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Maybe the time has come for the bleeding-heart left to face some of the cost their religion of "multiculturalism" is imposing on the rest of society. That probably goes for politicos (of all persuasions) who insist on interfering in regions of the world they don't properly understand. They're very quick to point out the supposed economic benefits of mass immigration, but simply don't want to discuss the enormous cost of all this added "security", or the impact on innocent victims. Asylum-seeker who avoided deportation after public campaign faces JAIL for sex assault And - wonder of wonders - an overpaid HoC committee has only just discovered that 36% of all asylum applications are from pure economic migrants (mostly illegal) who are quite obviously playing the system. Keith Vaz finds this "deeply concerning" - well, welcome to the world of ordinary British folk who have been concerned about this since Blair quietly opened all the doors to satisfy his international elitist agenda Mr Vaz! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/14/third-of-asylum-claims-come-from-illegal-migrants-and-visa-overs/ May might now be urging a rethink, but, as our former Home Secretary, she's not at all blameless. If her excuse is that she was constrained by EU law then the wise British public have now removed the impediment. We need much more clarity from her government than we've seen so far.

Interesting article in the massively EUphile Financial Times:- The inevitable sour comment from a Remonian "Wonderful irony. Vote Brexit to keep out Johnny Foreigner and now look what happens!.... " entirely misses the essential point that tourists bring us some of their wealth, leave in a timely manner, and create jobs, not undercut native Brits in theirs!

No time to follow the thread at the moment, but - as the above flashed up on my phone - a point of information:- Olives are harvested by non-labour-intensive methods. Several ways to do it, but generally nets are involved, unless a flaily machine thing is used on pre-rolled ground. Whatever... there's no shortage of experienced drivers/machine operators/net gatherers in areas that have been economically devastated by the eurozone. The only jobs for illegals would be in the raking the last remnants up. You can't depend on this source of labour anyway: they are all heading for the legendary state benefits in Northern Europe, and mindful that Mutti Merkel simply can't get enough of this cultural enhancement thing. So, you can see their point: why stay in a place where you actually have to work to subsist?

What exchange rate would you like to see? You really need to tell us instead of these silly juvenile jibes. How about 35% overvalued like the Italian Euro? Result: absolutely no economic growth since Italy adopted the Euro, and now mass unemployment. If it wasn't for the 600,000 plus Italians that have been forced to flee to the economically enlightened UK to earn a crust Italy would be even further in the EUdoodoo!

Oh good - the Corbyn type of war then: invite the invaders to tea?

Great, some proper discussion, without ducking issues! I don't tend to have bar room arguments; the people who's company I enjoy don't get on my nerves! I like the "tend"! I suspect that the people "who's company I enjoy" defer to you for the sake of peace an quiet, and keep their thoughts to themselves. Only a suspicion! July 20th, you wrtote: "If there is more than a handful of genuine refugees - as you seem to believe - then why are they practically all young males?" Yes, I do believe there are more than a handful. Yes, that's a question you need to address. Look at the photos of refugee columns. Are those photos faked? Those pictures broadly accord with what I see with my own eyes, and I'm not in denial about what I see. Relative to the millions who are coming, it is fairly clear that only a tiny percentage overall have been displaced from their homes by military action. There's also evidence that rather a lot of non-Syrians blend in, and lie about their origins. The Germans employ a private firm, and their verification procedure is to ask the individuals where they came for. Don't you think that in these smartphone days there's a lot of conferring as to the best things to say? Reportedly this private firm has no comprehension of regional dialects or accents. And, you've ducked my other question about the eight points of the compass here too. "I did not say that the illegal immigrants I see are Syrians." Good, now we're getting somewhere. So, what is your take on the Syrians, fleeing the war zone (you accept it is a war zone?) Are they refugees, or economic migrants? You see, I thought the above comment - the one from July 20th - referred not to African illegal immigrants, whom you now talk about, but to Muslims seeking refuge (or not). My take is as above. They are a mixture, but genuine refugees tend to want to go home at the earliest instant. They also tend to want to live with their own peoples in their own region, and don't want to travel further than they really need to. Why make getting back to your locality after the conflict has passed over it any more tortuous or expensive? The vast majority of these people are seeking a new life in a country where they are told "the streets are paved with gold", and have no intention of returning anywhere at any future date. Consider: even if you lived in a war zone but didn't feel threatened yourself, don't you think you'd be inclined to exaggerate the dangers if there was a one-off opportunity of bypassing the immigration controls of a much more prosperous country? A country which was prepared to give you generous hand-outs to get established there, and one where you already spoke the language! I, too, have plenty of experience of immigrants (both legal and otherwise) thanks to my regular visits to the area around Boston, in Lincolnshire; the town itself has a strong Eastern European community, and I'm not sure all the women are prostitutes. Mind you, I do know how to tell an illegal immigrant: he will wear a long coat which, when opened, reveals not only a selection of fake Rolexes, but ducks poached from the local village pond, and perhaps the odd fish. Plus, he will speak in a dodgy accent, and be generally unclean. Either that or they work in the fields and drive taxis. You don't see what is landing on the Southern shores of Europe. The people you see - unless they've got in illegally - have been filtered by our immigration services who reject the majority of asylum applications. Those economic migrants have an alternative strategy, and it requires a little patience. (Islam is unbelievably patient though!) They take up Frau Merkel's (and the Swedish) over-generous invites, and then become EU citizens, at which point our immigration services have no say in the matter. This is a problem for the future unless we Brexit pronto. The reason a lot of immigrants don't want to learn the local lingo is that their English is generally a lot better than the local's English (Witness the altercation between the Swedish bus driver and the immigrant on yesterday's news), and their ultimate goal is to get to speak their good English in the country that claims to have originated it! Please don't distort what I said about a very few young immigrant females - I say what I see! The rest of Europe isn't taking all this lying down: Hungary taunts Merkel over terror and says 'our problem is not in Mecca, but in Brussels'

