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I don't see any "Of course"; I see an everything is black or white left-winger who's pet theories are being overtaken by events, and who is floundering. Can you point out these "elements of Christianity" that are worrying, or is this another of your bald statements that falls to a simple straightforward question? The old canard is to take a paragraph from The Old Testament and compare it to the Quran. This precludes the fact that Christians regard the Old Testament as a quaint historical record that must be interpreted in a modern context. On the other hand the Quran is a manual for life that is violently beyond criticism. The Quran specifically and repeatedly exhorts Muslims to go out and slaughter infidels. It is the evil life-manual of an utterly evil belief set, and to compare it to any other religion is an ignorant slander. "anything other than refugees" Sheer delusion! The overwhelming majority of the people flooding into Europe are simple economic migrants. Refugees have a desire to go home when their home situation is resolved; these young males have no intention of going back where they came from at any point in their futures. More bald unsubstantiated statements! I see hundreds of these people with my own two eyes, and get to talk to a random selection. Generally their English is far better than the natives here, and they are keen to illustrate this. Of course I can't admit to your superior viewpoint of observing them from over my pint at Weatherspoons, but we'll all have to live with that. At no time have I said "that there are no refugees", so your worry is ill founded. I am placed to observe what you are not, and as I've said I have yet to meet one of these alleged refugees. Every one I've talked to is simply seeking a better life - ergo, they are undoubtedly economic migrants. And you've once again evaded the direct question: There are eight points of the compass for refugees, and Arab countries like to be known for their hospitality. Please explain why the compass for your alleged refugees only points North West? Please explain why they are pretty much all young males? Bullets, bombs and missiles don't discriminate in the way you'd like to suggest! Actually, you are doing your very best to illustrate that you don't think deeply or rationally. You can't reason far enough to separate an inherited belief-set from the basic humanity of a human being. Every one of the economic migrants I meet is only doing what any of us would do: seek a better life. But, a significant proportion of them come with a cultural payload that is entirely incompatible with 21st century Western culture. That cultural payload trashed their own countries, and is set to trash ours. The other consideration is that the sheer scale of this economic migration is beyond anything we can reasonably absorb without significantly depressing our own living standards. The refusal of the left to acknowledge both these factors is a folly now being exposed in Germany. Germany has an excuse - their massive post-war national guilt complex - but our own left have no such excuse. "They are people, something you might want to consider" I assure you that you have no monopoly on basic humanity, and that I've met many more of them and determined that they are indeed "people" than you have. This is no more than the usual left wing tactic of claiming moral superiority on entirely fatuous grounds. "(after all, you're the one who, when referring to Muslims, ten to use "they"; I wonder why?)" I'm sure CL will be able to more ably help your musings about English grammar here. You're now floundering! You haven't directly quoted what I said because you'd then need to include the words "Not too far I hope, for the sake of the UK economy." Willing your own country to fail is despicable and traitorous in my book. The overwhelming evidence is that all the dire "expert" predictions were wrong. Those "experts" now admit this (yes, even the IMF) but not you, and you imply that I don't live in the real world! It seems that everyone is "massively wrong" but yourself, and you've recently compared me to a saloon bar loudmouth! Here, I'm left wondering about your own role in the local bar.

I have met loads of immigrants as they get their first foot on European soil; I have yet to meet a single one who any rational person would class as a refugee. There are eight points of the compass for refugees, and Arab countries like to be known for their hospitality. Please explain why the compass for your alleged refugees only points North West? Please explain why they are pretty much all young males? Bullets, bombs and missiles don't discriminate in the way you'd like to suggest! Once again - because the distinction seems to be very hard for you - my problem is with Islam, and it's a problem we all share if we are honest. Ask yourself what Brits would do if the atrocities that are now being perpetrated were being associated with them. We'd be out on the streets to the last person showing our disgust and demonstrating solidarity with our hosts. Where are the Islamic protest marches, or at least those that aren't organised by ex-muslims? I will refrain from characterising you, and I don't frequent UK bars. Here you are attempting left-wing labelling (a substitute for thought) once again! If you have an open mind then google on ex-muslim and read what ex-muslims have to say about Islam. You'll find plenty if things to support your wooly-minded ideas of fraternity, but at the end of the day any rational person will need to admit that Islam is an evil belief-set that no free country should tolerate. How many more times do I need to say that the pound is just fine where it is? It's the only visible affect of the Brexit vote for you to point to; all other indications have totally confounded economist group-think, and the honest ones have already admitted this. Even here predictions were for a 20% fall in Sterling, and the last time I looked it was a modest 8.3%.

