Some things I agree with in this debate others I think are too simplistic. Fear of Europe on the basis of what was a dangerous ideal based on the viewpoint of a megalomaniac is not the whole story. Living in Germany 39/45 people survived in a 'vote for me or I will klll' you environment. That does not make everyone bad. Power makes people view things from a different perspective. Ie The politician who makes the case for cleaning up the river then finds people loose jobs because the factory closes. Immigration may have got out of hand but that is because we live on a small island and some people have the idea that life here is easy. The EU may not be perfect but we need to fight our corner not moan about everything. UKIP may have the answer but I have yet to be convinced. I personally have never voted just because it was what was expected of me. I like Tony Benn because he was true to his ideals. If he had compromised, he could have achieved higher office. In Parliament the Whips Office forces people to agree with the hierarchy. Tony Benn was not a 'push over' he often spoke out of turn and finally left politics to become more involved with politics.