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Of course there will! I mean haven't you seen the incredibly intricate patterns on the latest high-fashion suicide vests?

You don't need to wonder, I never hide my views. I've said several times I would not vote for Boris myself, though out of what's on offer from establishment parties he's the least worst option. And, yes I listen to the news, and KNOW that Gove has knifed him in the back - it's the Tory party! I don't like May, and Andrea Leadsome seems like someone who could make things work, but ultimately I will be campaigning against whoever they choose. On economics and the future my bank balance proves my objectivity there, and the fact that my judgement is more often right than wrong - though I've never been at all motivated by money. Next question?

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When politicians say things like that they generally mean how do we get the highly impressionable to think like us and vote for us. Young people have young people's things to do, and they will "get involved" at their own pace.

Muslim Gangs Enforcing Sharia on London Streets And now we have a Muslim mayor of London(istan) this immediately becomes state policy. All courtesy of the multicultural Labour Party. A pity that their multiculturalism precludes our own. Vote Labour - Vote Auto-genocide!

Sturgeon can't even carry her own grossly over-represented little party. I was chatting to a SNP member the other night who'd voted out, and told me he wasn't an exception by any means. She's fuelled by the cross-generational hatred and envy of the English, and greed for more of the UK cake. The UK should just give Scotland a free pass to check in our out of the UK whenever it wants, on condition it abandons the pound, UK funding, and the Barnett formula every time it checks out, and only joins on the same terms as other UK citizens when it checks in again. The border would remain open unless it was being abused by non-Scottish nationals, or illegal imports; at which point Scotland would be required to pay all the otherwise unnecessary ongoing policing costs. That would kill the fishy people's political ambitions stone dead, because the very fact that the UK was prepared to freely grant this would mean that the Scots would reject it out of hand.

Oh yes, I'm arrogant, and ignorant, and have "half a brain", and what were the other things you've labelled me with recently? Education isn't wisdom; in fact these days it's often quite the reverse. Your looking down on voters because they don't ascribe to your own blinkered mindset is the epitome of elitism! I'm most certainly not "branding" you as a liberal, the LD's are anything but liberal, and they are anything but democrats too. If you had an ounce of the "intelligence" you profess I wouldn't need to explain that to you. We will prosper outside the EU, every business person I respect is of that opinion, and my own long business experience accords. What successful business enterprise have you ever controlled? The wet behind the ears kids have an excuse, but you have known a Britain that isn't constrained by the World's largest trade cartel, and a putative super-state that is hostage to the German guilt complex - so, what's your excuse for terminal naivety?

The markets didn't crash - despite the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation doing its very best to engender financial panic - and the people who sold the UK short got their fingers burned.

How pathetically elitist! Yes, you really should be in the Liberal anything-but Democrats. Everyone makes mistakes (yes, even people who think they "understand the consequences"), but a lot of those mistakes cancel. The main thing is that the people have the opportunity to correct those mistakes, and your elites make damn sure that they don't get that opportunity when it doesn't suit them - actually most of the time! There are likely far more people who were influenced by project fear than believed that legal immigrants would be sent home. And, even if there are significant numbers of people who believed that, are you telling me that they'd not prefer a points based system with strict caps to what we've had in recent decades? On the other hand do you think the large number of people influenced by your elite's baseless scare stories wouldn't change their vote a few months or years down the line when it's clear to all just how risible that narrative is? The NHS will benefit for being out, and in more ways than a proportion of our EU budget contributions. The argument now is the scale of that sum, not that the veracity of the principal. The fact that the population doesn't really know what the EU does stems from it's own stealth strategies, and its anti-democratic nature. The people have made the right choice, as will become very clear to all. Your elites have been pursuing their own agenda, and not that of the people. I'm sorry you can't see that.

I think current research says that the age you fully grow up at is 43. Obviously some do a lot earlier, and some never do! Another very good reason to make it mandatory that you can't go straight from university into national politics without a fair period of working in the real world. The need for older and wiser leaders is a historical lesson we've unlearned.

Seems like you need to join the Liberal we're-anything-but Democrats Merc - they'll be campaigning for us to join the Fourth Reich quite soon.

Do you notice who is sitting behind Nigel in seat 165, taking it all in, moe? It's Marco Affronte of Five Star and they are waiting until October to give Juncker THEIR version of Nigel's speech on behalf of Italy.

...then decide to vote for the opposite of what's best?

Started a few months back but should gain some momentum now - please post the link elsewhere.

