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I notice you skipped over the important bit about mass immigration, and the reason for mentioning dental care in the first instance. Could it be that TT suffers from a bit of establishment pressure that colours its output? Try RT instead! Interestingly Five Star has just won the mayorship of Rome with a rather attractive young lady candidate (well.. this is Italy), and EU puppet PM Mario Renzi is on the run. Except... that Renzi himself has been making disturbing (to Brussels) noises of late, and their undemocratic placeman may yet turn on his masters. That Italy will drop out of the Euro is inevitable, but the previously unthinkable now seems a possibility: that Italy will quit both the Euro and the EU. For those that don't know: Five Star is the Italian approximate equivalent of Ukip, and votes with Ukip and many other smaller parties in the European Parliament as the Europe of Freedom and Democracy group. At the last general election it polled a massive 25% of the national vote, cutting right through traditional party loyalties; it's still on the rise as this latest result (67% of the Rome vote) illustrates.

I raised the likely resurgence of EFTA on another thread, but our Scandinavian buddies are certainly thinking along the same lines. And why shouldn't they - they've been trying to hold out against German domination of Europe for decades, and waiting for the economic power of the UK to set a lead. It's now or never! A genuine free trade area will be over the dead bodies of Merkel and Hollande, and snake-oil -salesman Cameron, and all their cohort of control freaks - but... if that's how it has to be! That there is a sane alternative to the EU is something the Remanians never want to discuss, because it's far too close to what we all voted for in 1975 for their comfort. In fact the EU has tried to stifle and kill off the European Free Trade Area (EFTA) but it has bravely held out. The Leave campaign isn't the government so can't set out exactly what will happen, so the Remain campaign cynically uses this to sow fear, doubt and uncertainty, and conceal the alternatives to something that it admits is deeply flawed. The fact is that the UK and ALL our European friends will rise to the opportunity presented by Brexit and build a better Europe; don't let Europe down by being fooled into believing in a status quo which simply isn't on offer. A Leave vote is a freedom vote - not just for the UK but for the whole of Europe (including the oppressed Greeks where another round of punishment is being lined up for after our referendum). A Remain vote is essentially anti-European, anti-democratic, and the dumbest vote you will ever cast in your entire life!

More highly venomous snakes here too - I put it all down to global warming.

Have they got this angle covered? Poll: Majority of Swedes want to leave EU in case of Brexit I think you'd be in a race with the Danes though. The few Norwegians I've had contact with really really want us to leave. It would actually give Norway and EFTA a lot more clout as we'll undoubtedly rejoin that club quite quickly. It was daft to leave EFTA - and also cut our commonwealth ties - in the first place. Interesting that the Remanians never want to talk about EFTA.

Oh look, I've found some more "racist" posters!

If the photo had been retouched in any significant way there may have been grounds for complaint, but it hasn't! The people comparing it to a Nazi one need to take off their rose-coloured glasses: the Nazi one shows both sexes and children, it's quite hard to spot any females or any children in the modern one. Q) Can you explain why practically all these so-called refugees are males. A) You are a FILTHY @@@@@@@@ RACIST! Q) How can that be true when I advocate considering taking anyone from anywhere in the world according to qualifications or true refugee status, and you support a European enclave which discriminates - even impoverishes - people who do not fit a European identity? A) I'm not answering questions from a RACIST!

Or could it be that they now think that in Cameron and Osborne they are flogging dead horses, and that whoever the Tory Party now elects is going to be anti-Brussels? Most Tory MPs are EUphiles, but 70%+ of constituency parties most certainly are not. So, it's make your mind up time for a lot of Tory MPs - a total rethink or be deselected. The pressure will be on the instant Dave is pushed out. Dave sneaked by his own constituency association by lying in his teeth. They actually called him back for interview because they suspected he wasn't being totally honest. But, he fooled them a second time, and they are furious. When he was elected party leader he became untouchable, but it wouldn't surprise if they put the boot in when he's forced out, especially as he has been trying hard to sideline local associations. No local Tory association is going to make a Cameron type mistake again, and candidates will be very thoroughly investigated. Boris knows all this and more - he's well ahead of the game.

Having initially supported Cameron and Osborne, and the official Tory line, quite strongly, The Telegraph is now recommending readers to vote Leave. Its reasons for switching are: It concludes: The full article is definitely worth a read. We must vote Leave to create a Britain fit for the future

The one Ronnie wants us to watch!

I was generalising such acts there; it's not the time to talk about the specifics here because we don't know all the facts, nevertheless tell me where did I say any other than that Mair is undoubtedly "unhinged"? I'd agree with you that they are all spinning it in their own way whilst pretending not to be, and that's unseemly. Here I wouldn't exclude her husband from that observation. He has a right to be distraught and say a few silly things, but from what I've heard so far he's systematically politicising the tragedy.

An "anti-terrorist squad" is involved these days if you park on double white lines. We must be seen to be doing something isn't just a politician's disease. When someone like that performs an extreme act it's because they've misread the social signals of others, often from the fringes. The entire group feels it's the only way, but no one but the loner will act, and when it happens the rest will distance themselves from it. How can you identify which individual will act - well of course you can't, and neither can the police, but they are expected to. The cause isn't the availability of weapons, or a (temporary?) mental state of one individual. It's not even the existence of the group, but the reason for the existence of the group. The group will only exist if there are social pressures demanding it, so it comes back to those who create or allow those social conditions to persist. And... hey presto... that's clueless politicians! So there's likely not a huge chasm between Mair's distorted thinking and hard reality - though he obviously wouldn't be reasoning it from that angle.