But now you can't "be bothered" to find my words to quote them accurately - well, well! I say what I see, and I don't make things up; nor do I constantly put words into other people's mouths! I did not say that the illegal immigrants I see are Syrians. Most of them seem to be North or Central Africans, but they try to conceal their origins by throwing their temporary papers away. They believe that they are better off without the paperwork they are given, and I can only conclude that this is because it enables them to pose as refugees, or merge into a refugee stream at some point on their travels North. I think this is the general consensus locally. Is this constant distortion of what people say an example of how you "win" your bar room arguments?

You know where this leads, don't you? Woman arrested over threats to Labour MP Naz Shah The irony here is that Ms Shah (a Muslim, and herself temporarily suspended from the LP over alleged anti-Semitic behaviour) did a spell as a PPS to a certain John McDonnell. If that wasn't irony enough she is being threatened by other Muslims for investigating "a so-called honour killing". Our first glimpse of Shariah Politics? Interesting comment on the Falklands. You believe we should have done nothing when they were invaded?

Have a safe journey! "We" already have a team there that has delivered the messages that they simply don't want to hear, but thanks for the offer. I know quite a few people who would like you to press the (immediate) (BR)Exit button.

Would you please stop attributing things to me I have never said! At no time have I said there are no refugees. And, it's a damnable lie to claim that I've ever said that all muslins are terrorists. No, I don't read the Daily Mail, and only arrive on the DM website on the odd occasion someone links me to it. It's nothing to do with which newspaper says what, it's the evidence of my own eyes and ears. I PERSONALLY MEET many illegal immigrants here, and that I have yet to meet one that tells me that he's fleeing from anything but a miserable life. When I find a someone who tells me he is fleeing from a war zone then you will be the first to know. Yes, they are virtually all young males and heading for Northern Europe. The only immigrant females I've seen are prostituting themselves out in the country on minor main roads - and there aren't that many. I don't make these things up and there's no need to exaggerate an already desperate situation. Illegal immigrants are sensitive to being photographed but I will try to get you some pictures in the coming weeks.

I think you need to improve this "scan reading" - it was a clear reference to my typo. Where did I say you are a Labour supporter? I said you might want to consider standing for them as they are desperate, and made a joke about you getting into the shadow cabinet, but that's hardly a claim that you are a Labour voter. I think I also referred to your views as left-wing Liberal at one time too, and you didn't object to that. Bananas relate to monkeys? Hand bananas to monkeys - ergo, the people who don't vote the way you think they should are monkeys? Correct me if I'm wrong. Clever would be to answer a few simple questions honestly. Always the best way of getting at the truth - ask any lawyer.

That's the royal "nobody else" is it? You haven't "bothered" to answer any searching questions for quite some time; bold unsubstantiated assertions work in the bar do they?

