Tonyp, Symptoms, There is a lot of merit for both systems but not everyone in lucky to have good health all their working life (I have been quite lucky!) not all poor health is self inflicted! Heredity, FAS, ADHD, accidents etc. How could we separate them? Fact, the rich will always be at the front! is it fair? shortens the line a bit... If you could sort out the malingerers, leaches, etc from the system I think most health services would be quite successful, Q. where would drunks and drug addicts fit in the scale along with obese and smokers?