Keep talking down your own country down Merc; even after all the other false starts the sunny uplands of the internationalist New World Order are still within our grasp. Though, maybe you need to explain to us voters exactly how putting the UK under control of international capitalism, and hammering down their wages achieves this? The problem with any means to an end is that the means become the end.

I don't have any problem with Jews - quite possibly because I'm not a member of the Labour Party. I don't have any problem with ex-Muslims either, or indeed most Muslims on a one-to-one level, where they are well away from the evil influence of the religion of peace. I provide a tiny bit of financial support now and then to Muslims taking up Mrs Merkel's over-generous invite to help them on their way. Interestingly, they aren't actually fleeing from anything other than a miserable life in yet another country trashed by the evils of Islam. I don't go around implying people who I don't agree with are extremists in order to demonstrate an "obvious" moral superiority. My "sort" see the world as it is, not as we FEEL it SHOULD be. My "sort" don't suppress information that doesn't fit our narrow narrative, and don't shout down others. My "sort" does not feel a need to dominate and obliterate other cultures and nations to promulgate a supposed New World Order. My "sort" progress by enlightened self-interest, and not by re-writing the dictionary. My "sort" are the rational people of this world.

I told you it was written by one of your Remainian chums Merc, so undoubtedly I'd be gifting something that you could cherry pick. Uncertainty is part of life, and you can't wish it away. It's the fuel of progress (and the stock market). That propaganda about Remain having a monopoly on "progressivism" fell flat at the referendum, and it's wearing thinner by the day. As for a time when the world was "a very, very different place": I will simply quote from that stellar "progressive" Mikhail Gorbachev.

The pizza turned into a really nice meal out in a deeply suburban square with the locals of the next town - way off the tourist path. Unfortunately when I selected the restaurant's WiFi key the "religion of peace" ruined the whole thing by slaughtering another 8 or 9? innocent people. Well... the BBC Guardianista narrative - following the German self-delusion - is that these are possibly white extremists, but other media is being a little more transparent. As you asked my opinion on cycling: if I were a female in Sweden I certainly wouldn't be going out cycling alone; go to the Gym, preferably a busy one where you are surrounded by burly Swedes.

At very least 7.5Km every evening when it cools off. €100 bike is almost 10 years old, but has all the bolt-ons and is still rather good. On the roads here you really need that cantilever sprung rear wheel. Just come out the pool. Yes, desperate for a (small) pizza. Ciao!

This is always what happens when you bump into a few Swedish Democrats... A.K.A moral inferiors, and filthy racists.

Kipling?! No need, my mum bought 'IF' for me when I was little and hung it on the wall. Can't say I've still got it word for word, but most of it is still there. The WSJ is good reading though: Shall we agree that the answer to his question is an emphatic NO?

Article 50 was designed 'NEVER to be used' - says the man who wrote the EU divorce clause "When it comes to the economy they have to lose.” Hmm... what a truly marvellous club to belong to!

What, no afterlife?! You do understand that that's so heretical that you could easily be slaughtered on the spot? Meanwhile, do leave the shorts in the drawer. You're right; I think I will convert to Islam. Do they do waterproof Qurans - so that I can study in the pool?

Yes, I know, I know, all journalists, of all political persuasions - including left-wing journalists who really really wish it wasn't true - lie in their teeth about Sweden (to sell newspapers), and everything government-bought academics say is unassailable. How's the planet that Sweden has moved to doing, though it looks like Finland (and likely Norway too) is still on planet Earth? Finland showdown with Brussels after Finns rule 77% of Iraqi migrants could be sent home Follows: Attack on credibility of DE ("direct lines to the tory government and now this" - different paper of different political persuasion, actually). Syntactic analysis of text to demonstrate that black=white. implications that poster is know-it-all simply because he listens to the breadth of what is being said ("My word you do have inside information on a lot of things"). Patronising derision ("You may just have read way too much Enid Blyton as a youngster.") Argument invalid because poster carelessly hit apostrophe. Ad hominem attack on people the poster profoundly disagrees with, but respects their views and right to say it (Red Ken). Declaration that poster is mentally unbalanced. (Lost argument flag). Let's change the subject (What's the weather like where you are?). ...anything but address the actual issue raised in an honest manner. Obviously missed quite a few there, but I'm sure you will help out! [UPDATE] Thanks! Quote Kipling to falsely imply poster is upset (I like the Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools bit, myself.)

Merc, did you notice that your Remainian friends are talking about you in the Torygraph? How Brexit can set Britain free to boom again

The 24th June 2016.