Don't give up hope; there was a report earlier today that the whispers in the corridors of the BBC are that they might not have been accurately echoing the feelings of real people "in the provinces." Doubtless there'll be a working party tasked with investigating this startling revelation very soon. What better use of our licence fee could there possibly be?

The odds would depend on exactly what you mean by Brexit. The way the EU and politicos generally work is by fudge. It's highly likely that we'll be presented with a situation that the establishment parties claim is a Brexit, but Ukip supporters disown as not in the spirit of the referendum result. Maybe that's what everyone secretly wants, because then the show can go on and on?

I think a slightly better question is what would HMQ do in those circumstances? She's only been dropping hints so far, but she's supposed to be the ultimate guardian of democracy. She has removed elected governments in other countries - so there's a precedent.

I think the point of the referendum was that we join the world again.

My argument was that Dougan is highly influenced by EU money, and also the civil service position - his other paymasters. Your argument is that he's a disinterested academic, which he most certainty is not! You position generally is that all Journalists "need to sell newspapers", and so practically anything they say is not to be believed, whereas academics in no way suffer from funding bias. Due to recent events all you NOW need to do is to browse the university websites to see how such a partisan view is highly blinkered. Academics have now gone into overdrive as to how they are going to replace EU funding to maintain their empires. They have ever lost sight of the fact that the teat they feed on is ALL originally UK food processed through an inefficient Brussels system in a way that maximises their dependence on surrogate mother EU. I'm tempted to say that if a reborn UK won't readily come up with funds for their research, perhaps they should consider the possibility of getting a real job! But I won't, because I'm not enough of a philistine as to claim that all academic research doesn't perform a useful social purpose - just a fair bit of it! In any event I think UK politicos are a bit better placed to decide on such matters than a remote peripatetic bureaucracy that often needs a cohort of translators just to understand each other. If even a bit of what Dougan claimed is true then he's now in hog heaven, because his specific "services" will be in demand by government for a good while hence. Then, maybe - as you indicated - he can simply move to the EU, and so relieve the UK taxpayer of his support burden - hoorah, and the best of luck to him! As I say, time will now illustrate exactly how seriously his lecture needed to be taken, so there's no need to speculate.

Sorry not enough hours in the day to answer all your syntactic nitpicking. I stand by the basics of everything I've said. You're up to your usual tricks of ignoring the principal point (and essentially about 90% of my post) - my answers to Dougan's questions were namely: a) As a law professor he should know the answer to his own question: the answer is the Vienna Convention says that precisely nothing must happen to either. b ) Again, the answer is nothing. There are several fundamental errors in your train of thought regarding the working Brits in the EU figures. It starts by transposing my statement that "the vast majority are retired" into the supposition that I'm talking only about pensioners. Then you transpose that to meaning state pensions, then make the further unjustified logical leap into assuming that the pensions sent directly overseas by DWP equals the total number. My "retirees" would in fact include anyone who is not holding down a state recognised job, and so include people who may simply be bumming a living from family and friends in a nice climate - of which I'm personally aware of an odd few. The principal of GIGO now has a good hold here, so for you to go on and compute people legitimately employed in EU jobs by differencing becomes risible. No, you have not proved my statement wrong, and it's well on the periphery of what I said, and barely relevant to the principal answer even if this were to be the case. Sad that you acknowledge that he has grossly inflated the figure, and that in fact my off the top of head recollection UN figure is still slightly too high, but give me no credit at all for that, whilst trying to make excuses for a highly-paid professional and "government adviser" who should be in full possession of the facts, and also provide some faint provenance for his overblown statistics. When I said "The future though is" it was an expression of personal opinion, and an educated guess. I am allowed to have an opinion, without that right being attacked. No, I did not mean millions, the "responsible for disbursing" boast was clearly quoted as billions. If "£579 millions of direct funding" isn't "much of its funding" then the reader can decide for themselves if I over-egged the statement. I've no interest in university funding as such, and the statemented that you quote “If you don’t boldly present a project as EU funded (even though they only stump up 50% most of the time)” is regarding general EU funding, and true! Now that we are exiting the EU we have the perfect opportunity to assess just how much of what Dougan was saying was pure UK government/EU propaganda. He didn't expect that!

That's what happens Tony - simple economics! Some dastardly union guy presses for far too much and the work goes to a Chinese sweatshop, for evermore! Hey, even I know that Wansbeck Council is no more - and they say that I've been away too long! I will pass on the job offer as it might mean I'd have to join a union, or is it double standards? Cameron wouldn't know what a working person was; he's never held down a real job in his entire life. Nor will he ever!