I'm saying that anyone who bills assassination of our politicians as "an act of goodness" probably isn't fit for high political office - no more and no less. That's the proposition, so if you believe he is fit then discuss freely. To answer your questions: a) I'm positively trawling for other opinions here, so that's clearly untrue. b ) Discuss the limits of "free speech". c) What is this anything? Don't you accept that there are limits to what should be said to the impressionable? We aren't talking about things which are said in private - this guy is addressing a public meeting that any nutter can attend! d ) ??? e ) I see very little evidence that there are right wing influences at school. On the other hand maybe I've simply been to the wrong schools? f ) Now we are getting silly! The open question here is "Is this really a joke?" I don't know the answer to this, though I for one have an open mind to what others say. Chill, and discuss rationally or ignore the topic entirely. We can accommodate all shades of opinion here without rancour, but detachment takes a little effort on all our parts.

Possibly an affect of the major BT DNS failure. Despite BT's statement that this is fixed customers still seem to be having issues. My thanks to Andy too - particularly as he reconfigured it under quite difficult circumstances.

You're right; I'd completely missed this. They are still short about £24.5K. I'm tempted, but will it do any good?

Great fun ganging up on someone when they don't have the time to take you on. Not quite as much fun when you are asked simple straightforward questions that expose your paucity of argument and evasive tactics. Have fun but don't do this to anyone else!

Careful, or we'll have a complaint from the CL/Merc-alliance about "hate speech" toward birds off prey.

Meet our Shadow Chancellor! Imagine for a second the reaction if someone from the right got to his feet and said this sort of thing to a public meeting concerning a Labour leader. Yes, this time around he's talking historically, but he's still offering the proposition that assassination is an acceptable ("an act of goodness") political tool, and at some point a political activist will pick up on this. I don't think this guy is fit to be anywhere near public office.

It seems to be of more interest to the non-Blairite sections of the Labour Party than the Tories. To the Tories Blair is history, so there's no point raking over the ashes unless/until there is something to be gained. That something might be the Blairites getting control of the party again. Aren't private prosecutions in the pipeline though?

"You said, quite clearly, there were no more than a handful of refugees. Yes? You did, didn't you?" --- And, your source of this deliberate misquote is....? [Note: you probably need to consult cohort CL for help here, because she's spent hours scrutinising my past posts.] "I couldn't care less about their religion, or race" --- So, because of this newly-assumed attitude, none of the straightforward questions I've put to you on the subject need to be answered? OK, fine; I will keep them in abeyance until you start to care again. "My role in the local bar is one of friendship" --- I'd like to hear that from said alleged friends, because I suspect you employ the same bluff, bluster, and awkward-question avoidance tactics there too.

Twist an obvious typo and then imply that it was spin! How clever! Have you thanked CL for the up vote here? She's has no answers either, but is still rooting for you. I think she deserves a better champion. "Bananas for all?" Your contempt for the electorate is only matched by your paucity of thought. With this in mind, have you considered standing for Labour; they are getting pretty desperate these days. You'll probably make the shadow cabinet in a fortnight.

LOL! That's a supreme effort in the cause of issue avoidance, and arguably deserves the (unfortunately now discredited) Nobel Peace Prize. Could you detail any particular instance of this "hate speech" please, and we will have it very thoroughly investigated by a third party? I think what you actually mean is that any discussion or attempted discussion about the Islamic belief-set must be suppressed, discredited and shamed by all means possible, because that's the way it is in morally superior Sweden. The reality is that I embrace your Muslim friends, and have already offered you the opportunity to increase the gift. So, again: I am more than happy to hand your visiting card out to many more. But... let's now remove the barrier of having to tediously post me a supply of visiting cards as I can assist you with this chore: With your permission I will hand out slips of paper with your contact details on it, and the advice that if they make it to Sweden they are sure of a warm welcome from my friend there. To show my sincerity I will provide each such "refugee" with a 20 euro note to help them on their way - every such gift to be documented and posted here. There is obviously a limit to this (unlike the apparently unlimited supply of so-called "refugees") so let's say only the first hundred. That's two thousand euros into the pockets of arguably the most needy, that only needs your say so. I wouldn't worry too much about the actual numbers as I'm likely to be handing out more €20 notes than will ever take up your kind offer. Can we agree on this joint humanitarian effort, or are they no longer likely to receive the welcome they would have received if you'd acted earlier? BTW what is really puzzling me is that if these threads are as "dead" as you claim then surely they're nothing to get animated about? Try some of the popular press comments sections if you want to go on a hate speech crusade - you'll find this far more fruitful than my "boring" observations.

