keith lockey

I passed the Sierra Hire garage today and caught a glimpse of the nissan hut - set back and to the side of the main building. (The gas tower used to be nearby) Does anyone have any history about the hut.

The American Indians used to call the train the Iron Horse but I think I'll leave jumping in front of moving objects to those who think they know best. Unless it's a nude Kylie Minogue jogging by my house - now I might jump out at that.

Golden rule, Maggie, learnt at great cost, Never open an email unless you know whom its from. I once opened one and got a load of p.rn and another crashed my computer. So do be careful regarding unrecognised emails. Just don't open them.

John, was the submarine HMS Onyx? because we went to see one at Blyth about the same time.

AND THE ANSWER IS... THEY HAVE ALL PLAYED GEORGE ARMSTRONG CUSTER Errol Flynn They Died With Their Boots On Ronald Reagan Santa Fe Trail Richard Mulligan Little Big Man Robert Shaw Custer of the West Gary Cole Son of the Morning Star

We've got Grandstand seats.

OBVIOUSLY GOT EVERYONE STUMPED SO I WILL POST ANSWER AT 10PM TONIGHT.

Sorry for the typo, Symptoms, well spotted, that's what you get when you are in a hurry and multi-tasking. I should learn to type with my fingers instead of my toes.

And you said mine were bad!!!!!

Does that mean I can turn my semi-detached into a brothal? (I make a mean pan of broth!)

GIVEAWAY CLUE THEY HAVE ALL PLAYED THE SAME HISTORIC CHARACTER

I didn't say she had mental health problems, Maggie, that wasn't me. In fact I put this debate behind me sometime back, only it keeps resurfacing. I would prefer that everyone moves on from this stalemate, as you said yourself, we all have our own opinions about this issue, even the historians can't agree upon that incident so long ago. So let's say R.I.P. Emily Davison.

Seriously!!! Resorting to cheap cartoons when the argument goes against you. Why not tell teacher on us and be done with it! "Please sir the two Keith's are ganging up and putting a viable argument forward."

I don't know about the psychiatric hospital, John, but she had a record of arson attacks and militancy and I read somewhere that fellow suffragettes said she worked, at times, without their sanction. She did have many 'stays' in women's prisons and threw herself down some iron steps once. My main argument ALL ALONG in this thread is that the whole affair could have been handled better. The jockey could have been killed and the suffragette movement could have been damaged by such an incident. Even suffragettes agree on that point. By all accounts she seems to have been a loose cannon but she became a martyr and only bad guys go against martyrs, so I'll dust off my black hat and wait for the audience to boo and hiss at me. PS Even historians are mixed about this whole incident. I wish people would just let her RIP.

You didn't answer my questions, Maggie, and I don't understand your reasoning, BUT try this one, from Germaine Greer of all people. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-politics/10089541/Emily-Davison-was-she-really-a-suffragette-martyr.html

How do you think she would have been remembered if that jockey had been killed? Can you imagine the damage she would have done to the suffragette movement in such a case! As far as inspiring "new suffragettes", what new suffragettes? And if a mad woman throwing herself in front of a horse is inspiration to others then their world is a sad place to be.

Newsreel footage, Symptoms, you knew what I meant. Everyone has seen the newsreel and methinks this would have been shown in theatres etc. The whole premise of that documentary was the angles of newsreel footage trying to prove if she tried to commit suicide or place a banner on the horse. But in your second part you doubted whether my scenario would have got coverage in the paper...er...the whole incident got coverage, that's why there was and is a big furore. That's why we are bantering this on this forum. The EWD affair was a big issue and wasn't hidden from the public and I do believe I have seen it in the history books. Those same newsreel cameras and newspaper cameramen would have been able to capture a row of suffragettes parading down the course with a banner saying GIVE US THE VOTE. Instead we have images of a woman being knocked down by a horse.

When I was a young whippersnapper of fourteen summers, I went to Epsom and Newmarket with the prospect of becoming a jockey. I had an uncle who had connections (!!!) Anyway, when I went to both the above places they told me in no uncertain terms that I would break a limb within my first year, either falling off a nobbin or being kicked by one. It was an accepted risk. But there is a hell of a difference between approaching a jump or a corner and preparing yourself for either and having some mad woman suddenly jump in front of your horse. The former two you are ready for, the latter is totally unexpected. I honestly cannot see how 'Glorious' Emily took a CALCULATED!!! risk in her action of that day. As far as a worthy cause goes. Any politician with an ounce of common sense could have - or should have - seen the importance of giving women the vote. It has never failed to baffle me why they didn't just give them it. I am not anti-suffragette, as I think a lot of people think. I actually did a paper on this for my OU and came down on their side - except where EWD was concerned. I read that assignment paper the other week and my views then were the same as now. Her action was totally irresponsible and life threatening. There were so many women achieving things, without militancy, throughout the world and I still say EWD could have found a better way. As I said elsewhere, why didn't the suffragettes get a huge banner and walk down the course, before the start of the race. That way they would have got media attention - via TV - and the king and queen would have taken notice. It was a stupid, mindless act yet she has become a martyr and the world only sees her in a shining golden light. As Keith said, let someone try that today and see what the response would be.

You all know my feelings on this subject; I said at the ouset that Emily Davison was mad to even attempt to pin a scarf or banner on the king's horse. I watched the documentary on IPlayer and Now I believe she DIDN'T intend suicide. BUT; such an action could only lead to serious injury at least - not just to EWD but the jockey and horse as well. (Not to mention all the other riders who just missed her!) You all seem to be skirting round that fact. EWD could have killed that jockey - leaving his family to cope for themselves. Why you choose to ignore this is beyond me. You also seem to be ignoring the fact that the sufragettes waged a campaign of terror beforehand. (Mentioned in the documentary) Keith is correct in saying it was ludicrous to attempt to pin a 'statement' onto a galloping horse. Seriously. What kind of sane person would even try such a thing? She made a brilliant statement by locking herself in the House of [Commons?]. Now that was clever! Not only that it didn't involve risking anybody's life. But let's stay focused on what she did - stepping in front of a galloping horse. REALLY!!

I also remember Frog's Spawn was a nickname for tapioca!!

WHAT'S THE CONNECTION - EASY PEASY

Happy Birthday Adam. Have a good one.

Sheer genius, Eggy. Good ones.

So now you suggest we boycott cricketers from Yorkshire!!! (Referee-umpire!!!)