of the portakabin added to the compilation

Not shown in the image I took of Reedy's dads list they were three more pubs listed and they were :- The Odfellows Arms, The Bridge Inn and The Queens Head. I couldn't find any info on them and thought they might have been pubs outside Bedlington Town.

dunlinds, on this site has commented :- 'Re Oddfellows Arms Hotel: My Great great Uncle - Edwin Taylor Dale - took over the hotel in 1867, as per attached snippet from Newcastle Daily Chronicle. This doesn't show the location of the hotel, but I found a photograph from Northumberland archives dated from 1974 which suggests that the 'corner' building was The Oddfellows Arms.'

The newspaper snippet + archive photo + google street view 2016 combined :-

No 11 SURR not SURTEES & No 10 COLIN WILSON not CHEESMAN.

I know what you mean about the jumping classes. It was the norm at Barrington. Anyone in class 4 that they thought had the potential to pass the 11+ jumped class 5 to spend 2 years with Mr Hunt in class 6. 

Mick Young (Waverley Drive) was adamant that in the partial class photo c1958 No 7 was my brother Derek as he was in class 6 with him but our Derek had jumped class 5 and spent two years, one with Mick, in class 6. The No 7 is my other brother, Dennis, that did not jump class 5.

Attempting to drag the memory back 50 to 60 years does throw up some interesting results. There is a 1960 Class 6 photo in the album that I stared at for days before I realised No 15 was me!

Hopefully there will be more class photos dragged out of old shoe boxes and we can work the memories some more. 

Names, supplied by Facebook members from Bedlington Remembered, Bygone Bedlington & sixtownships groups added to the photo.

clanbull - This is Kingsley Wake = No 11 on this 1955 photo - he was named by Alan Dickson, No 8,  and Ernie McGeorge (not in this photo). As this is Class 6, end of term photo, they would all be 11 years old (or a few days off) in this photo, ready to move on to the senior schools in September 1955. 

No 12 = Derek Johnson says a young lady, from the same year group, Lorraine Gilmour (nee Armstrong) now living in Canada.

I'll see if I can find a football photo, with Kingsley on, to post in the Bedlington Grammar School Album. Across the field from your house at Roslind Park would be Gordon Harnet & Tony Green that Derek often hung around with. The lads I remember from your street, heading up to Fontburn & Coquetdale, would be George Darling, Jimmy Cummings, Ian Chochrane, & George Frazer.

I'll repost the photo when I have updated the names. 

41 minutes ago, clanbull said:

More names into the melting pot.

No 7 Billy Richardson, not Tom. No 13 John Thomas. No 15 definitely Ann Lawson note no e. No16 Margaret Clouds. No 23 Patsy Marshall, not Pat. No 26 Jean Morris a definite. No 43 John Little, possible, not Jefferson?

No 37 I should have remembered as her mother was a very good friend of mine, moved to Grange Park.

No 11 Kingsley Wake his father owned a butchers shop at the Oval shops. Very good footballer scored 9 goals in one match I seem to remember.

That should be the lot.

Dragged up a few memories thinking of those.

Cheers clanbull - I knew Kingsley Wake, and the butcher's shop at the Oval. There are quite a few football team photos of online with Kingsley on (late teens & early 20s, not 10 years old like this one), I would never have worked out it was him. My memory has him as ginger, slightly wavy/curly, not straight blonde.

When you say No 16 = Margaret Clouds do you mean No 17 that I have as Margaret Douds?

I lived in No 5 Coquetdale Place and was 2 years below this lot at Barrington CP - No 10 is my brother, but he is no longer with us.

13 hours ago, clanbull said:

Girl at number 16 is Anne Hunter.

Barry Hunter - Bygone Bedlington site says - That's wor Anne.

No 17 could be Flo Anderton, says me.

No 1 Tut Thomas, No 7 one of the Williams lads, sooth Raa - No 3 Dodda Marshall - No 10 Joe Stewart & No 13 could be Roly Davies, says Alan Dickson of the Barrington, Barnt' n  memories and stuff!! Facebook group site.

6 hours ago, clanbull said:

.... Also there was a girl called Jean Morris who lived in the pit row by the railway at the station pit. Just cannot pull her face from memory!

Remember there was a - Jean Moralee. Could that be the one you are thinking of, No 26?

12 hours ago, clanbull said:

Sorry the girl at number 36 is Ann Lawson. 

clanbull - posted the photo, with your updates, on facebook group - Bygone bedlington - and Lillian Wilkinson (could be Lillian Shields) added a comment :- '24 Anne Blyth? 25 Brenda Mynott 29 Irene Hutton 36 is Elaine Aisbett 37 is Margaret Scott.16 Edith Robertson.'

So what do your reckon for No 36 - Ann Lawson or Elaine Aisbett? Now that Elaine's name is in the mix I think it could be. I was mates with Elaine's younger brother David in the 1960s. There was also an older sister Margaret and they lived at No 1, Waverley Avenue. 

14 hours ago, clanbull said:

Front row sitting at left Tony Turnbull.

Girls standing 5 from left Muriel Williams

Girls sitting second from right Ann Laws on. 

Cheers clanbull - numbers added + your 3 names and a few more from Alan Dickson (Barrington, Barnt' n  memories and stuff!! = Facebook group)

I thought this was class 3 and therfore c1954 but now believe it is Class 5 and therefore 1957 as my brother, Derek Edgar, left Barrington CP, from Class 6, in 1958. 

No 1 - Terry Nicholson says No 2 John Krzyanowski.

Eddie Dickson - No 16 - has named a few :-