Since long before we had a formal code for organising such protests. http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Organising-a-protest-march-or-static-demonstration/1400002380711/1400002380711 Point me to an Islamic country that has a code for organised dissent with the ruling cliques please? When you are a guest in a foreign country you are particular sensitive to the doings of miscreants of your own nationality. Well, at least you are unless you tacitly support them! Here I'm going to quote that hotbed of right-wing extremism The Guardian: Not something we are going to "uproot" if - like you - we are in total denial that such ideology even exists! What Makes Islam So Different? Despite your constantly running down your own country I don't see the need to cast doubt on your origins.

I think the title of "The Reformation offers a good lesson for Brexit" offers a clue here. What would this recovery be from? If it's the disastrous affects of the Brexit vote I think you are utterly on your own on this one now. Yes, only the left's distorted interpretation of things holds any weight, and democracy is something that we can take or leave as according to convenience (EU style). 52% of the electorate are moral deviants, or ignorant, or utter fools! There was no ridiculous scaremongering on behalf of Remain, and everything Leave said was a lie. I guess we will just have to live with this until the glorious revolution, comrade - when those 17.5M morally deviant fools can be re-educated. Would you like me to bring you a pot of tea at the barricades?

I don't see any "Of course"; I see an everything is black or white left-winger who's pet theories are being overtaken by events, and who is floundering. Can you point out these "elements of Christianity" that are worrying, or is this another of your bald statements that falls to a simple straightforward question? The old canard is to take a paragraph from The Old Testament and compare it to the Quran. This precludes the fact that Christians regard the Old Testament as a quaint historical record that must be interpreted in a modern context. On the other hand the Quran is a manual for life that is violently beyond criticism. The Quran specifically and repeatedly exhorts Muslims to go out and slaughter infidels. It is the evil life-manual of an utterly evil belief set, and to compare it to any other religion is an ignorant slander. "anything other than refugees" Sheer delusion! The overwhelming majority of the people flooding into Europe are simple economic migrants. Refugees have a desire to go home when their home situation is resolved; these young males have no intention of going back where they came from at any point in their futures. More bald unsubstantiated statements! I see hundreds of these people with my own two eyes, and get to talk to a random selection. Generally their English is far better than the natives here, and they are keen to illustrate this. Of course I can't admit to your superior viewpoint of observing them from over my pint at Weatherspoons, but we'll all have to live with that. At no time have I said "that there are no refugees", so your worry is ill founded. I am placed to observe what you are not, and as I've said I have yet to meet one of these alleged refugees. Every one I've talked to is simply seeking a better life - ergo, they are undoubtedly economic migrants. And you've once again evaded the direct question: There are eight points of the compass for refugees, and Arab countries like to be known for their hospitality. Please explain why the compass for your alleged refugees only points North West? Please explain why they are pretty much all young males? Bullets, bombs and missiles don't discriminate in the way you'd like to suggest! Actually, you are doing your very best to illustrate that you don't think deeply or rationally. You can't reason far enough to separate an inherited belief-set from the basic humanity of a human being. Every one of the economic migrants I meet is only doing what any of us would do: seek a better life. But, a significant proportion of them come with a cultural payload that is entirely incompatible with 21st century Western culture. That cultural payload trashed their own countries, and is set to trash ours. The other consideration is that the sheer scale of this economic migration is beyond anything we can reasonably absorb without significantly depressing our own living standards. The refusal of the left to acknowledge both these factors is a folly now being exposed in Germany. Germany has an excuse - their massive post-war national guilt complex - but our own left have no such excuse. "They are people, something you might want to consider" I assure you that you have no monopoly on basic humanity, and that I've met many more of them and determined that they are indeed "people" than you have. This is no more than the usual left wing tactic of claiming moral superiority on entirely fatuous grounds. "(after all, you're the one who, when referring to Muslims, ten to use "they"; I wonder why?)" I'm sure CL will be able to more ably help your musings about English grammar here. You're now floundering! You haven't directly quoted what I said because you'd then need to include the words "Not too far I hope, for the sake of the UK economy." Willing your own country to fail is despicable and traitorous in my book. The overwhelming evidence is that all the dire "expert" predictions were wrong. Those "experts" now admit this (yes, even the IMF) but not you, and you imply that I don't live in the real world! It seems that everyone is "massively wrong" but yourself, and you've recently compared me to a saloon bar loudmouth! Here, I'm left wondering about your own role in the local bar.