Yes, I'm irritated that you are exploiting the rules to post off topic here. (Though nothing like as irritated as you get when I wind you up). But, you know, (forum) rules are the rules, so please go tell the people who are bad losers, and who you are supporting, this. The norm is not the subject for conversation here, and you become acclimatised after three or four years.. We just have to hunker down in a pool, and maybe order a new aircon now and then. And, of course, there's siesta. If you can't afford the (politically) inflated electricity prices - they are far higher for non-residents (politics, again) - you can always go to a shopping mall and use their aircon over an unbelievably cheap cup of coffee until near sundown. It's a hell of a life, but it still beats the frozen North for most of the year. Pity about the economy being trashed by the ECB, but things will change; the Italians may be slow at times (this is balanced by the need for speed), but they certainly aren't stupid.. Was there still too much politics there?

Wouldn't it have been more appropriate to quote the actual phrase you referred to in your assertion? (This would have enabled more accurate syntactic analysis by cohort CL.) Do you want Sterling to fall, or do you want it to rise, and against what reference? A simple question, and a straight answer would be nice. In the absence of an answer your position looks a bit like the position of the Labour Party on many issues: we will will cherry pick reality to suit our narrative, even if the overwhelming body of evidence says we were utterly wrong. My own position is clear: "the pound is fine just where it is." Today's rate is well off the recent lows and maintaining a fairly steady €1.20 and that's just fine. All hell is about to break lose in the Eurozone, so you'd be well advised not to bet against your own house. As I've already said, our problem now is that we are still far too close to the EZ for comfort, as we have been foolishly committed to the ESM for political reasons. Unlike yourself I truly hope I'm wrong, and that the ESM demands won't roll in. If they do it will be political dynamite, and another affirmation of the urgent need to leave.

Yawn! The usual diversionary ad hominem attack - this time on good old Red Ken. I agree with hardly anything Ken says. BUT I think Ken is an honest man who says what he genuinely thinks. Ken recently spoke about Nazism and made some interesting, utterly factual, observations. The Labour Party doesn't like the truth, and failing to shut him up suspended him. (To use your words: shame on them.) Unlike yourself I don't feel any need to agree with anyone to give them credit for being honest and transparent. Ergo: Yes, really! [Don't worry, I'm working through the other reams of rambling misconstrued garbage and diversionary off-topic stuff, as time permits.]

The Bedlington View on the timing of Brexit.

So where is there an explanation of WHY the taxpayer is required to fund the defence of a multi-millionaire? Is he hiding behind his former office? Anyone?

You entirely miss the point - it was rhetorical. The point is that we don't know the extent of the problems in Sweden because there is an establishment cover-up taking place. The ruling elites are covering up the consequences of their own pet political theories. Like CL they are in all-out denial mode. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival If there is more than a handful of genuine refugees - as you seem to believe - then why are they practically all young males?

I know about what I know about and say clearly when I don't know. I don't give a XXXX about the "Oxford comma", and deploy commas where it seems logical they should go. Also I don't constantly imply you are a "know all", even though a lot of what you say is unreasoned leftie cant - though often tinged with some interesting economic realism. As I've already said there is nothing to recover from - the pound is fine just where it is. If Italy could devalue its currency like that it wouldn't be the economic basket case it now is and people here wouldn't be really suffering. Actually, it would now need to devalue by over three times the UK adjustment, and the debt spiral continues. I think the Italian politicians could say to hell with the ECB and recapitalise the banks anyway, but bank recapitalisation isn't enough as it is still labouring under a currency that is now about 35% overvalued. I think the sad truth is that there's no other visible affects of the Brexit vote to point to, but you really really want there to be negatives. Prove me wrong here; open your eyes to just some of the many positives, and stop talking down our great country.

Actually it's two if you count the potential for new Land Rover production. You ignore the essential point that the mass relocation of business isn't happening, or even being considered. Not "are very concerned" but were sounding very concerned. Economist group-think also affects business leaders, but there were also many business leaders who saw the upside who's views weren't given full exposure by a largely EU compliant media. You are referring to Jim Ratcliffe, and in no way did he want to not pay the taxes due. He asked for a little flexibility in scheduling, and like many things EU no flexibility was forthcoming because one size fits all. Well... we have the flexibility now, and you are going to "be more than happy" when we use it to the advantage of the people of these isles. I'm more interested in home-grown enterprise than imported, but both will happen. A further eurozone crisis is just months if not weeks away, and we are still too attached for comfort. October does not look good.

Rather than companies relocating to the EU as was claimed the reverse is happening: Ineos moves international HQ back to UK Interestingly:

IMF slashes UK growth forecasts after Brexit - but Britain will still outstrip Germany, France and Italy Obviously a quite different IMF from this one: IMF says Brexit would trigger UK recession