And, the one which takes its justification from the other: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/680969/Manchester-machete-fight-Moston-police Seems a Union Jack was involved .. fill in the dots . It's not a "well of hate" it's mutual stupidity! The prize for this goes to the elites who benefit from mass immigration in many ways themselves, and aren't remotely inconvenienced by it. Unskilled and unemployed native people feel powerless seeing their country occupied, and the elites quote massaged statistics at them, and demand an intellectualised response! Glory be! Likely time to do it the French way and "prune the top of the tree" comme un avertissement pour les autres! Intolerance breeds intolerance, and you can be just as intolerant mouthing off your pet theories of how the world should be, without considering its impact on the status quo, and the people you're been put there to represent, as you can joining a reactionary extremist group. Nutter Mair took one life, but has anyone even put an approximate figure on how many lives Tony Blair's conscientious interventions reaped? When the price of salving your conscience paid in other people's lives, it's undoubtedly better to go through life with a somewhat grubby one.

‘Better late than never.’ Source: http://www.spectator.co.uk/comic/trump-4/

Maybe you need to apply that same extrapolation method to the immigration figures too? Anyway, if you are even half right in relation to the actual poll, my forecast is that in the 2020 GE Ukip will win 400+ seats, and there won't be a second referendum because that will be an implicit mandate to revoke the European Communities Act 1972. One thing is totally certain: whatever it takes and however it pans out, we will be out of the EU within a decade; so it might just as well be now, when it's less painful.

Well... they aren't going to, are they? All we get served up is this facile crap like "fighting" a "well of hate". Where do Cameron and Corbyn suppose this "well of hate" is lurking, if not in the mind of a lone crazed individual already in custody. The star prize for inane drivel must go - once again - to Gordo. Well Gordon, it HAS happened in Britain before; it DID happen in Britain yesterday; and precisely how do you propose that it will never again happen? Your other automated response: "it's a global problem" would have been more telling, though of no more avail. Our politicians need to learn that when there's nothing of use to be said, they do have the option of not saying anything. A simple shake of the head is all it takes.

Maybe someone should have pointed out to him the essential irony in buying "FREE SPEECH" publications on the very same order as he bought the plans for making a gun!

Where, where , where????

I'd imagine that any ancient civilisation who employed the wheel, or even used log rollers, could claim some origination by throwing down a couple of lengths of wood on boggy ground. I'm talking about the practical deployment of course, and in particular the revolutionary flanged rail which now spans the world. And, when continental rail museums have Bedlington locomotives (or copies thereof) proudly displayed as firsts, and we don't even have a bloomin' picture on display anywhere in the town, and seem intent on belittling our own heritage, it's a rather poor show! Stratford on Avon has built an entire industry out of a local hick who didn't even spell his name the same as the actual guy, and illustrates him by a fictitious bust that was sneaked into the local church under cover of darkness in fairly recent times. Our history has real substance, and our connections to the Stephensons irrefutable. Nope, it's not just the politics, it's a total lack of imagination as to the possibilities! If it's a squiggly red line then right click on it and add it to your local dictionary.

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Thomas Mair: Man arrested in connection with attack on Jo Cox was 'a quiet loner who kept himself to himself'

TT? It won't make the BBC until the Guardian has approved it as entirely PC! There's probably a now rapidly-filling tray marked Hold until 24th June. Actually, not all BBC news editors are beyond the pale, but the bad has tended to drive out the fair-minded. It's a bit like posting comments on the BBC website: you rapidly learn that you are wasting your time and what actually appears is only a what they want to hear. Anything remotely criticising the BBC itself, no matter how politely it is phrased, will be ruthlessly deleted under the flimsiest of excuses, or otherwise consigned to a moderation committee where it will languish for ages until it is no longer topical.

The Swiss applied to join the EU 24 years ago. Since then they've become less and less convinced that it was the right thing to do, but have left their application on the table just in case circumstances changed and/or the people had a change of heart. They even agreed to be part of Schengen, but two years ago asked Brussels to allow them to set immigration quotas to protect their public services and standard of living. Their polite and earnest request was turned down flat by Merkel and her cronies. That's about the time they decided they'd had enough, but didn't do anything much about it at that time. Well... in a beautifully timed move just seven days before our referendum, they've told the EU to consider their application withdrawn; that it can forget that Switzerland ever applied to join, and that they are utterly set on being an "independent sovereign nation". This is designed to hit the EU at the most embarrassing time, and also send a hearty message to British voters. At least half of Europe (including 61% of the French) are hoping we are going to give the Eurocrats what they've been asking for for over 30 years, and we mustn't disappoint them. We're part of a great continent that is being trashed by its political elites, and a continent that once again desperately needs our leadership. We are never listened to in Brussels, and our sincere and well reasoned reform proposals are always outvoted. It's no wonder that Cameron got nowhere with his watered down proposals, and ended up dropping five of his nine "lines in the sand" and neutering the other four. But, we CAN exert very powerful "influence" for the reform that Cameron is always going on about through our referendum result. In fact a Brexit vote will shock Brussels to its very core; it will then have no option but to start listening to real European citizens, and not the international business lobby groups who currently pull all the strings. Don't fall for the simplistic lie that a Leave vote is being a "little Englander". Amongst other valuable things a Leave vote is being a responsible and caring European - just like our Swiss friends! Love Europe -- Hate the EU -- Help Europeans -- Vote Leave

Oh, clean forgot: don't like that song. Try this great one instead (and note the lyrics).